BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 20 comments on the Jan 8, 2009, Chicago Tribune story titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Jacques Ottawa

Thornhill, Canada

#84626 Jun 12, 2012
nebka wrote:
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What about
The assassination of the Kennedy Brothers
MLK
Watergate
Iran–Contra affair
Operation 40
Wedtech scandal
Inslaw Affair
Plame affair
Lawyergate
Bush White House e-mail controversy
All of the above, and add 9/11, they are nothnig compared to criminal Obama.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84627 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Uh huh.....[SIC] and YOU just don't KNOW how to RESEARCH....
....[SIC] AND/OR "comprehend".....[SI C}
OR you would be calling him ineligible TOO!.....[SIC];-)
Or how to punctuate at the third grade level.
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What is your preferred source for legal research? Corpus Juris Secundum or perhaps a Decennial Digest or Fed. Supp. or Lexis-Nexis or a specific internet site?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84628 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
The 14th Amendment DID that!.....;-)
The question is: Was slavery illegal in 1795 in the United States of America?
YES or NO?
Very simple.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84629 Jun 12, 2012
But we have seen that United States Supreme Court case law, the early 1790 and 1795 Naturalization Acts, legislative history of the Civil Rights Act of the 1866, and the Fourteenth Amendment all conclusively show that Vattel was understood to say that both parents had to be citizens in order for a child to be a “natural born Citizen.” The Founders, our Supreme Court, Congress, and framers of the Fourteenth Amendment all adopted Vattel’s
Law of Nations definition and two-parent requirement and made it part of Article II, United States citizenship federal common law, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and the Fourteenth Amendment,
respectively.
Obama is missing one of the two necessary natural conditions needed to make one a “natural born Citizen.”
He would satisfy the birth-in-the-country
requirement. But he would be missing the two-U.S.-citizen-parent requirement to be an Article II “natural born Citizen.” Obama would be missing unity of citizenship and allegiance at birth which is necessary to be a “natural born Citizen.”
One who meets the definition of a “natural born Citizen” is considered to have been born with sole and absolute allegiance to the United States and not owing allegiance by birth to any foreign state.
.....Obama is not and cannot be an Article II “natural born Citizen” because of his father's and his birth allegiance to Great Britain. That his mother was a United States citizen does not in any way alter that reality bestowed upon Obama by nature at the moment of his birth. Obama still acquired a complete and natural allegiance to Great Britain at the time of his birth. In other words, at birth he was as much a British subject/citizen as he was an American citizen, assuming he was born in Hawaii. His mother’s United States citizenship did not and could not change that..... The purpose of Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause is to exclude foreign influence from the Office of President and Commander in Chief. It
“cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments ...”
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:Sec 1472-73 (1833). Remember that Vattel said that if a child is born on a nation's soil to a non-citizen father(meaning parents), that place "will be only the place of his birth, and not his country." Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause looks only to the moment of birth and not thereafter. This interpretation is consistent with Jay’s underlining the word “born” in his 1787 letter to General(later President)Washington.
In other words, to meet that special Presidential eligibility requirement,one must be born a “natural born Citizen” and cannot acquire that status later in life. Under the British Nationality Act 1948, when Obama was born in 1961 his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was a British subject/citizen by descent from his father....... Obama Cannot be President and Military Commander. It is inescapable that Obama is not and cannot be an Article II “natural born Citizen” and is therefore not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.......Like a naturalized citizen who is not a “natural born Citizen” and therefore not eligible to be President, the Framers and Founders were born subject to a foreign power as was Obama.
Being born subject to a foreign power, both the original Founders and Obama qualify as “citizens of the United States” but not as “natural born Citizens.” But the difference between Obama and the original Founders is that Obama cannot take advantage of Article II’s grandfather clause to make him eligible to be President. Obama is therefore not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/53024295/NATURAL-Bo...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84630 Jun 12, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
What drivel. Do you think anyone in his/her right mind would read the above?
Apart from toilet/gutter language, when do you intend producing anything of your own?
WHY should I, WHEN iT is ALL said SO WELL here?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/53024295/NATURAL-Bo...

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84631 Jun 12, 2012
PATRIOT wrote:
The US Constitution is an impediment to his socialist agenda.
The question being answered was: Will the U.S. Supreme Court consider the Constitution in ruling on so-called Obamacare?
I answered the Court will apply The Law to the facts.
rouge rube didn't realize the Constitution is Law.
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Isn't that the purpose of the Constitution?
BTW, by amendment (or even by just voting for certain representatives) can "We the People" adopt the socialist agenda?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84632 Jun 12, 2012
It is ALL said SO easily
by SAYING
Two US citizen parents
MAKE
A "natural born" citizen....

B
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YOU

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Won't listen to REASON

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;0)

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84634 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
The Constitution Article I, Section 9 cites the Law of Nations which was a book by Emmerich de Vattel and a natural law legal theory that outlined natural law between nations -
“To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the Law of Nations;”
(Law of Nations is Capitalized in the original text of the U.S. Constitution.)
The Law of Nations or the
Principles of Natural Law Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations
by Emmerich de Vattel a renowned 18th century law expert, defines Natural Born Citizen .....[SIC] are those born in the country of citizen parents.
Both the Framers and later English translators of Vattel's treatise used the words "natural born
citizen" instead of "natives or indigenes”
Thus, proving conclusively that neither slavery nor abortion has ever been legal in the United States.
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(Of course, only those who are illiterate think the term of art "Law of Nations" in Art. II,§ 8,¶ 10 of the United States Constitution is the title of a book.)

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84635 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Even if Obama was born in Hawaii with an American citizen mother, Obama is naturally not a Natural Born Citizen, because he was born with his father’s allegiance to another country other than the United States.Obama’s father was a British citizen and was a resident of Kenya when he was born. Natural born requires sole allegiance at birth to the United State s [SIC] and it requires no written law because it is what comes natural - the child’s citizenship comes from parents and place and there is no question to what country that child belongs to, or to what country would have the child’s allegiance.
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT THEORY.
Sadly, the legal body created by our Founders and Framers to decide these matters REJECTED with prejudice (res judicata) this fantasy reading in Kerchner v. Obama (2010).

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84636 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
The Founders, our Supreme Court, Congress, and framers of the Fourteenth Amendment all adopted Vattel’s
Law of Nations definition and two-parent requirement and made it part of Article II, United States citizenship federal common law, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and the Fourteenth Amendment,
respectively.
EXACTLY.
That is why both slavery and abortion both have ALWAYS been illegal in the United States.
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Speaking of de Vattel and Natural Law:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, THAT AMONG THESE are (1) Life,(2) Liberty and the (3) pursuit of Happiness.”
• What are the other “unalienable” rights that all men are endowed with by their Creator?
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For example, is there an "unalienable" right to a college education?
Or free public housing?
Or single-payer medical care?
OR to live free from living next to those who are so stupid they couldn't go to college?
Please give the Class the list of ALL the other "unalienable" rights AMONG which are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Thank you.
Jacques Ottawa

Thornhill, Canada

#84637 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
It is ALL said SO easily
by SAYING
Two US citizen parents
MAKE
A "natural born" citizen....
B
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YOU
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Won't listen to REASON
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;0)
Yes, the dweebs, the US Supreme Court, both Houses of Congress, 132 tribunals and the likes, John Mc©ain, Mitt Romney, ALL foreign states (by accepting the US Ambassador as plenipotentiary, with letters of credence signed by the one and only legitimate US President)they accept the legitimacy of the US head of state, to wit, the President). Who refuses to accept President Obama? Chuck Norris, Rush Limbaugh, Donald the "laundering front" Trump, Newt Gingrich, Sheriff Ha ha Joe Arpaio and his ho ho, OMG, cold case posse, American er hmm Lady, Rogue, Rush, just sayin' GB., Marcus and a bunch of birthers scattered here and there, oh, how they suck.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84638 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
It is ALL said SO easily
by SAYING
Two US citizen parents
MAKE
A "natural born" citizen....
B
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the United States Supreme Court ruled otherwise in Kerchner v. Obama (2010).
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American Lady

Danville, KY

#84639 Jun 12, 2012
Ta ta....;-)
***wits........

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84640 Jun 12, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
A movie with a real conservative BLACK actor in the lead. Won't be out until November second!!! I wonder if it is meant to impact the election?
NO -- not at all.
Just as Romney's TV ads are not meant to impact [SIC] the election.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84641 Jun 12, 2012
Bravery is WHAT separates the
Patriots from the DWEEBS.....;-0

I'm a PATRIOT!

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84642 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
On January 18th, 2011, Governor Neil Abercrombie announced that while his
investigations (which, it was later revealed, included a warrant issued by his office), had
located a notation hand written into the state archives in 1961, no originating document
for President Obama could be located, and while President Obama’s name is present on
an archive index for registered births,
no evidence of the type of birth documentation, nor
where he was born, is actually present.
WHO CARES ABOUT THIS IN LIGHT OF
#84,506
American Lady wrote:
1)Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84643 Jun 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
‘All persons born in the United States and
>>>>> not subject to any foreign power <<<<<<
(BORN a BRIT thru fathers Kenyan citizenship)
Tell the Class again where you got your criminal justice certificate and studied Constitutional Law and statutory construction all in two weeks.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84644 Jun 12, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, they did NOT quit the union, just stopped paying dues? Riiggghhhhtttttt
Stop paying you home loan and see what happens!
No analogy -- the homeowner still owes the money.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84646 Jun 12, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep starting yesterday afternoon I started to get cramps in my left foot. I had had a pedicure that morning. Does my foot cramps have anything to do with the pedicure? Probably not. Oh, my foot is doing better this morning.
WOW.
This is the first time that rouge rube has acknowledged that his customary form of rhetoric (correlation must equal cause and effect) is wrong.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#84647 Jun 12, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw the affidavit Tim Adams signed stating that there was no birth certificate on file in Hawaii for Obama but then I also saw a you tube interview where he said Obama was born in Hawaii.
Is there any provision of the United States Constitution, any statute, any controlling appellate court holding, any tradition, OR any legal precedent to require (or even suggest) a candidate for President of the United States of America to proffer a state-issued birth document?

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