Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs

2008bill wrote:

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Yes we need to get back to our roots and "The way it NEVER was" in December 2008.
You are the one that needs to wake up and quit dreaming about "The way it NEVER was" December 2008!
1. War missions completed, troops home with their families
2. Economy booming, no recession in sight.
3. Borders secured, Immigration plan in place.
4. Health care costs under control, all Americans with affordable health care plans.
5. Social Security on the road toward solvency.
6. Public Education system improved, test scores improved considerably.
7. An alternative energy plan in place and oil dependence at all time low!
8. Housing market in it's best condition ever
9. Stock market strong
Now all of this ruined by this democrat! What a shame!

deflection strawman

'(e) Funding-

`(1) INITIAL FUNDING- There is hereby appropriated to the Secretary, out of any funds in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated,$30,000,000 for the first fiscal year for which this section applies to carry out this section. Such amount shall remain available without fiscal year limitation.

`(2) AUTHORIZATION FOR SUBSEQUENT YEARS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary for each fiscal year following the fiscal year described in paragraph (1), such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.'.

Grants in Support of Process-

`(1) PREMIUM REVIEW GRANTS DURING 2010 THROUGH 2014- The Secretary shall carry out a program to award grants to States during the 5-year period beginning with fiscal year 2010 to assist such States in carrying out subsection (a), including--

`(A) in reviewing and, if appropriate under State law, approving premium increases for health insurance coverage; and

`(B) in providing information and recommendations to the Secretary under subsection (b)(1).

`(2) FUNDING-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Out of all funds in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, there are appropriated to the Secretary $250,000,000, to be available for expenditure for grants under paragraph (1) and subparagraph (B).

`(B) FURTHER AVAILABILITY FOR INSURANCE REFORM AND CONSUMER PROTECTION- If the amounts appropriated under subparagraph (A) are not fully obligated under grants under paragraph (1) by the end of fiscal year 2014, any remaining funds shall remain available to the Secretary for grants to States for planning and implementing the insurance reforms and consumer protections under part A.

`(C) ALLOCATION- The Secretary shall establish a formula for determining the amount of any grant to a State under this subsection. Under such formula--

(g) Funding; Termination of Authority-

(1) IN GENERAL- There is appropriated to the Secretary, out of any moneys in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated,$5,000,000,000 to pay claims against (and the administrative costs of) the high risk pool under this section that are in excess of the amount of premiums collected from eligible individuals enrolled in the high risk pool. Such funds shall be available without fiscal year limitation.

(2) INSUFFICIENT FUNDS- If the Secretary estimates for any fiscal year that the aggregate amounts available for the payment of the expenses of the high risk pool will be less than the actual amount of such expenses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficit.

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(e) Funding- There is appropriated to the Secretary, out of any moneys in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated,$5,000,000,000 to carry out the program under this section. Such funds shall be available without fiscal year limitation.

Devin wrote:

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You know what matters, Clinton a Democrat governed America to the BEST and LONGEST EXPANSION in AMERICAN HISTORY...and was ONE of only 3 PRESIDENTS in HISTORY to string together BUDGET DEFICITS.
CARTER a DEMOCRAT Brokered the MIDDLE EAST PEACE AGREEMENT....
9 trillion of the 12.1 Trillion National DEBT, was accumulated by Bush and Reagan....
Are those accomplishments and disappointments clarity enough?
Despite what you want to believe, those are the FACTS that are RECORDED in AMERICAN and World History.
Consult the RECORD kept at the National ARCHIVES...

I want to thank you Devin. I have a lot of free time and I’m at a point where I decide a direction in which to expand my mind. I’m a history nut but I need a change and you have given me that direction (Economic Policy).
You obviously know more than I but I will study and in the future I hope to be able to engage in a debate on a more appropriate level.
I hope you could well for a lack of a better word mentor me in this area some?

Correct me if I’m wrong doesn’t the congress write the bills and the POTUS signs them?
I thought they also controlled the purse? Who controlled the congress under Clinton? Who was Newt Gingrich and what was his role? Because I hear he did something.

What did Alan Greenspan have to do with fiscal policy?
Did Carter give us that community reinvestment act and what was that?
And what is the thing Clinton supposedly did to add something to it?

Now that Middle East thing is that the one that got Anwar Sedat and Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi killed? The guy oh what’s his name oh, Ayman al-Zawahiri is still wanted for? Don’t they call him Osama bin Ladens second in command?
I thought Iran let the hostages go to Reagon?

Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated

Plant Lady wrote:

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You are attributing this to Obama?
Please share a well reasoned answer to the question of why you thank Obama for you job and your gasoline.

his bailouts and banking help has helped the construction trade which am a part of. I did'nt see the former doing anything to help us other than help himself and his own causes.

Alz wrote:

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As John Adams said, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other."
Merry Christmas and Happy Holy Days.

Influenced by the role atheist played in the French Revolution Washington said this in his farewell address.

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man,
ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion
of religious principle.

big bro will be watching you

Will we be required to carry national health ID cards?

(i) ELIGIBILITY FOR A HEALTH PLAN AND HEALTH CLAIM STATUS- The set of operating rules for eligibility for a health plan and health claim status transactions shall be adopted not later than July 1, 2011, in a manner ensuring that such operating rules are effective not later than January 1, 2013, and may allow for the use of a machine readable identification card.

Bill_S wrote:

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Fool that is 14 states out of 50. How can you justify it is working? You don't see the issue with your very own post. I knew you couldn't prove it. And you also stated these states have small populations.
Go back and learn simple math fool!
You are not counting those who are no longer on unemployment and cannot receive anymore. They don't count those. Why don't you look at actual job numbers throughout those states, and compare to back 3 years ago. And let's see how it adds up!
I bet you can't!
Keep trying you fool. You have no clue. You still have proven NOTHING!

Here is the point which seems to escape you, with 36 State with Unemployment below 10% why would you subject yourself and your family to living and remainding in a state that is an economic waste land, and unemployment hovering or above 10%?

Sounds like a personal choice resulted in the job status of a citizens unemployed coupled wtih lack of sufficient professional skills and, the insuing consequences suffered are being blamed on Politicians, where's that attitude of Self Responsibility and taken credit for one's own actions.

Why would an individual allow the Government to do for them and their obligations what apparently those same individuals are willing to do for themselves? If there is ample employment in New Jersey, why would someone remain in California? More pointedly, how is a decision like this President's Obama's fault?

2008bill wrote:

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Merry Christmas Bill_S
Here you go, just in case you missed it!
Sarah Palin told 'biggest lie of the year'
Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has won the dubious honour of telling the biggest political lie of the year.
A panel of experts ruled her claim the Obama administration was planning to introduce "death panels" was chosen as the most misleading statement of 2009.
Palin, 45, made the claim on her Facebook page at the height of the debate over President Obama's plans to reform the US health care system.
She wrote: "My parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide whether they are worthy of health care."
But the website PolitiFact.com found that there were never any plans to introduce so called "death panels" to decide who should live or die.
According to the website Palin's statement on her Facebook page generated a huge controversy and was mentioned almost 6,000 times over the next two months.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nor...

They only thing that would be worse is if she said Doctors are cutting off legs and steeling kids tonsils for money.

Bill_S wrote:

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Show proof you fool that it is rebounding!
Show actual proof no bull crap lies from WH webpage. Any idiot who wants to lie can post anything.
Come on you fool prove it!

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Ave
2009 0.03% 0.24%-0.38%-0.74%-1.28%-1.43%- 2.10%-1.48%-1.29%-0.18% 1.84% NA NA
2008 4.28% 4.03% 3.98% 3.94% 4.18% 5.02% 5.60% 5.37% 4.94% 3.66% 1.07% 0.09% 3.85%
Federal Reserve: The Appearance of Control 12/24/2009 By now, the financial panic of March 2009 is a hazy memory for many investors. The Dow is above 10,000. "The Great Recession" is apparently "over." And according to the popular vote, the man to thank is Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, who's just been named Time Magazine's "Person of the Year."
Pricing Crude Oil in 'Gulfos'? In Their Dreams 12/21/2009 A bloc of oil producing countries led by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait reported preliminary steps to establish a regional currency: The “Gulfo,” in which to trade their oil in lieu of U.S. dollars. Is this a threat to the dollar hegemony? Some would say yes, but I would say no. In fact I would go as far to say heck no.
http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflat...

Bill_S wrote:

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Show proof you fool that it is rebounding!
Show actual proof no bull crap lies from WH webpage. Any idiot who wants to lie can post anything.
Come on you fool prove it!

"The current US economy status
Renewed weakness in the US economy has hardly come as a surprise to us. It is the inexorable outgrowth of an economic recovery that has been of highly dubious quality right from the start. The US economy is plagued by an extraordinary array of growth-impairing imbalances: a record-high trade deficit, a record-high budget deficit, record-high household indebtedness, record-low national saving and asset price bubbles supporting record-high consumer spending.
Any other country faced with these monstrous domestic and external imbalances would have endured panicky capital flight and a collapsing currency, forcing its central bank to drastic monetary tightening. But the US central bank and the dollar were spared this fate because the central banks of the Asian surplus countries stepped in, accumulating any amount of dollars needed to avoid an undesired rise of their currencies.
In 2003, such dollar purchases by foreign central banks amounted to a stunning $616.6 billion, after $351.9 billion the year before. The total reserves of emerging Asia rose by over $350 billion between the beginning of 2003 and March 2004. Over the same time, Japan's central bank purchased $316 billion worth of US assets. The biggest buyer in emerging Asia was the central bank of China.

The current US economy status: The Fed's monetary policy
These huge and soaring dollar purchases by foreign central banks were crucial in allowing the US Federal Reserve to pursue its ultra-loose monetary policy with ultra-low interest rates. As we have often stressed, this in combination with equally loose fiscal policy has prevented a deeper recession, but the question is whether or not these policies have laid the foundation for sustained economic growth in the longer run.
In our view, it is bad policy on both sides. The Asian central banks accommodate the credit excesses in the United States, and in doing so, fuel rampant credit excesses in their own countries. Japan's horrible aftermath over more than a decade after its credit excesses in the late 1980s does not seem to deter anybody. The United States, on the other hand, is losing jobs to Asia.
Both are courting extraordinary credit excess, but with a crucial difference: In the United States, the credit excess went and continues to go overwhelmingly into asset prices and personal consumption; in Asia, it goes overwhelmingly into capital investment and production, essentially creating a mass of overcapacity and malinvestments. The result is an unprecedented symbiosis between the two continents: The Americans borrow and consume, and the Asians produce.

The US economy has abruptly weakened. Is this weakness just a short-lived "soft patch" caused by higher oil prices, as emphasized by Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan and readily believed by the eternally bullish consensus? Or does it represent the beginning of a more severe downshift to subpar corporate and economic performance, if not worse?

Bill_S wrote:

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Show proof you fool that it is rebounding!
Show actual proof no bull crap lies from WH webpage. Any idiot who wants to lie can post anything.
Come on you fool prove it!

The current US economy status: Consumer spending
An issue in particular is a slowdown in consumer spending. From the start of 2004 through July, real consumer spending rose by $122.2 billion. That is $209.5 billion, or 2.8% at annual rate, and compares with an overall increase of $232.2 billion (3.3%) in 2003 and of $213 billion (3.1%) in 2002. For perspective, during the boom years 1999-2000, it had growth rates of 5.1% and 4.7%.
Though this deterioration is not dramatic, it also does not suggest an ongoing recovery. Yet the aggregates hide one rather dramatic change in the current year, namely, sharply lower growth in spending on consumer durables. At annual rate, it was down to $23.5 billion in the first seven months of 2004, after $71 billion in 2003 and $58 billion in 2002.

Still, there has been a dramatic change for the worse in the consumer's earning power. Since January 2004, the three-month annualized growth rate for real disposable personal income has literally collapsed: 5.7%, 4.6%, 4.5%, 3.7%, 2.5% and 0.8% for July. Over the seven months to July 2004, real disposable income was up a mere $77.4 billion, or $132.7 billion at annual rate. It grew by $174.3 billion in 2003 and by $226.2 billion in 2002.
http://www.dailyreckoning.co.uk/economic-fore...

Uncle Jesse wrote:

<quoted text>his bailouts and banking help has helped the construction trade which am a part of. I did'nt see the former doing anything to help us other than help himself and his own causes.

That was Bush silly.
Unless you work for GM but the bank bailout was Bush.
maybe you werent looking.

A whole 5 days a week huh? congrats.

I thought democrats dominated New York?

Gregory Scott wrote:

I have one thing figured out for sure.
You can find something about everything on the internet, if you a dem. Liberal/Conservative and you go to the CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC sites/news channels or sites and can believe what they are saying its good for you.
If you go to FOX News or related links, its for the Rep.
When you say something and show proof where it is you seen or found something, its always not a good source for the other person...lmao
What is to gain for anyone on this thread for the hours of typing and saying what is on your mind?
I doubt anyone is going to get Okenyans peace prize or any part of it...LMAO

Are you talking to YOURSELF again, Greg?

Clinging to my gun wrote:

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I want to thank you Devin. I have a lot of free time and I’m at a point where I decide a direction in which to expand my mind. I’m a history nut but I need a change and you have given me that direction (Economic Policy).
You obviously know more than I but I will study and in the future I hope to be able to engage in a debate on a more appropriate level.
I hope you could well for a lack of a better word mentor me in this area some?
Correct me if I’m wrong doesn’t the congress write the bills and the POTUS signs them?
I thought they also controlled the purse? Who controlled the congress under Clinton? Who was Newt Gingrich and what was his role? Because I hear he did something.
What did Alan Greenspan have to do with fiscal policy?
Did Carter give us that community reinvestment act and what was that?
And what is the thing Clinton supposedly did to add something to it?
Now that Middle East thing is that the one that got Anwar Sedat and Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi killed? The guy oh what’s his name oh, Ayman al-Zawahiri is still wanted for? Don’t they call him Osama bin Ladens second in command?
I thought Iran let the hostages go to Reagon?
Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated

Sometimes that's correct, the Constitution requires that all spending bills be proposed in the House of Representatives. Presidents use the Speaker of the House to introduce his inspired legislation which is crafted by his Administration at times.

For instance, TARP was initially crafted by Bush's Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson, and initially was a three (3) page document when submitted to congress. In the house and senate thus came the additional provision to outline and achieve the President's initiatives.

The Health Care Reform has been crafted in theory over 98 years and 7 presidents, the core points of the bill although modified where debated through out those 98 years. The present Bill in reconsiliation has been added to in both the 111th House and Senate.

Another Example, in 2006 through to 2009 the Bush Budgets were rejected in the House thus funding the Government and Wars were accomplished via Emergency Spending Bill as not to bring the Federal Government to a halt, thus there were times when Obama vote no on those spending bills because of additional spending measures stuffed inside those bills.

There are policies that changes policies that can shift policies and are often used.

Dean Martin wrote:

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Sadly, there's not a tool manufacturer extant that makes a pincer tool long enough to extract the acorn from your ass, so deeply embedded that it is.
At least the crunching noise you make whenever you sit down alerts everyone in the area, so that they can scatter appropriately.
Touche, Acorn boy. And hey, I didn't even mention the prolific death bomb known as the Bill2008 sulfurous gas-based WMD.
So put that Stalin-autographed commie lampshade back on your head and farty on, Acorn boy.

IQ in the CLOUDS! LOL!
Academy GRAD! LOL!
TOP of his Class! LOL!

A vote for a democrat in 2010 is a vote for the status quo.
We need Change.

Dean Martin wrote:

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Lol, Bill, he'd be hard-pressed to prove that his Acorn-funded trailer home hasn't fallen off it's cement blocks. Of course it will, since given all the propagandist lies and crap he spews, the overload in the trailer pottie will eventually topple it. Not that he's not overdue for an eye, and a mouthful.

Dean! You must have got your HOME confused with Mine. Here is my home, remember? I posted it two weeks ago!

http://picasaweb.google.com/Gamester59/DropBo...