Abby 2-8

edogxxx wrote:

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No it's not. You have the attitude of throwing up your hands because there's no way to stop anything so the burden now lays on society as a whole to swallow the costs of std's and healthcare. I'm simply postulating another alternative: teach teens to be responsible and that there are consequences for their actions. Ridiculous concept, I know. I've made it my whole life thusfar not getting an STD or a random girl pregnant. I must be extremely lucky and an extreme minority. Or I was taught better...?

What are you talking about? How do you formulate an argument like this in response to anything I wrote? You said teens are become more stupid (or something like that), but you didn't even look at the data that shows the OPPOSITE of that. I've looked at the data before; I don't have time now, but a quick google search yielded: "Birth and abortion rates among U.S. teens fell to record lows in 2008 ..."

Like I said, I don't know what *YOUR* opinion on this matter is (partly because all you're doing is spouting empty rhetoric and hyperbole), but the conservative position is generally one of not providing information about safe sex. Sure, they often want to use scare tactics and shout abstinence only, but everyone knows that a large percentage of teens will ignore the warnings. Therefore, REAL information should be provided, including how to use condoms, etc. and their effectiveness ...

Only teaching "Don't do it. It's bad. Don't do it." IS NOT SEX ED. It's reckless.

boundary: Sorry, but those reasons don't put Texas at the top of the list. Not bashing your state -- no state's perfect, each leads a list in something.

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Heard on the news tonight that 98% of Catholic women in the U.S. use birth control -- excluding the nonbarrier/nonchemical way.

cycle003 wrote:

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What are you talking about? How do you formulate an argument like this in response to anything I wrote?

Those are rhetorical questions, I assume.

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Heard on the news tonight that 98% of Catholic women in the U.S. use birth control -- excluding the nonbarrier/nonchemical way.

NFP isn't even a required part of pre-cana in the Chicago Archdiocese anymore, or at least wasn't back 10+ years ago. They told our pre-cana class that they could run a NFP course if they got 5 couple sign-ups ... there were probably 50 people/25 couples in our pre-cana class and they did not get 5 couples to sign up.

I also had a mother who told me that NFP was a wonderful way to learn how to SCHEDULE pregnancies ... my parents didn't have 6 kids due to lack of knowledge. In fact, when it was strongly recommended that they NOT have another kid after my youngest sister was born, they were disappointed and looked into the foster system and adoption.

I actually know NFP, my mom taught it to me. It's wonderful if that's what you want.

cycle003 wrote:

Only teaching "Don't do it. It's bad. Don't do it." IS NOT SEX ED. It's reckless.

That is NOT how abstinence is taught, what's wrong with you? Having sex can lead to STDs and pregnancy. Truth or a scare tactic? I guess it's up for interpretation.

edogxxx wrote:

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That is NOT how abstinence is taught, what's wrong with you? Having sex can lead to STDs and pregnancy. Truth or a scare tactic? I guess it's up for interpretation.

You were taught abstinence. You still had sex. The fact that you got no one pregnant and got no std's is a result of luck, not your abstinence curriculum.

Mister Tonka wrote:

<quoted text>You were taught abstinence. You still had sex. The fact that you got no one pregnant and got no std's is a result of luck, not your abstinence curriculum.

I'll have to disagree.

edogxxx wrote:

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I'll have to disagree.

Disagree on what, that you were lucky to not get a girl pregnant or get an std? How so. Please elaborate. If you did not take any precautions, then how is it not just luck of the draw?

Mister Tonka wrote:

<quoted text>Disagree on what, that you were lucky to not get a girl pregnant or get an std? How so. Please elaborate. If you did not take any precautions, then how is it not just luck of the draw?

I will not defend arguments I never made.

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Now thats a surprising statement!

edogxxx wrote:

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I'll have to disagree.

edogxxx wrote:

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I will not defend arguments I never made.

You were asked if you had sex as a teen. You said you did. You changing your story?

You were taught abstinence, but had sex, so either you failed the class, or teaching abstinence does not work.

Which is it?

edogxxx wrote:

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I will not defend arguments I never made.

edogxxx wrote:

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That is NOT how abstinence is taught, what's wrong with you? Having sex can lead to STDs and pregnancy. Truth or a scare tactic? I guess it's up for interpretation.

Maybe that's not how you were taught, but that's how many programs are.

Although I doubt it, maybe we're arguing over the same thing. Abstinence-ONLY programs are a terrible idea. They omit the important facts about HOW to properly use contraception. I'm all for giving ALL the facts to HS students and that includes the stats about STDs, pregnancy and birth control failure rates. Abstinence only programs don't do that.

Look, I'm all for telling HS students that they *should* abstain and that these are the risks. They should also be taught how proper use of contraception can reduce but not eliminate these risks. It will make for a safer society.

The biggest problem I have is with all the zealous nuts who become outraged when their children are provided access to condoms, and they claim that it's going to make their kids more likely to have sex. NUTJOB! These same people don't want any mention of using birth control in school, nor do they want the facts about which disease for which risk can be mitigated by condoms, etc.

I think the truth is scary enough. Let's give these kids the truth and arm with an alternative WHEN they decide to have sex anyway.

RACE wrote:

You were taught abstinence, but had sex, so either you failed the class, or teaching abstinence does not work.
Which is it?
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It was easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it was to get laid. Abstinence DOES work.