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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Biggest potential crime in US history, eh? Bigger than any of these:
bigger crime than slavery?
bigger crime than the tea dome scandal?
bigger crime than Tammany Hall?
bigger criminal than Al Capone?
bigger crime-ridden than the Corleone family?
bigger crime than the Oklahoma Federal building bombing?
bigger crime than the perpetrators of 9/11?
This Obama must be stopped at all costs. Call the caped crusader, only he can rid the country of this scourge
Slavery, how ever repulsive, was not against the laws at the time. Ergo, slavery was not a crime.
And yes, this fraud is worse than all of the others!!!! You can not put dollar figures on freedom!

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Although some vetting took place in summer 2008 after Barrack Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth,” most media outlets and online bloggers failed to explore the unique aspects and varieties of Hawaiian “birth certificates.”
THE ELIGIBILITY ISSUE
1. What are the various ways that a candidate’s eligibility as natural-born American citizen can be determined for purposes of Art. II,§ 1,¶ 5 of the [original] United States Constitution?
2. Is there any provision of the United States Constitution, any statute, any controlling appellate court holding, any tradition, or any legal precedent to require a candidate for President of the United States of America to proffer a state-issued birth document?
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But according to Hawaiian law there must be remarks in the remarks section of that happens. And every time their is a revision there have to be more remarks!
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Well Tootsie, It is in the Hawaiian laws and since you have never answered any question from anyone, you need to look it up yourself!
"You need to look it up yourself" has become your mantra, Rogue. This is the third of fourth time in but a few days (and how often have you given me that answer?) that you advance something and can't back it up. Telling your questioner to find it himself or herself, and in view that it does not exist, is childish, is school yard bullying, therefore brawny but not brainy. Give your opinion when it is just that, an opinion, but don't state something that appears to be fact if you cannot back it up. I repeat, that is puerile, and not worthy of a man your age and of your experience.

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She is employed by Obama right now and has plenty of reason to LIE!
Really, she did poor research and is STILL EMPLOYED BY Obama??
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Obama provided the information for his bio stating that he was born in Kenya.
Obama agreed with the information contained in his bio, or it would not have been used if it contained factual errors in it, and it would not have taken 16 years for it to be discovered and corrected if it was wrong, except that at the time it was changed, it was necessary for Obama to be born in the US to accommodate his pResidential aspirations.
Is this the VERY BEST evidence that Obama is not a natural-born American citizen?
IF NOT -- in YOUR opinion, what is the single VERY BEST "fact" or piece of "evidence" that proves Obama is not a natural-born American citizen? Thank you.
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Slavery, how ever repulsive, was not against the laws at the time. Ergo, slavery was not a crime.
And yes, this fraud is worse than all of the others!!!! You can not put dollar figures on freedom!
Slavery may not have been legally wrong, but it was morally wrong, abhorrent even, and at that time had been abolished in most developed countries. And in the northern states, no? Was that not what the civil war was about? Legality of slavery?

What do you mean by freedom? Has Obama made you less free?

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Did this woman commit FRAUD?
A woman who was given a $2.1million tax refund after filing a false claim went on a massive spending spree until she was caught.
Yes she did!
According to the probable cause statement, Reyes spent $13,000 in Marion County over two days in February,$26,000 in March and more than $35,000 in April.
The statement says the fraud was discovered May 7 by the issuer of the debit card after Reyes reported a 'second card' as lost or stolen.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21572...
Now will they charge her with violating Federal Statutes, State Statutes, or both?
Since it was a fraud committed against the Federal Government, I think she will be charged Federally.
What do you say?
Taking your statement of facts as accurate, she will be charged with criminal violation(s) of Title 26. In Title 26 matters the Feds always have precedence over the state authorities.
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1. YES or NO? Has the Sheriff of Maricopa County (AZ) determined there is probable cause that Barack HUSSEIN Obama has committed a crime?
2. If so, what is the specific criminal statute (federal or state?) that the Sheriff of Maricopa County (AZ) has determined that Obama has violated? Please cite the specific statute.
3. If so, what is the specific criminal act(s) and where and on what date was the specific criminal act(s) committed?
4. What is the basis for the Sheriff of Maricopa County’s jurisdiction to investigate a matter related to a federal election?

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I have already provided the data.
July 2009:-2.1%
July 2010: 1.2%
July 2011: 3.6%
Apr. 2012: 2.3%
In no month of the current administration has the inflation rate been 4% or higher. IN NO MONTH.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflatio...
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So I must ask again for the monthly inflation rates you used to extrapolate the inflation-adjusted DJIA.
Well Tootsie, I don't use the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data as it does not include medical, fuel or food. When you include those, the First Quarter 2012 annual inflation rate is over 4%.
Just like the "official" unemployment rate is just 8.2% but when you include the disenfranchised unemployed it is 10.9% and if you also include those who work part time but would like to work full time it is about 18%.
Oh, my older sister has been cut back to 33 hours per week and since anything at or above 32 hours is considered full time, according to BLS, she is FULL TIME EMPLOYED!!! And that is also how the company she works for keeps Obama happy!!!
Tell me Tootsie which is greater, 8.2% or 18%?

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How do you think the Supremes will rule on their ObamaCare decision? After all, you claim to be educated in law so that should be really easy for you?
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No more easy for me than for you.
The Court will decide the cases based on the law as applied to the facts as determined by the lower courts.
Ah, you mean they do NOT consider our Constitution?

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Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a NET BENEFIT of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Anyone who does not support the inalienable right of any human being to cross any border (whether from Michigan to Ohio or the United States to Canada without restraint cannot claim to support the most basic principles of the FREE MARKET ECONOMIC SYSTEM. Most of those who do not support the basic principles of the free market economic system are socialists and pinko commies.
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(from Terri Tanna's highly acclaimed and widely reprinted statement of "American Conservative Principles):
In ECONOMICS Conservatives believe that the free market best allocates scarce resources. The free market is an economy where supply and demand regulate the economy (rather than government intervention). The universally accepted working definition of the free market economy is one in which there is full and free mobility of (1) Capital,(2) Labor,(3) Goods and Services, and (4) Investment.
• In the free market there is no government (or other central) support of (or control
over) prices, wages, or levels of production.
• To achieve full and free mobility the free market has no institutional barriers to
affect prices or levels of production.
• In the free market there is no government (or other central) support of (or control
over) prices, wages, or levels of production such as in agriculture.
• To achieve full and free mobility the free market has no institutional barriers to
affect prices or levels of production, e.g., unions and trade organizations (Teamsters and AMA) or other distortions such as monopolies or oligopolies.
• The free market encourages free trade; it does not have tariffs or other barriers to
trade; the Conservative endorses and supports the economic “law of Comparative Advantage” and its consequences in order to maximize the delivery of goods and services to all.
• The free market does not have barriers or governmental regulation to
restrict the full and free mobility of labor across national borders according to the law of supply and demand.
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This highly regarded statement has been posted numerous times on Topix. Not one "birther" has ever taken exception to any of its timeless Natural Law principles.

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1.5.21.2 Documents Acceptable for Proof of Citizenship
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NOTE: Use for NAVSHIPYD Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
Controlled Industrial Area (CIA) projects.
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a. Birth registration card
b. Certificate of live birth, birth certificate
c. Certificate of Naturalization
d. Certificate of registration
e. DD-214 (Must Cite Birthplace)
f. DD Form 4 (Contract for Enlistment and Must Cite Birthplace)
g. DD 1966 (Application for Enlistment)
h. Military discharge papers (must cite birthplace)
i. Delayed birth certificate
j. Hawaii certificate of foreign birth
k. Hospital birth certificate
l. Marriage license certificate
m. Merchant marine certificate
n. Military officer ID card
o. Notification of birth registration
SECTION 01 14 00 Page 29
p. State of Hawaii ID card
q. USA passport
r. Verbal inquiry with State of Hawaii Vital Statistics Office
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POST.
Now please provide the the various ways that a candidate’s eligibility as natural-born American citizen can be determined for purposes of Art. II,§ 1,¶ 5 of the [original] United States Constitution. Thank you.

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Hmmmm, America's biological weapons program started in 1943 by a Democrat president and in 1969 cancelled by a Republican president. Hmmmmm, but is there a current Bio-Weapon program? How recent is "Recent"? Before or AFTER Bush left office?
From Wiki;
In 1969, President Richard Nixon ended all offensive (i.e., non-defensive) aspects of the U.S. bio-weapons program. In 1975 the U.S. ratified both the 1925 Geneva Protocol and the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC)— these are international treaties outlawing biological warfare. Recent U.S. biodefense programs, however, have raised concerns that the U.S. may be pursuing research that is outlawed by the BWC.
In 1907 The Hague convention sought to ban the use of biological weapons. Teddy Roosevelt, a republican, declined to join. Between 1941 and 1969 there were presidents from BOTH parties in office, so it's kind of hard to point at the Democrats and say "they're responsible".

I can't believe that you cite Wiki as a source!!! I'll double check your stats with some reputable sources.

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I believe he’s referring to Andrew Thomas.
A judge has ruled that the remaining lawsuits against Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and ex-county Attorney Andrew Thomas and their deputies will go to trial between May and December of 2013.
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/06/04/tri...
Thank you. The original statement by "just-sayin'" was that the lawyers were disbarred simply BECAUSE they worked for the ol' sheriff, not because they violated the most fundamental and sacred ethical principles of the legal profession (which was the true basis for disbarrment).

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Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.
This fantasy theory was repudiated with prejudice in Kerchner v. Obama (2010). Can't be raised ever again -- res judicata.

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Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.
The Class seems to recall that you got some kind of two-week certificate in criminal justice at your local juco instead of going to college. Didn't they teach you anything about Jurisprudence and The Law?

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Arpaio:'Probable cause' Obama certificate a fraud
Joe Arpaio of Arizona’s Maricopa County – has concluded there is probable cause that the document released by the White House last year as President Obama’s birth certificate is a computer-generated forgery.
Don't laugh at your own ignorance.
MARICOPA COUNTY’S SHERIFF
1. YES or NO? Has the Sheriff of Maricopa County (AZ) determined there is probable cause that Barack HUSSEIN Obama has committed a CRIME?
2. Should the Sheriff of Maricopa County (AZ) be prosecuted for dereliction of duty (misconduct or malfeasance in office) for her or his failure to follow through with a prosecution upon his determination that there is probable cause a CRIME was committed?

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Slavery may not have been legally wrong, but it was morally wrong, abhorrent even, and at that time had been abolished in most developed countries. And in the northern states, no? Was that not what the civil war was about? Legality of slavery?
What do you mean by freedom? Has Obama made you less free?
Actually it was the economics of slavery, but that's not the issue. No one has lost any freedoms under Obama's administration and the response you get will be evasive at least and actual prevarications in all probability

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Obama didn’t release an authentic Hawaii DOH issued document!
No Obama long form birth certificate released contains a raised visible embossed seal of authentication.
Ann Dunham’s signature on Obama’s fraudulent long form birth certificate is in two separate layers, even though it was allegedly created as a part of a single scan that would only create a single layer document.
Is there any provision of the United States Constitution, any statute, any controlling appellate court holding, any tradition, OR any legal precedent to require or even suggest a candidate for President of the United States of America to proffer a state-issued birth document?

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Additionally, the “Certification of Live Birth” is not recognized by many Federal agencies.
CORRECT -- excellent post.
Nor is there any provision of the United States Constitution, any statute, any controlling appellate court holding, any tradition, OR any legal precedent to require (or even suggest) a candidate for President of the United States of America to proffer a state-issued birth document?
Do you dispute that statement?

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Sorry, BirfoonLady, but the Framers were not born in the United States of America. They could not be natural born citizens according to the jus soli principle.
You forget the "birthers" have a retrospective view: Virginia and Massachusetts were part of the United States of America even before the Declaration of Independence.

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Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.
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Is this the VERY BEST evidence that Obama is not a natural-born American citizen?
IF NOT -- in YOUR opinion, what is the single VERY BEST "fact" or piece of "evidence" that proves Obama is not a natural-born American citizen? Thank you.

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