Woman Dies After Planned Parenthood Botched Her Abortion, Congress to Investigate

Jul 28, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Townhall

The negligence of Planned Parenthood appears to be a contributing factor in the tragic death of 24 year old Tonya Reaves.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#256 Aug 18, 2012
Sanger spoke anywhere she could to get the word out.

Nixon spoke in china--did that make him a socialist?
downhill246 wrote:
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Sanger who was a featured speaker at a KKK rally was a promoter of eugenics which is now considered the epitome of racism. Apparently her message was well received by the KKK because in her own words,
" A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered."

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#257 Aug 18, 2012
Sanger didn't found PP on her own; it evolved from her own organization and incorporated other people along the way. It had a board and they made many changes along the way. After her death, the board decided to provide abortions.

None of this is top-secret, your-eyes-only government data. You could have found this crap out if you took any time at all to research. How fu**ing atrophied is your tiny mind?
downhill246 wrote:
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You didn't answer my question. If the founder of Planned Parenthood was so anti abortion why is the organization she created the largest provider of abortion services in the nation?
As far as issues, I also have issues with slavery. Would your argument be if you don;t like slavery ,don't own one?

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#258 Aug 18, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
Actually, they aren't. In emergency situations, medical personnel can treat a minor without the parents' permission.
Let's say a child develops a large, non-malignant tumor on her back and goes to a hospital because it is causing her distress. Her parents refuse to treat it because they are christian scientists. Should the girl suffer until adulthood with this disfiguring but non-lethal problem?
<quoted text>
I love watching you make a fool of yourself.

"Actually, they aren't. In emergency situations, medical personnel can treat a minor without the parents' permission."

You are talking about a life or death situation, cardiac arrest or severe trauma for example. In those situations concent is implied because of the imminent threat of death if not treated. Abortion, on the other hand, is almost always an elective procedure. What other elective medical procedure is a minor allowed to concent to?

"Let's say a child develops a large, non-malignant tumor on her back and goes to a hospital because it is causing her distress."

They wouldn't be treated without concent.

"Her parents refuse to treat it because they are christian scientists. Should the girl suffer until adulthood with this disfiguring but non-lethal problem?"

They have that right. If the doctors disagree then there are legal steps that must be taken to treat that child.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#259 Aug 19, 2012
Ink wrote:
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That's the only way it works.
Nonsense. But we expect that from you, Witless.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#260 Aug 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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So if she was totally against abortion why is the organization she founded now an abortion mill? That is equivalent to modern Disney World becoming anti-Mickey Mouse.
It's not an "abortion mill". Only approximately half of them even perform abortions, actually.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#261 Aug 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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You didn't answer my question. If the founder of Planned Parenthood was so anti abortion why is the organization she created the largest provider of abortion services in the nation?
As far as issues, I also have issues with slavery. Would your argument be if you don;t like slavery ,don't own one?
Slavey is illegal. And the very same parts of the Constitution that make it illegal to own somone's body, ALSO make it illegal to own a woman's uterus.

As far as PP, they are only the largest provider, because they are the largest women's healthcare organization. They other clinics that provide abortions are separate.

As for why? What difference does it make? It is a fact that Sanger was against abortion. Healthcare is no more unchanging than any other human enterprise.

“Blessed Be”

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#262 Aug 19, 2012
Susanm wrote:
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I love watching you make a fool of yourself.
"Actually, they aren't. In emergency situations, medical personnel can treat a minor without the parents' permission."
You are talking about a life or death situation, cardiac arrest or severe trauma for example. In those situations concent is implied because of the imminent threat of death if not treated. Abortion, on the other hand, is almost always an elective procedure. What other elective medical procedure is a minor allowed to concent to?
"Let's say a child develops a large, non-malignant tumor on her back and goes to a hospital because it is causing her distress."
They wouldn't be treated without concent.
"Her parents refuse to treat it because they are christian scientists. Should the girl suffer until adulthood with this disfiguring but non-lethal problem?"
They have that right. If the doctors disagree then there are legal steps that must be taken to treat that child.
So, do you believe that parents should be allowed to force a girl to continue her pregnancy?

How about force her to have an abortion?
Ocean56

AOL

#263 Aug 19, 2012
Bitner wrote:
So, do you believe that parents should be allowed to force a girl to continue her pregnancy?
How about force her to have an abortion?
I believe parents CAN force a girl to continue her pregnancy, even if the girl doesn't want to stay pregnant, just by threatening to kick her out of the house if she has an abortion.

That's why I think staying sex-FREE (meaning free FROM sex) is the best way for girls to make sure they never get pregnant during their middle and high school years. Getting a high school diploma is much easier when girls don't have to care for a baby on top of everything else. And they can go on to college or vocational training after graduating from high school with NO restrictions on their time or freedom.
Ocean56

AOL

#264 Aug 19, 2012
Girls who want to avoid getting pregnant in the first place need to THINK SEX THROUGH. They need to think past the moment before being IN the moment. Such as:

- Think about how you'll feel losing your virginity.
- Think about missing your period.
- Think about having to tell your parents that YOU ARE PREGNANT.
- Think about having to give away a baby so you can go on with your plans.
- Think about giving birth.
- Think about having an abortion
- Think about putting your plans on hold, maybe forever.
- Think about how much it will cost to raise a baby to adulthood ($100,000 or more)
- Think about what you'll be giving up (all your FREEDOM)
- Think about colic (anywhere from 1 to 6 months of it)
- Think about trading in your cute teenage outfits for dumpy maternity clothes
- Think about painful, drippy breasts
- Think about a child with a disability
- Think about changing lots of stinky diapers, day AND night.
- Think about losing lots of sleep
- Think about "What if he leaves me."
- Think about getting a HUGE belly and gaining a lot of weight
- Think about morning sickness, anywhere from 1 to possibly 6 months of it
- Think about suffering through painful hours (possibly days) of labor
- Think about getting almost no sleep at night after bringing the baby home
- Think about a baby possibly vomiting all over you (that happened to me more than once when DS was an infant)
- Think about listening to a crying, screaming baby instead of being out having fun with your friends
- Think about missing out on prom, graduation, college and dream career
- Think about the next 18 years of GIVING THINGS UP

The more girls THINK about the very real hardships of motherhood before having sex in the first place, they might be far LESS likely to take the risk of having sex and possibly ending up pregnant.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#265 Aug 19, 2012
I merely pointed out that there are situations in which minors can get treatment without parental consent.

Funny thing abhout parental rights; they are a convention but not listed anywhere in the constitution. On the other hand, we do have the right o be safe in you own person, and a teen pregnancy is anything but safe. Whereas it may not be immediately life or death, there is a time constraint involved and a matter of safety--the sooner, the safer.

What are the medical and social advantages of forcing a minor to carry to term against her will? And do you really think that, if you deny her a medical abortion, she won't look for an alternative solution?
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
I love watching you make a fool of yourself.
"Actually, they aren't. In emergency situations, medical personnel can treat a minor without the parents' permission."
You are talking about a life or death situation, cardiac arrest or severe trauma for example. In those situations concent is implied because of the imminent threat of death if not treated. Abortion, on the other hand, is almost always an elective procedure. What other elective medical procedure is a minor allowed to concent to?
"Let's say a child develops a large, non-malignant tumor on her back and goes to a hospital because it is causing her distress."
They wouldn't be treated without concent.
"Her parents refuse to treat it because they are christian scientists. Should the girl suffer until adulthood with this disfiguring but non-lethal problem?"
They have that right. If the doctors disagree then there are legal steps that must be taken to treat that child.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#266 Aug 19, 2012
If parents throw a minor out on the streets, they are committing a crime. If it happens for any reason, the child should go directly to the police and report them.
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe parents CAN force a girl to continue her pregnancy, even if the girl doesn't want to stay pregnant, just by threatening to kick her out of the house if she has an abortion.
That's why I think staying sex-FREE (meaning free FROM sex) is the best way for girls to make sure they never get pregnant during their middle and high school years. Getting a high school diploma is much easier when girls don't have to care for a baby on top of everything else. And they can go on to college or vocational training after graduating from high school with NO restrictions on their time or freedom.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#267 Aug 19, 2012
A lot of girls are raised with a romanticized view of motherhood. There is also the disturbing fact that some girls deliberately have babies to feel a sense of unconditional love.
Ocean56 wrote:
Girls who want to avoid getting pregnant in the first place need to THINK SEX THROUGH. They need to think past the moment before being IN the moment. Such as:
- Think about how you'll feel losing your virginity.
- Think about missing your period.
- Think about having to tell your parents that YOU ARE PREGNANT.
- Think about having to give away a baby so you can go on with your plans.
- Think about giving birth.
- Think about having an abortion
- Think about putting your plans on hold, maybe forever.
- Think about how much it will cost to raise a baby to adulthood ($100,000 or more)
- Think about what you'll be giving up (all your FREEDOM)
- Think about colic (anywhere from 1 to 6 months of it)
- Think about trading in your cute teenage outfits for dumpy maternity clothes
- Think about painful, drippy breasts
- Think about a child with a disability
- Think about changing lots of stinky diapers, day AND night.
- Think about losing lots of sleep
- Think about "What if he leaves me."
- Think about getting a HUGE belly and gaining a lot of weight
- Think about morning sickness, anywhere from 1 to possibly 6 months of it
- Think about suffering through painful hours (possibly days) of labor
- Think about getting almost no sleep at night after bringing the baby home
- Think about a baby possibly vomiting all over you (that happened to me more than once when DS was an infant)
- Think about listening to a crying, screaming baby instead of being out having fun with your friends
- Think about missing out on prom, graduation, college and dream career
- Think about the next 18 years of GIVING THINGS UP
The more girls THINK about the very real hardships of motherhood before having sex in the first place, they might be far LESS likely to take the risk of having sex and possibly ending up pregnant.
Ink

Morrisville, PA

#268 Aug 19, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Nonsense. But we expect that from you, Witless.
Why do you think you and pp don't ever use the word baby. Fetus is less familial.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#269 Aug 19, 2012
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think you and pp don't ever use the word baby. Fetus is less familial.
No, it's precise. "Baby" is a term of endearment.

Me and PP? LOL, there's that arrogance again.
Tester

Germany

#270 Aug 19, 2012
Testie test test test
Ink

Morrisville, PA

#271 Aug 19, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's precise. "Baby" is a term of endearment.
Me and PP? LOL, there's that arrogance again.
That's exactly right. We use the term of endearment, baby for a child we want to love and protect. We use fetus for a baby we might be inclined to kill.
Independent

Aurora, IL

#272 Aug 19, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
Unlike getting your ear pierced, this is treatment of an unwanted medical condition. If a minor is old enough to otherwise become a parent, she is old enough to decide she doesn't want to be a parent. The risk of a full-term pregnancy in a minor is even higher than it is for a grown woman.
Again, do you think parents should have thew right to force a minor to gestate against her will?
<quoted text>
Unwanted does not mean unhealthy and parents have the right to govern their childrens' behavior. Nobody has the right to perform an invasive medical procedure on a child without the parent's consent

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#273 Aug 19, 2012
The parents take no risks during the pregnancy. She does.

Glad to see you'd sacrifice your child's life, literally or otherwise, for the sake of a pregnancy. I'm so glad my parents loved me and respected me enough to make my own decisions about my life. Had I been a girl and they forced me to keep a pregnancy, they would never have heard from me again once i reached 18.
Independent wrote:
<quoted text>
Unwanted does not mean unhealthy and parents have the right to govern their childrens' behavior. Nobody has the right to perform an invasive medical procedure on a child without the parent's consent
Independent

Aurora, IL

#274 Aug 19, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
The parents take no risks during the pregnancy. She does.
Glad to see you'd sacrifice your child's life, literally or otherwise, for the sake of a pregnancy. I'm so glad my parents loved me and respected me enough to make my own decisions about my life. Had I been a girl and they forced me to keep a pregnancy, they would never have heard from me again once i reached 18.
<quoted text>
Having a baby isn't sacrificing one's life. Having an abortion is. Once again, according to the law, a CHILD, unless emancipated by the courts, CANNOT make any binding agreements. I don't think the medical procedure of abortion should be any different. If my child threw a party, and some other kid "made their own decision" to get wasted, and either dies or kills someone on the way home, I can be held civilly liable. I'll be damned if I can be held responsible for that but, somehow am kept out of the loop of responsibility if my child wanted to have a potentially life threatening procedure. Still love your avatar, he was a great protector of western civilization.
Independent

Aurora, IL

#275 Aug 19, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
A lot of girls are raised with a romanticized view of motherhood. There is also the disturbing fact that some girls deliberately have babies to feel a sense of unconditional love.
<quoted text>
Romanticizing motherhood, much like your homosexuality, is an instinct, not a learned behavior. And guess what, when they have a baby, they don't just "feel" a sense of unconditional love, they OBTAIN unconditional love. You don't have children, you wouldn't understand, that much is obvious.

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