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Winterbiker

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#447
Mar 26, 2008
 
Mock26 wrote:
<quoted text> There was a recent incident less than two weeks ago when a cyclist, while participating in an unsanctioned and thus illegal bike race ran a red light at Irving Park/Damen/Lincoln and he was killed by an automobile. There is a case where an actual cyclist caused a fatal crash. If he had stopped at the light as required by the law he would be alive today. Sure, he probably would have lost the race, but he would still be alive. It is his fault and no one else's that he is dead.
Mock-
Sorry I wasn't clearer, but my original point was that cyclists rarely (if ever)kill anyone but themselves. As to the incident you describe, I agree that the biker clearly broke the law. This, and (I believe) local anti-bike sentiment (so clearly expressed in this blog)explains why the SUV driver was not ticketed.
The operator of a motor vehicle, however, has a clear duty to watch for, see, and avoid even unexpected hazards. This duty springs from the fact that motor vehicles can (and often do) kill those in their path. Motor vehicle operators must be licensed precisely because of this danger that vehicles present to others.
The green light, in this case, did not grant the SUV permission to mow down anyone slow or dumb enough to be in the intersection. The driver of the SUV in this case clearly failed in his/her duty to "see and avoid." If a pedestrian had been hit, the driver would almost certainly have been ticketed for this.
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Mar 26, 2008
 
Winterbiker wrote:
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Mock-
Sorry I wasn't clearer, but my original point was that cyclists rarely (if ever)kill anyone but themselves. As to the incident you describe, I agree that the biker clearly broke the law. This, and (I believe) local anti-bike sentiment (so clearly expressed in this blog)explains why the SUV driver was not ticketed.
The operator of a motor vehicle, however, has a clear duty to watch for, see, and avoid even unexpected hazards. This duty springs from the fact that motor vehicles can (and often do) kill those in their path. Motor vehicle operators must be licensed precisely because of this danger that vehicles present to others.
The green light, in this case, did not grant the SUV permission to mow down anyone slow or dumb enough to be in the intersection. The driver of the SUV in this case clearly failed in his/her duty to "see and avoid." If a pedestrian had been hit, the driver would almost certainly have been ticketed for this.
Nice spin. Maybe the driver did not see the cyclist. What do you do in that case? The biker clearly broke the law. Whose at fault? I would sue the family of the biker for messing up my SUV!!! Obviously to you, a motorist is at fault no matter the circumstances. God forbid bikers actually take responsibility for anything!! You are clearly unreasonable and irrational.
David

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May 8, 2009
 
all bicyclists using the public roads should have a license plate, registration, and "car" insurance.
cops should be able to write tickets to those that are braking the law so far they don't have any way to enforce anything on the bicyclists.
now the technical problem:
when driving a car just before turning or changing a lane I look in to the mirrors and if I see the car behind me I can predict it will remain in the same position/distance/direction for next 5 to 10 seconds. I turn my blinker on on and change the lane/turn. it is really hard to predict any bicyclist movement since they are jumping from sidewalks on the street as please, change lanes without signaling and when everyone else is slowing down they usually don't.
and on top of everything else. MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO WATCH WHAT IS AT THE FRONT OF ME!!!!!!!!!
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May 8, 2009
 
bicycles don't stop when they see children or a mother with a stroller crossing the street.
I have noticed that many times.
I was almost hit by one as a pedestrian crossing a on a "WALK" signal. He missed me by maybe 6 inches going down hill on Chicago and Larrabee. And of course he called me an asshole. go figure :)
and one more thing.
I was driving on Ashland by Division and the guy grabbed onto a passing car side trim to get a free ride. No helmet at what looked like 30 miles an hour ...
o.k.
one more thing, have notice piles of bicycles park at dive bars. Those kids ride them drunk after 2a.m. just an observation
Winterbiker

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May 11, 2009
 
David wrote:
all bicyclists using the public roads should have a license plate, registration, and "car" insurance.
cops should be able to write tickets to those that are braking the law so far they don't have any way to enforce anything on the bicyclists....
now the technical problem:
when driving a car just before turning or changing a lane I look in to the mirrors and if I see the car behind me I can predict it will remain in the same position/distance/direction for next 5 to 10 seconds. I turn my blinker on on and change the lane/turn. it is really hard to predict any bicyclist movement since they are jumping from sidewalks on the street as please, change lanes without signaling and when everyone else is slowing down they usually don't.
and on top of everything else. MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO WATCH WHAT IS AT THE FRONT OF ME!!!!!!!!!
One group of cyclists IS required to be licensed and insured -- bike messengers.
Police already can, and do, ticket cyclists. No license required.
If your "technical problem" is so tough, maybe you should slow down, or drive less.

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