The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA)

Sharing information about a terrible piece of legislation called "The Freedom of Choice Act" (FOCA).

FOCA would establish the right to abortion as a fundamental right (like the right to free speech) and wipe away every restriction on abortion nationwide.

It will eradicate state and federal abortion laws that the majority of Americans support and prevent states from enacting similar protective measures in the future.

Please read the expert analysis by Americans United for Life (AUL) and sign the Fight FOCA petition at:
http://www.FightFOCA.com

Thank you!
I oppose the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA), because:
-FOCA is a radical attempt to enshrine abortion-on-demand into American law;
-FOCA seeks to sweep aside existing, protective laws that I and the majority of Americans support;
-FOCA will prevent states from enacting protective measures in the future.
The FightFOCA petition will be sent to key Members of Congress upon the re-introduction of the Freedom of Choice Act in the 111th Congress.

That legislation sounds like a great idea. What are you, a fundie?

Spunk Nutley wrote:

That legislation sounds like a great idea. What are you, a fundie?

No not a fundie, I just do what I can to share information to respect all life.

The politicians bring religion and abortion into politics (just to get a vote) and then when someone speaks out against the other's beliefs they (politicians) twist it and say keep it out of politics.

When we see some brutal killings reported in the news and in our own cities, this becomes horrible in our sight. Yet we do not think of all the unseen murders going on with abortion. Even those killed in ongoing wars tend to be muted from our media because of the frequency of these killings. No matter how many are killed, each life is precious and should be equally mourned for their loss. It is this precious life that many have lost respect for. If we want to stop the abortions, we must pray and educate people to love of life as a gift from God. Without respect for each life, it will be very hard to change people's minds.

I do respect the right for life and “Freedom of Speech/choice”. Children in the womb and out of the womb do not have the ability to speak for and defend them self! If any person believes they are responsible enough to participate in the choice/act of sexual behavior, they should also be responsible enough to do so in such a way as to NOT conceive a child and possibly thinking in their own minds they can easily abort (murder) this life. We do have laws that govern our “Freedom of Choice” but we also have laws against murder…law enforcement act accordingly with reference to murder…pro-choice gives a person the right to murder--Life begins at conception... doctors and parents have known for eons that life begins at conception, not birth!
http://www.lifebeginsatconception.com/

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abo...

I’m not speaking in terms of any woman who has been raped by any psychotic who may be obsessed with ‘twisted thinking’ with reference to rape, and the woman raped will have enough on their own mind trying ‘cleanse them self’ of rape; the victims mind will need counseling most definitely...also I’m not speaking of a life death situation.

I think most of us agree children should be protected, and the decision to have an abortion should not be taken lightly.

But, how do you distinguish between a child and a fetus?

copied from the coming of Christ post....

I'm a RN and a woman and I don't see where it's any of your damn business what I do with my body. Your opinion is that life begins at conception, my opinion is that life begins when the fetus if viable, which now that timeline varies between 23-26 weeks or so depending on a lot of different factors. I do not like late term abortions unless the mom's life is endangered or the fetus has severe medical problems because I once worked in an abortion clinic for about 3 weeks. I thought I could do it, but in the state I was working in, MN had laws that allowed late term abortion, I believe at the time it was 27 weeks. Before that I was working to save these babies born early in neonatal ICU's in another state....so, in part I agree with you, but I also disagree with you. BTW, I quit that job because I couldn't/wouldn't be trained to do late term abortions. I walked out.

Now, on the other hand, early, 1st trimester abortions are different, much different and unless you've been there you don't know the difference. I believe in a woman's right to choose, but I do believe there should be limits when the fetus is viable, which, like I said, becomes a matter of opinion depending on the health of the woman, and other factors. If a mother hasn't made up her mind about abortion long before 23-24 weeks then she should give the baby up for adoption as long as it is healthy and she is healthy. JMHO

As for partial birth abortions, you don't know the first thing about the reasons these are done do you? There could be medical malformations in the baby that are incompatible with life and BIRTH would be painful, agonizing and goes against every thing I was ever taught in nursing school. I have never attended one of these, but I do know what they are and how they are done. They are not done willy nilly as you make it sound.
So, I guess we agree to a certain point but mostly we disagree. You have NO right to tell me what to do with my body. Have you NEVER made a mistake in your life? Don't give me that holier than thou conversation where you tell me that all life is sacred. All LIFE IS sacred, yes, when it's a viable baby!!!!!!!!!

People like you and your religious fundamentalist flunkies need to learn to stay out of other people's business unless you truly understand and unless you have been in the position to have an abortion, or to lose a baby in a late term abortion due to a malformation incompatible with life then you need to keep your opinions out of women's bodies! You have NO idea what it does to a family to have a late term abortion. They have LOST their baby. They did what they had to do for the sake of their baby, not because they didn't want it!!!!!!!!!! You do NOT know what you are talking about.

I'm tired of you Jesus freaks trying to rule my life. Stay OUT OF MY LIFE and preach to those who truly want to hear it.
Don't bother going into what happens at a late term abortion because I know you are not a medical professional and have not been there or been educated as to why and what actually happens!!! They just don't do them for fun, for fun they are NOT!!!!!!!!!!

The Constitution protects the right to life - which should protect unborn life. Our idiotic government can't seem to see that. These elected murderers will give an account to God for this travesty. God help the innocent unborn being murdered by our immoral society.

AND - I hope the crazy "RN" above never has to take care of me. People with this hatred will kill you in the bat of an eye. If you ARE a nurse- GET OUT NOW - you don't belong there with your hatred.

TiredOfIt wrote:

The Constitution protects the right to life - which should protect unborn life. Our idiotic government can't seem to see that. These elected murderers will give an account to God for this travesty. God help the innocent unborn being murdered by our immoral society.

"Unborn life" is not protected by the constitution.

TiredOfIt wrote:

The Constitution protects the right to life - which should protect unborn life. Our idiotic government can't seem to see that. These elected murderers will give an account to God for this travesty. God help the innocent unborn being murdered by our immoral society.

Republicans back this new act as well. I don't know the official count of them but I know there were at least a couple. You call these newly elected people murderers, lol, I've not seen ANYONE do anything to try to reverse Roe vs Wade. Perhaps you should try to be a superme court judge with your imminent knowledge.

TiredOfIt wrote:

AND - I hope the crazy "RN" above never has to take care of me. People with this hatred will kill you in the bat of an eye. If you ARE a nurse- GET OUT NOW - you don't belong there with your hatred.

I do not have hatred. In fact it's just the opposite. I SAID I refused to participate in a late term abortion of a 27 week fetus and walked out and quit that job. My REAL work constituted taking care of healthy and sick newborns, most of them premies that needed skilled, intense care.

When I wasn't doing that I was working on a medical surgical floor and I was a damn good nurse, you don't know me from one paragraph.

If you live in Charlotte there's a chance I might just take care of you and you'd be lucky because I'm not a burnt out old witch like a lot of the people I work with who let call lights go unanswered, disregard people's requests for pain medicines, make mistakes that are outrageous.

If anything I am it's a good nurse and just because I believe in a woman's choice, UP TO A LIMIT, WITH LIMITS which means I basically OPPOSE that law doesn't mean jack. It's what I do when I walk in a patient's room that matters.....how I treat them as a person, not just a patient.

So, you've got no clue really. If you REALLY read what I wrote you would see that I oppose this law but I STILL believe in the woman's right to choose. I just think there HAVE to be guidelines on it.

Spunk Nutley wrote:

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"Unborn life" is not protected by the constitution.

You're right, it doesn't...

Spunk Nutley wrote:

I think most of us agree children should be protected, and the decision to have an abortion should not be taken lightly.
But, how do you distinguish between a child and a fetus?

I'm very glad you asked that question, since it is what this debate should really be about. This issue has become all about women's "rights," and forgotten is the question of "Is is a baby or just a mass of cells?" I can understand how in the days before ultrasound people had a hard time understanding the humanity inside the mother when all they could sense is some movement sometime during the 2nd trimester. With our modern technology, however, we can see scientific proof that it actually IS a human child long before he emerges from his mother's womb.

Some people argue that since the embryo, fetus, or baby (whichever you call it) has no ability to reason, speak, or argue, that he has no human soul and therefore does not deserve the same human rights that we do once we are born. When do they gain those abilities? At birth? At age 2? 8?

THIS is what this discussion should be about.

you know what i believe? this is soley what i believe on people who do abortions. Not including rape. Women who have abortion are just a bunch of whores who cant take responsible for what they done for pleasure... I mean you have no fucking right to say what lives and what dies. This is not natural. lmfao, i wonder what you would say if you were the fetus that was being aborted. For rape victims, the indivual probally doesnt want to go through all that pain, but we not have painkillers and the process is much easier. Why not try your best to just save a life. yup thats it, theres probally more. Oh and this foca act, doesnt this violate Catholics religious freedom? I mean if this gives you the right to have abortion at a Catholic Hospital, isnt that violating the employees of the Catholics hospitals CHOICE? to not have abortion.. wtf? this act is outrageous.

the freedom of choice act is not about choice, it's about tyrrany. it forces doctors who are morally opposed to abortion to perform abortions. pro-choice folks, how would you like it if the government forced you to do something that you found morally reprehensible?

i'm from South Dakota and there had been a law in the recent election that was defeated which would have banned abortions except for reasons like being a rape or incest victim, or the threatening of the mothers life...even to people who are for abortion this SD law would have been reasonable even to most people who have any morals

As a person above pointed out... if FOCA passing then Catholic Hospitals would be forced to perform abortions... SO think... do you think Catholics, who morally object to killing babies... would stay in the hospital buiness???? NO!!! and take a loko around at all the Catholic Hospitals... if they were to clse then the public will have a huge mess because then there definitely would not be enough medical facilities for everyone!!!!

To: Nc RN...I understand what you are saying to a point, but it is not "your body" we are concerned about when an abortion is performed, it is someone else's body..All I can say when I was pregnant less than 4 months, I felt life in my body of my child & it was pure joy. It was wonderful to have this life inside of me & thought I of all people is going to have a child. I was so excited. I do understand that not all pregnancies start out as wonderful, if they are started with rape or some other cause, that would be difficult & without faith in God I suppose one would have no compass as what to do. So hopefully you will think on those terms, think "What would God thing in this decision and that must always be our compass & guide.