Kosovo: far better after NATO intervention

Obviously you get your information from a different place.
Have you interviewed General Lewis MacKenzie on this topic?
I don't think so, because if you had you would know how much propaganda was flying around at the time.
You would also know that the famous "Racak massacre" was in fact staged for the sole purpose of NATO bombings.
You would know that FBI did not find any mass graves or any evidence to what you are talking about here.

How about you present us with some proof of all this. As a responsible journalist you need to quote your sources and offer some evidence to support this outrageous claim.

Anyone can say whatever they like but you need to back it up with evidence. Let's see some

Peggy wrote:

Obviously you get your information from a different place.
Have you interviewed General Lewis MacKenzie on this topic?
I don't think so, because if you had you would know how much propaganda was flying around at the time.
You would also know that the famous "Racak massacre" was in fact staged for the sole purpose of NATO bombings.
You would know that FBI did not find any mass graves or any evidence to what you are talking about here.
How about you present us with some proof of all this. As a responsible journalist you need to quote your sources and offer some evidence to support this outrageous claim.
Anyone can say whatever they like but you need to back it up with evidence. Let's see some

Dear Peggy did you checked all these "compromised evidence" from Australia?

Have you ever been to Kosovo yourself?

How about the 800 bodies in three mass graves found in Belgrade's suburbs by the Serbs themselves after the fall of Milosevic regime?

800 bodies transported from Kosovo in a poor effort to hide the truth. Of course not enough time to take the rest of them 10,000 other civilians killed and dumped in mass graves in Kosovo.

The 800 bodies were returned to Kosovo later, with thousand of families waiting in the border to identify their loved once.

The families of 2,000 more people had to go back empty-handed. It is only too early to find where in Serbia their bodies are hidden.

You, Peggy, should be ashamed of yourself.

Ruben it is you who should be ashamed. Do you condone what the Albanians are doing to the Serbs and other non Albanians in Kosovo?
They are forced to live behind barbed wire and have NATO escort them to church and school. I don't have to go to Kosovo to see that because I have seen footage of it. Have you ever watched a documentary called "Stolen Kosovo"? No, it wasn't done by the Serbs in case you are going to say
"more Serbian propaganda".
Why don't you acknowledge my sources at all?

Do you dispute what General MacKenzie says and all the others? Do you say that they should be ashamed of themselves too? You don't have the guts to even try to dispute what the men I mentioned has said.
It's easy to have a go at me, but I dare you to openly here call those men liars. You can't and you know it.

Your bias is so obvious that you only go on the attack but never wish to debate fairly. First discredit those people I mentioned and then we can move on.

How come Serbs have become such a minority, only 10%? How come Albanians have become 90% when only after WW2 they were around 50%. Now who ethnically cleansed whom there?
Why over 150 churches and monasteries were destroyed in Kosovo if the poor innocent Albanians are so good?

Pleas spare me you bias. I don't say that Serbs haven't done wrong. It was war and everyone involved in it has done wrong. But you only see what one side had done and don't want to see the wrong on the other side.
That's where impartial people like General MacKenzie come in and discredit the likes of you.

Peggy if we wanted to read only serbian propaganda I would go directly to serbiana.com ...but I'll stick with cnn,bbc and the rest of western media...Serbia started the 4 wars no way around that one and no diplomacy in earth would have done any good...So yes NATO's success story is Kosovo/a and its free people.

Wow Peggy...how about waking up and facing the reality! The rest of the world saw thousands of people get n the train (just like in WWII) and leave for the neighbouring countries because of the threat from the Serb paramilitary, police and army that translates into Ethnic Cleansing.
I think both Peggy and Mary Ellen O'Connell should visit Kosovo (no hard feelings about their baseless, idiotic, stupid, remarks re. the NATO intervention in Kosovo), or go to some island where there is no media or ways for you to show off how BRAINWASHED you are...again, I can't expect much from Peggy since I don't know her credentials, but O'Connell (DAMN!) she is a proffessor!
Regards from the Republic of Kosova (Hey Peggy...how do you like them apples?)

Alex wrote:

Serbia started the 4 wars no way around that one and no diplomacy in earth would have done any good...So yes NATO's success story is Kosovo/a and its free people.

There are rules in international law for separatism: if you want to separate you should negotiate with the "mother"-country. Unfortunately some people in Washington and Brussel thought that they knew better than international law and declared Yugoslavia "in dissolution" in order to spare their protégés the humiliation of having to negotatiate. When these rabid nationalists got started with cleansing Croatia and Bosnia of its Serbs they got a Serb reaction. But that doesn't mean that Serbia started the conflict.

Kosovo is a similar story. Sure, Serbia didn't treat Kosovo's Albanians very well before 1999. But the US decision to give all power to the Albanians was just as stupid as it would be now to give the power back to the Serbs because the Albanians made a even greater mess of minority rights.

Conflicts should be solved with negotiations. Not with some unilateral handling of the power to one side. Unfortunately the Washington hardliners seem more happy to support one side and to see its victories as vicarious US victories. In the process they don't shy from ethnic cleansing: see also the recent Georgian conflict.

Dear Peggy and Mary and Darko,
While appreciating your interest in Kosovo, you all should really visit and research the matter yourselves rather than relying on the reports and transcripts of others.
I live in Kosovo and while I would agree that the conditions of the Serbian population are far from ideal your portray lacks balance and understanding of the past, present and future realities and challenges of this region as a whole.
I would be pleased to have lunch with you and share with you my experience based knowledge on the matter.
Sincerely,
WeM

I am sorry - are we talking about these good Serbs http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUS...
It is very interesting that after starting and loosing 4 wars Serbs still blame others (and killing over 250,000 people).

Peter Roden wrote:

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There are rules in international law for separatism: if you want to separate you should negotiate with the "mother"-country. Unfortunately some people in Washington and Brussel thought that they knew better than international law and declared Yugoslavia "in dissolution" in order to spare their protégés the humiliation of having to negotatiate. When these rabid nationalists got started with cleansing Croatia and Bosnia of its Serbs they got a Serb reaction. But that doesn't mean that Serbia started the conflict.
Kosovo is a similar story. Sure, Serbia didn't treat Kosovo's Albanians very well before 1999. But the US decision to give all power to the Albanians was just as stupid as it would be now to give the power back to the Serbs because the Albanians made a even greater mess of minority rights.
Conflicts should be solved with negotiations. Not with some unilateral handling of the power to one side. Unfortunately the Washington hardliners seem more happy to support one side and to see its victories as vicarious US victories. In the process they don't shy from ethnic cleansing: see also the recent Georgian conflict.

What rules are you talking about??? Former Yu was compromised of 6 Republics and 2 Provinces. Every Republic had the Right to separate if so desired. Slovenia and Croatia decided to do that and Serbia didn't like the Idea because they wanted to rule the whole place because that was their God given Right!!! Bosnia followed suit and because they didn't have strong backers they got slaughtered. The only Republics to separate without bloodshed were FR of Macedonia and Montenegro. Kosovo/a is lucky because the international community finally understood that Serbia knows only brute force. After 15,000 dead and 800,000 refugees Kosovo/a got its freedom thanks to USA and NATO. Serbia bit more than it can chew. 4 Wars (all lost by the way)in less than a decade take a toll on a country that size, as a result they are far behind the other former Republics. Slovenia is already in EU with Croatia to follow suit. The other ones a bit slower but still ahead of Serbia. Kosovo/a is rebuilding with the help of EU. Nobody can convince me that Serbia was hated by the whole western world because they had strong backers too(French for example) but you cant rule with an iron fist anymore not in Europe thanks God.
As for Georgia you have to ask Russians what the heck?

It is very obvious that all you who are condemning me and the writer are indeed Albanians as only the Albanians have this much hatred towards Serbia and only the Albanians use the same old line "Serbia started four wars and lost them".
Like I said before, it's easy to write all sorts of garbage but hard to back it up with facts.

There is no point in debating this issue with you as none of you have addressed my claim that the people I mentioned totally reject your point of view. You won't go near that one because you know you can't. I will believe General MacKenzie any time before I will take your word for it. He is a very credible witness to what happened as he was there on the ground in command of the UN. What credentials do you all bring here?

So spare me the drama and emotion. Have heard it all before. I choose to listen to credible people like MacKenzie, Chomsky, Pilger, Bissett and others.

I don't have time for you emotions. If you can counter what the people I mentioned say then I will hear you but until then I don't give any credibility to your say so.

Peggy (and others who think like her) please watch this short movie...it's only 15 minutes (there are in total 4 parts).
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
If you never lived in Kosovo, stop trying to defend Serb agression. You don't know JACK **** about what really happen here.
And Peter...boy you need to have some sense slapped into you. I don't know how old you are, but it seems that you just woke up. It took only one man (that's Slobo, AKA the Ballkan Butcher) and his nationalistic Serbs to START and LOSE 4 wars...(Peggy, they last all four of them :))
There is another documentary which aired just few days ago (done by a Serb producer) which shows what really happen in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo - Peggy see that movie and maybe you will trust the Serb producer.

Suffice it to say that it's not all that hard to fool most of the people most of the time. Especially so after reading some of your comments. For you who would rather believe the tales of Christiane Amanpour and the like, you are too easily fooled. Do your own research and you'll find out that today's Kosovo is ethnically cleansed of almost all of its pre-1999 non-Albanian population. Since 1999, over 150 ancient Christian holy places have been destroyed, while at the same time countless Islamic mosques continue to be built. The remaining handful of Christian Serbs and other minorities languish in barbed wire enclosed ghettos, without even the basic human rights or freedom of movement. Since 1999, NATO must constantly guard the Christian monasteries of Decani, Gracanica, Pec, etc. Who do you think they're guarding them from? THINK!

Take that trip to Kosovo, and see for yourselves. Or, if you can't, then study up and find out that Kosovo is now Europe's black hole of all manner of organized crime.

But, then, USA does have one more huge military base on foreign occupied territory. Perhaps that's what it was all about in 1999?

This is absurd to even discuss. The article was about picking a cabinet, not who's right in the Balkans. All this talk of brainwashing and propaganda. Like CNN and the BBC aren't western propaganda machines. Like we in America aren't brainwashed to believe in our countries manifest destiny.

The Albanians in Kosovo have been treated poorly by the Serbs through the years, I don't see the Serbs denying that. However all the talk of ethnic cleansing is pure media fabrication. If anyone in Kosovo has been Ethnically cleansed it's the Serb population. They've declined by 500,000 in the last 15 years. Most killed or leaving because of fear.

Let's talk about the YU civil wars as well. Anyone who thinks atrosities weren't committed by all sides is crazy. The west chose to support Croatia and Bosnia as well as Albanians later. Interesting how we turned our backs on a country that was our ally in two world wars (Serbia) to support countries pledged to the Nazi's (Croatia and Albania). All I can say is (since this was all started by the article) Serbia I'm sorry. I'm sorry for what my government did and sorry for what it is supporting today. Please know that some of us in the US know what is really going on in the Balkans.

Our great USA, and EU leaders opened the Pandora's box. Thanks to their bright vision.
More than 1,400 Kosovo Serbs are still missing from the Kosovo and War crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte announced opening a case regarding the massacre of Kosovo Serbs kidnapped by the Albanian terrorist KLA for the sale of their vital organs during and after the 1999 NATO aggression.
About some 500 Serb hostages who were kidnapped by the Kosovo Albanians and taken to Albania in trucks in the summer of 1999, after the end of the NATO aggression on FR Yugoslavia, at the time when international peacekeepers, investigators and representatives of human rights groups were in Serbian province of Kosovo.
Their the organs, were sent abroad from Mother Teresa airport in Tirana where they were used in transplantations for Western patients who could afford to pay for it.
The victims who had one kidney removed at first were returned to the same barrack to wait to be taken to a butcher block again, for other vital organs, and be killed.

“There are no graves of Serbs there,” the Albanian official said.“But, if they took the Serbs from the Kosovo border and killed them, they did the right thing”.

I am writing to you from a Serbian Monastery grounds just outside the city of Prizren in southern Kosovo and Metohija. When I arrived here several hours ago I had to stand outside in the rain while a German NATO soldier checked my documents behind a wall of barricades and razor wire protected by well-armed troops secured behind armored bunkers. The razor wire is here to stop the Albanians from coming in here and killing the monks and destroying this holy place which predates the Ottoman Turkish occupation of these Christian lands centuries ago.

I told you that I am writing to you from the monastery "grounds" because the monastery itself was destroyed by Albanian mobs under the very eyes of NATO troops who did nothing to stop them when they went on a coordinated pogram against Serbs, especially targeting their Christian churches, more than four years ago in a modern day re-enactment of Hitler's Kristallnacht Pogrom against the Jews.

Earlier today I visited the one and only remaining Serbian farmer and his wife holding out inside their barricaded farmhouse on a main North-South highway through Kosovo. He cannot leave his home to buy food, to go to a doctor, or even to meet someone without risking his life or that of his wife were he to leave her in the farm compound alone. Both of them cried in front of my eyes when I asked them if NATO had helped them or protected them. Specifically, the man said, "the ethnic cleansing that the Albanian extremists have conducted against all other ethnicities (not just Serbs!) in Kosovo could only have been accomplished with the presence of NATO, which effectively made it impossible for the minorities to defend themselves".

I earlier drove through four villages that were entirely Serbian and found not a single Serb living there (even in hiding).

I drove past graveyards where the Serbian headstones have been smashed, and past hundreds of sparkling new Albanian-owned factories and apartment buildings built without legal permission on land that the UN-managed cadastral records show as belonging to Serbian owners driven off the land at threat of extermination.

I was sent here in the mid 1990s to cover the situation in the region for Japanese media and can show you hundreds of hours of video of Albanians walking talking and laughing in the streets of Kosovo's cities during the period when Slobodan Milosevic was the President of Serbia. I can show you the passports of the Serbs from Kosovo from that period in which all the text is in Albanian first and Serbian only second. I can also show you the interviews that I conducted with Serbs who whose family members where kidnapped, never to return.

We now know that hundreds of those young children, women and others were taken away to have their organs ripped from theiur bodies while they were still alive in a process that would make even Dr. Mengele's "experiments" pale in comparison.

As a Canadian journalist having been born and grown up in a country in which we Canadians are at least trying to strengthen ethnic tolerance and friendship, I have been so apalled by what I have seen here that I am dedicated to joining the growing number of people of conscience who are trying to let the world know what is really going on here in the hell that Kosovo has become for all non-Albanians since NATO's arrival. I hope that you will hear more from me and other journalists in the near future...

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch
john.b@imcnews.com

People all this is known to be facts as credible people have spoken about it and written about it. You will not convince the Albanians who are posting hateful comments and condemnation here because truth does not serve them. The lies and propaganda serve them far better.

Yes, all sides are guilty to crimes in the former Yugoslavia, but only the Serbs have been condemned and likened to Hitler, who by the way the Serbs fought against in WW2 and were being exterminated just like the Jews.
Calling any Serb Hitler is as much insulting as calling any Jew Hitler.

Anyone who hasn't read up on history will fall for all the rubbish written by these Albanians here but I urge everyone to do their own research. I have given enough sources to start with and then decide what you think.

KLA who are now in government in Kosovo were labelled a terrorist organization by the CIA just before the war but then they were needed by the US to implement their goals in the Balkans. They were then taken off that list. The very people who support them were targets themselves. Fort Dix was an Albanian job.
Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians have links to Al-Qaeda and General MacKenzie openly says that. This Major General is well informed because it was he was was doing informing during he war. He was in command of the UN in Sarajevo.

No Albanian poster here can dispute this and hasn't even tried but continues to throw accusation like confetti. All I am saying it use the credible sources I gave you and make up your own mind before listening to just any Joe here.
War is brutal and all sides do bad things. America backed the former Nazis and Al-Qaeda supporters.

I guess all I have to say is thank God and of course America that the Serbian prapaganda is not selling anymore.

I wonder why Peggy only chooses to listen to ''credible'' people like MacKenzie after we all know why he would say bad stuff about Bosnia and Kosovo. As far as I know he was charged with sexual misconduct and he is also a paid Serbian lobbyist now we can see how credible Peggy can be.

Peggy admit u r brainwashed and thats it.

Cheers

Reading through the comments made by the Serbs on this site and everywhere else, I see no remorse whatsoever for the horrific crimes they committed. Crimes that the world witnessed not a hundred years ago, but only recently, live on TV, for nearly 10 years.
It shows that they still remain the same savage people they were when they first arrived in the Balkan.
With their fabricated shameless lies they prove to be a living example of how low the humans can behave.
I would burn in shame if I was a Serb

Mendo wrote:

I guess all I have to say is thank God and of course America that the Serbian prapaganda is not selling anymore.
I wonder why Peggy only chooses to listen to ''credible'' people like MacKenzie after we all know why he would say bad stuff about Bosnia and Kosovo. As far as I know he was charged with sexual misconduct and he is also a paid Serbian lobbyist now we can see how credible Peggy can be.
Peggy admit u r brainwashed and thats it.
Cheers

Mendo, how do you know all this about MacKenzie? Can you direct us to any link which shows this evidence?
I have also quoted John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, James Bissett and Gregory Clark (foremer Australian diplomat now involved in the Akita University in Japan). Please tell us, are these people also paid Serbian lobbyists and if so please provide evidence. Your say so is not going to cut it.
Here is one link to back up my arguments.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo2007...
John Pilger's article is also very informative and I would challenge you to show me evidence of payment by Serbian lobby for his opinions.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/pilger/pilger20.ht...
If after reading this you can still call people wanting to expose Albanian lies as shameless people then go ahead, but I think you will have a hard time.
Accusations against Major General Lewis MacKenzie need to be backed up with evidence. This man is not facing any charges at all, but this slander was started by the Bosnian Muslims because he didn't go along with their lies.
To all the free thinking people here, please go to the links I provided and then decide what you want to believe.

how do you like them apples

Dritan, and you voluntarily live in Serbia. How do you like them apples? LOL