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Focus on hate crime is far too narrow

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Jacqui C Williams

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#25
Nov 18, 2007
 
I agree that it is difficult to continue pointing out harms that others have done to us while we, our communities and media choose to remain silent about the harms we do to ourselves. Selective silence to defend oneself makes sense, selective silence that allows violence to continue must end.
I am pissed

Lisle, IL

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#26
Nov 18, 2007
 
Tory wrote:
I love my country but I hate its gov't for creating and enforcing hate laws.
Tory, you can't love your country and then hate "its" government. If it is your country, it is your government. As futile as it may seem, it's up to you and the rest of us to change it instead of just accepting it. Vote.
Attorneymom

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#28
Nov 18, 2007
 
This is a great article. I hope that we begin to understand that we are our brothers and sisters' keepers. We, the entire human race, are in this thing together. We cannot continue to allow classism, racism, sexism and religion to blind us to this universal truth. The devil will always be a liar.

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John Canada

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#29
Nov 19, 2007
 
Attorneymom wrote:
This is a great article. I hope that we begin to understand that we are our brothers and sisters' keepers. We, the entire human race, are in this thing together. We cannot continue to allow classism, racism, sexism and religion to blind us to this universal truth. The devil will always be a liar.
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great post , thanks for the words .
LUMUMBA LIVES
CAM

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#30
Nov 19, 2007
 
I agree with Shane Johnson. For the past 5 months, I have been very disgusted with our civil rights leaders myself for not speaking out about the Dunbar Village Gang Rape of the 35 year old Hatian woman and her 12 year old son by 10 black teenagers. I was appaled when Rev. Shaprotn said, no body called him to speak about he crime. That is total BS, and he know it. The reason why he hasn't said anything about it is be cause the woman was poor, and has nothing to give in return, But hat is ok. To be honest with you, I believe this case will hurt some of our presidential canidates as well other civil rights leaders in the year 2008 because of their silence. The one who speaks up will likely be our president next year......
Tory

Downers Grove, IL

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#31
Nov 19, 2007
 
I am pissed wrote:
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Tory, you can't love your country and then hate "its" government. If it is your country, it is your government. As futile as it may seem, it's up to you and the rest of us to change it instead of just accepting it. Vote.
This is true in a country where citizens are not free but in a free country you can love your country and hate it's gov't. I love my Illinois, I love Chicago, but I hate it's government...those are my feelings; you can't deny me that.
Kathleen

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#32
Nov 19, 2007
 
Anyone ever heard of Channon Christian and Chris Newsome from Knoxville? No hate crime there!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Channo...

The five accused are black, the dead were white, but it was just a car jacking gone horribly wrong. They 'loved' them both to death I guess.
Craig

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#33
Nov 19, 2007
 
tristein wrote:
I think you need to do a little research into the law, Tory. Hate crime laws do not allow people to be prosecuted for their thoughts, but for their actions.
Incorrect. Hate crime laws increase the punishment for a crime based on the ideology or thoughts of the criminal. That is criminalizing thought.
Kathleen

Wheaton, IL

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#34
Nov 19, 2007
 
Here's another one, the Wichita massacre. Six white victims, two black brothers.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders...
The Bubba

Westwood, NJ

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#35
Nov 19, 2007
 
Blair wrote:
The news media is partly at fault for elevating members of the “Jena Six” to the level of the heroic “Little Rock Nine.” The two groups have race in common, but a sharper contrast in character between two groups of people is difficult to imagine. To be fair, the mainstream news media generally avoids explicitly stating that the noose-hanging incident at Jena High School led directly to the Jena Six beating incident, which occurred three months later. However, it implies that the noose-hanging incident was the catalyst for the Jena Six assault by writing that “the beating took place after three white students hung nooses in a schoolyard tree.” The truth is that the motivation for the Jena Six attack has been well established. Members of the Jena Six were angry at Justin Barker, the victim in the Jena Six beating incident, because they heard he had been talking to other students about a fight at a private party thee days earlier that involved one of their members and a 22-year-old white male. The fight at the private party had nothing to do with the noose-hanging incident. Although both black and whites attended the party, trouble started when a group of uninvited teenagers tried to crash the invitation-only party. When one of the hosts asked them to leave, they refused to go. This led to a confrontation in which the white adult hit Robert Bailey, one of the party crashers and a member of the Jena Six. The white adult was arrested and charged with battery. He pleaded guilty and was released on parole because it was his first offense. The fight at the private party, not the noose hanging, was the catalyst for the Jena Six attack. Following the Jena Six beating incident, the Justice Department reopened its investigation into the noose-hanging incident and determined there was no link between the nooses and the beating. U.S. Attorney Donald Washington told CNN that, "A lot of things happened between the noose hanging and the fight occurring, and we have arrived at the conclusion that the fight itself had no connection." He added that none of the black students involved in the beating made “any mention of nooses, of trees, of the 'N' word or any other word of racial hate." Rather than writing that the Jena Six beating took place [three months] after three white students hung nooses from a tree, the news media should report that the beating incident took place [three-days] following a fight at a private party between a member of the Jena Six and a white adult. To be fair, the news media does report that the three white students say they hung the nooses as a prank; however, this leave the false impression that the students hung the nooses knowing that the nooses would be perceive as a racist threat, but nevertheless, thought this would be funny. Hanging stuff beneath the tree was a tradition, especially during football season. The three white students says they hung the nooses to poke fun at friends who were members of the school rodeo team, an idea they say they got from the movie, Lonesome Dove. Nooses, called lassos or lariats, are standard rodeo equipment. The three white students say they were unaware that nooses could be considered racial threats. This explanation has been ridiculed, but federal investigators and local authorities who have actually investigated the incident are on record saying they believe the three white students are telling the truth. The mainstream media should at least report the three white students’ explanation.
Yes it is a shame that the news media did not report ALL the facts. However, its been a long time since the news media has had any "cojones" to do some "real" research and then reporting it, whether it be regarding this administrations lies, or anything that might be perceived as anti-black. Since when did reporting the truth become anti-anything?
The Bubba

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#36
Nov 19, 2007
 
Tory wrote:
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This is true in a country where citizens are not free but in a free country you can love your country and hate it's gov't. I love my Illinois, I love Chicago, but I hate it's government...those are my feelings; you can't deny me that.
He/she is not denying you anything just giving you an alternative way to see something. Lighten up.
Debbie

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#38
Nov 20, 2007
 
Kathleen wrote:
Anyone ever heard of Channon Christian and Chris Newsome from Knoxville? No hate crime there!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Channo...
The five accused are black, the dead were white, but it was just a car jacking gone horribly wrong. They 'loved' them both to death I guess.
I first read the story in my local paper back in January right after the crime occured. Since then I've been reading various updates on the Knoxville News Sentinel site. The trial isn't going to take place until May, 2008 and they're not sure how to charge them. Do you believe it? How about kidnapping, robbery, rape (4 counts - Christian's & 12 counts-Channon's), murder then burning the dead body.(Christian's)? The story makes me sick! The story on the poor Hatian woman and her son makes me just as sick and that was hardly reported as well.
john

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#39
Nov 20, 2007
 
nappies on ya heads
a good column but

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#40
Nov 20, 2007
 
When A black man beats up on A white man it's just another mugging. When A white man beats up on A black man it's A hate crime.
Eric

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#41
Dec 2, 2007
 
I remember reading about the incident previously mentioned, and I still feel that the bastards who assaulted and sexually violated both the mother and her young son should, in my opinion, NEVER see the light of day for as long as they want to live. As for this "Stop Snitchin'" @#$%&*!, it should go back the rectums of the people who advocate such things.
Eric

Shanghai, China

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#42
Dec 2, 2007
 
I remember reading about the incident previously mentioned, and I still feel that the bastards who assaulted and sexually violated both the mother and her young son should, in my opinion, NEVER see the light of day for as long as they want to live. As for this "Stop Snitchin'" @#$%&*!, it should go back into the rectums of the people who advocate such things.
HANGING NOOSE

Forest Park, IL

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#43
Dec 2, 2007
 
I SAW A BLACK PERSON THE OTHER DAY IN MY NEIBORHOOD,GUESS WHAT I DID NOT TRY TO ROB HIM, BEAT HIM UP OR TRY TO KILL HIM. NOW IF I WENT INTO A BLACK AREA ALONE PROBLY ANYTIME, I WOULD BE KILLED OR ROBBED OR WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE. BLACK PEOPLE HATE WHITE PEOPLE SIMPLE AS THAT !

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