Rodney Monroe

It appears Mr. Monroe is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He needs a BS Degree to keep his job, but he does not appear to be smart enough to actually earn one. Maybe Kurt Walton can see to it that UNC give Monroe an honorary degree to fill the degree requirement for Chief of Police.

(Writers Note: Mr. Monroe currently has a BS Degree, a Bull $hit Degree that the City of Richmond, VA bought him)

Lloyd Schieldge wrote:

It appears Mr. Monroe is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He needs a BS Degree to keep his job, but he does not appear to be smart enough to actually earn one. Maybe Kurt Walton can see to it that UNC give Monroe an honorary degree to fill the degree requirement for Chief of Police.
(Writers Note: Mr. Monroe currently has a BS Degree, a Bull $hit Degree that the City of Richmond, VA bought him)

He seems to be doing more than the last Chief Darayl Stephens(sp) ever did..... If he can do the job what difference does it make. Years ago, people didn't have to have a college education to do a good job. Now everyone seems to have a college education to do anything. Even work at McDonalds. You people with no common sense don't understand is, all it does take is motivation, loyalty , and a common sense. Give the guy a chance, college degree or not. He is probably more honest than the one's that have one. Not saying noone should go to college. I think if you can go , you should to get into the field of work you desire. But to know bad guys, only takes common sense. Not a college degree. The one's with the revolving doors are the one's with the college degree in the Justice System. And one other thing, they say they do not have enough, prosecutors, money, time. That is Bullshiat. They put through some cases very quickly. And if they wanted to they could these also. They are just waiting for another fish to fry. Another average , middle class person. So they can say look what we did..........

Yes, it does appear that Mr. Monroe is doing his job. The problem is:
1) He lied on his application for the job when he said he had a B.S. Degree in Criminal Justice. The degree VCU gave him was not in Criminal Justice but was a generic degree. The difference between Criminal Justice and Generic is however mute, since he earned neither any way. The fact is that the man lied, this is illegal, and he is suposed to be a man charged with upholding the law.
2) Many people did not apply for the position when it was advertised because they did not have the required B.S. Degree. You will never know who you could have had as Chief, because Monroe cheated.
3) Charlotte was not looking to hire a cop, they wanted a Chief of Police. The Chief's job is that of an Administrator, not a cop. An Administrator requires certain formal training in order to understan policy and Government. The mentality that he should be a good Chief because he is/was a good cop is the same as saying he is a Lawyer because as a cop, he knows the law.
4) Monroe was quoted in the Charlotte Observer saying he was looking at his options to make this thing right. He has had plenty of time to do so if he really meant it.
5) The man has already been proven to be dishonest and should not be charged with running any police department.
6) Lead by example. This man has already made fools out of Richmond Virginia, it is apparent he is doing the same in Charlotte.

Published: November 20, 2008

Virginia Commonwealth University's Board of Visitors voted today in favor of a policy change that makes it easier for the university to revoke a degree.

The board now says the university reserves right to revoke any degree "for cause."

The university has been under fire in recent months for improperly awarding an undergraduate degree to former Richmond police Chief Rodney Monroe.

Monroe should have taken 30 of 120 credit hours at VCU, but he only took six of his total credit hours at the university.

Still, the university allowed him to receive the degree in May 2007.

Monroe has since left Richmond to become chief of police in Charlotte/Mecklenberg County, N.C. He said last month that he's considering returning the VCU degree and attending another school to receive a new degree.

He has not yet announced a decision.

Lloyd Schieldge wrote:

Yes, it does appear that Mr. Monroe is doing his job. The problem is:
1) He lied on his application for the job when he said he had a B.S. Degree in Criminal Justice. The degree VCU gave him was not in Criminal Justice but was a generic degree. The difference between Criminal Justice and Generic is however mute, since he earned neither any way. The fact is that the man lied, this is illegal, and he is suposed to be a man charged with upholding the law.
2) Many people did not apply for the position when it was advertised because they did not have the required B.S. Degree. You will never know who you could have had as Chief, because Monroe cheated.
3) Charlotte was not looking to hire a cop, they wanted a Chief of Police. The Chief's job is that of an Administrator, not a cop. An Administrator requires certain formal training in order to understan policy and Government. The mentality that he should be a good Chief because he is/was a good cop is the same as saying he is a Lawyer because as a cop, he knows the law.
4) Monroe was quoted in the Charlotte Observer saying he was looking at his options to make this thing right. He has had plenty of time to do so if he really meant it.
5) The man has already been proven to be dishonest and should not be charged with running any police department.
6) Lead by example. This man has already made fools out of Richmond Virginia, it is apparent he is doing the same in Charlotte.

Maybe in the beginning he didn't realize the degree wasn't for real. Benefit of the doubt.
As far as doing something about it and making it right, you would not believe the crimes in Charlotte, and the confusion in the Justice System. Sorry to say , but they do not know their A from a hole in the ground.
Give him time. I'm sure if he is honest he will be truthful which he has been trying to do , but there is a lot to fix in Charlotte, N.C. and maybe he also needs to look into the corruption in the Justice System and send some of them to prison. This is a corrupt city. No one knows what is going on. We need people who care about the city, loyal to the city, honest with the people, and stop being so greedy to move up the totem (sp) poll.
I do agree in what you are saying , but they put him to work as soon as he got here. Maybe he is trying to juggle everything so he can make his degree. But right now I'm not worried about his degree, I'm worried for the city of Charlotte. They pick on people who they think won't come back at them with a response. They put white kids in prison for a very long time. And the revolving doors are the ones that need to be in prison. The police bring them in, and the prosecutors let them go right back out. We need someone on the peoples side and their rights. He seems to really care. And he probably hasn't had time to make things right, but I'm sure in time he will if he is an honest man. How did he make fools out of Richmond? May I ask? And if you would put it in plain simple words.

I strongly agree that Charlotte has many immediate needs with crime and justice control, and I believe you are correct in giving him a chance to work through it. The problem is not so much with his lack of an earned degree, but in how he got where he is. He did not qualify for the position, and this was known to the City Manager from the beginning before Mr. Monroe even had a chance to show if he was good.

Mr. Monroe made fools of Richmond because the City paid for his all of his classes from University of Phoenix and VCU in advance and without question, then he hauled A$$ off to Charlotte. He was apparently given his degree because of his friendship with the man who hired him in Richmond, Richmond City Mayor Doug Wilder who is a Professor at VCU and has very powerful ties with VCU. Some good people were forced out from VCU payroll because of this mess.

Maybe Mr. Monroe hauled A$$ from Richmond because he realized how corrupt Mayor Doug Wilder and friends are and knew he could do nothing about it. In any case, Mr. Monroe received a degree he did not earn, he signed a degree application indicating he had VCU credits he did not. But even if for some off the wall reason he did not know at the time, he has had more than enough time now to read about it in the papers and he has still not returned it.
I hope the crime declines in Charlotte, and I hope the justice system is cleaned up. I also believe that public posting places such as this, are making it harder for our crooked Mayors, City Managers, etc. to get away with their antics.

Lloyd Schieldge wrote:

I strongly agree that Charlotte has many immediate needs with crime and justice control, and I believe you are correct in giving him a chance to work through it. The problem is not so much with his lack of an earned degree, but in how he got where he is. He did not qualify for the position, and this was known to the City Manager from the beginning before Mr. Monroe even had a chance to show if he was good.
Mr. Monroe made fools of Richmond because the City paid for his all of his classes from University of Phoenix and VCU in advance and without question, then he hauled A$$ off to Charlotte. He was apparently given his degree because of his friendship with the man who hired him in Richmond, Richmond City Mayor Doug Wilder who is a Professor at VCU and has very powerful ties with VCU. Some good people were forced out from VCU payroll because of this mess.
Maybe Mr. Monroe hauled A$$ from Richmond because he realized how corrupt Mayor Doug Wilder and friends are and knew he could do nothing about it. In any case, Mr. Monroe received a degree he did not earn, he signed a degree application indicating he had VCU credits he did not. But even if for some off the wall reason he did not know at the time, he has had more than enough time now to read about it in the papers and he has still not returned it.
I hope the crime declines in Charlotte, and I hope the justice system is cleaned up. I also believe that public posting places such as this, are making it harder for our crooked Mayors, City Managers, etc. to get away with their antics.

Lloyd, why dont you propose marriage to the Chief? It seems like you are right at home with your nose up his arse.

VCU revises degree policy
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By Karin Kapsidelis
Published: November 21, 2008
With the simple addition of the words "for cause," Virginia Commonwealth University yesterday revised its policies to make it easier to revoke a degree.
The board of visitors, without referring to former Richmond Police Chief Rodney Monroe, changed the policy that it said had tied its hands in revoking the degree he was awarded in 2007.
"The university reserves the right to revoke any degree, certificate or other university recognition for cause," the new policy states. Previously, the board's policy was to revoke degrees only for academic misconduct.
Monroe, now chief of police in Charlotte/Mecklenburg County, N.C., said last month that he is considering options that include completing the VCU requirements, returning the degree or earning one from another school.
A spokeswoman said yesterday that Monroe likely would not make a decision before the end of the year. VCU Rector Thomas Rosenthal said after the board meeting that he has not heard from Monroe.
In a letter to the state House Appropriations Committee last month, the board of visitors acknowledged that it already had the inherent authority to revoke Monroe's degree.
The board is under pressure from the committee to force Monroe to complete the requirements necessary for the degree or return it.
Rosenthal has said the board decided it could not take that action because of the "academic misconduct" policy.
The board's investigation blamed poor judgment on the part of some VCU officials for awarding the degree but found no misconduct by Monroe.
Monroe should have taken 30 of 120 credit hours at VCU. Instead, he took six credit hours, or two courses, and received additional credits online from the University of Phoenix.
Monroe has said he was unaware of the university's residency rule. To remedy that, VCU this fall required students to sign statements at multiple points -- at admission, class registration and graduation -- acknowledging it is their responsibility to understand their degree requirements.
The revision in the policy on revoking degrees prompted questions from board member Edward H. Bersoff about the use of "university" and "cause" in the wording adopted by the board.
"It's not clear to me who the university is in that context," he said.
He questioned whether the policy needed to be more specific so that it did not appear the university could revoke a degree on a whim.
But others argued it was an important first step and that fine-tuning of the wording could come later.
VCU President Eugene P. Trani told the board he just had revoked a degree -- the first one in his tenure. Trani has been president since 1990.
University spokeswoman Pam Lepley said later that the degree was revoked because of academic misconduct. The case involved a student who had changed four of his grades from failing to passing and removed legitimately registered students from courses so he could take their places.
In other action yesterday, the board:
Named board member and former Del. Anne G. "Panny" Rhodes of Richmond to succeed Rosenthal as rector July 1, when a new president is scheduled to succeed Trani.
Revised policies to allow in some cases for parental notification when students receive mental-health treatment if there is a substantial likelihood the students could harm themselves or others. Also adopted were procedures allowing parents to obtain educational records of students who are their dependents.
The changes, a response to the Virginia Tech shootings by a student in April 2007, also expanded into a campuswide policy VCU's threat-assessment procedures, which had been developed for faculty and staff.
Contact Karin Kapsidelis at

Mr. Bill,

I am not supporting Mr. Monroe, but it is obvious to me that he is not capable of earning a college degree, and that Charlotte does not care. If Charlotte has such little regard for their own integrity, why should I? I just want the unearned degree returned to VCU.

Lloyd Schieldge wrote:

Mr. Bill,
I am not supporting Mr. Monroe, but it is obvious to me that he is not capable of earning a college degree, and that Charlotte does not care. If Charlotte has such little regard for their own integrity, why should I? I just want the unearned degree returned to VCU.

Seems like Charlotte leaders and justice system never goes by policy or warrant.
Any one that goes to college should know that you need 30 credits per semester to get to 120 for 4 years. Is that what you are saying?
And he is short 24 credits. I thought that was college policy for all colleges!
Last night we had a bad shooting and the guy the police were shooting at had a bulletproof vest on.
They had to wait for a warrent to look inside the van. And Rodney Monroe was right there. He may be putting up a good front . But I did not realize Va. sent him to college to be their police chief. And Wilder shouldn't still be there. Is he?
So many crooks in the higher ups , the middle class doesn't have a chance, until things are cleaned up.!!!! Thank you for explaining that to me. Mr. Bill you should know better!!!!!!!!

I do not believe Mr. Monroe’s presence at crime scenes is necessary, or appropriate. He is supposed to be an administrator, not a cop. One would not expect the US President to be present on the battle field. Monroe has a police force that is supposed to be qualified to handle crime scene investigations. Monroe would know this if he had taken and passed the appropriate college classes for an earned college degree. Monroe will do no body any good if he receives a bullet up his a$$ from being in, or near, the line of fire. He needs to put his “cop” mentality down and be an administrator. If he cannot trust the men and women he has working for him, he needs to replace them with people he can trust to do the job they are paid for.

It is my understanding that the City of Richmond (Mayor Doug Wilder) wanted Monroe to receive his degree from VCU and then teach courses there. Obviously that did not happen, and likely, and understandably, will not. When Monroe was hired by the City of Richmond (Mayor Doug Wilder), a B.S. Degree was not required as it is in Charlotte.

Doug Wilder did not run for re-election, but is still in power until such time the new Mayor is sworn in to office. Wilder has been somewhat quiet on the entire Monroe issue, speaking only when absolutely necessary. This in itself is uncharacteristic of a man that normally never shuts up.

The bottom line is that Monroe is not an administrator, and has not got the formal educatio to be an administrator. It appears, by many of his actions, that Monroe wants really to be an extremely high paid cop.

Whether or not Monroe is doing a good job is irrelevant, he did not meet the qualifications that others were required to. No one will ever know if the qualified applicants could have, or would have, done as good or better, because they were passed over for someone (Monroe) that did not meet the qualifications. Presumably, some people may not have applied for the position because they did not have the required college degree. Mr. Monroe not only had an unearned degree, but he lied on his application as to what the unearned degree was actually in. He did not major in Criminal Justice as he wrote on his application. See http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/CMPD/News...

Lloyd Schieldge wrote:

I do not believe Mr. Monroe’s presence at crime scenes is necessary, or appropriate. He is supposed to be an administrator, not a cop. One would not expect the US President to be present on the battle field. Monroe has a police force that is supposed to be qualified to handle crime scene investigations. Monroe would know this if he had taken and passed the appropriate college classes for an earned college degree. Monroe will do no body any good if he receives a bullet up his a$$ from being in, or near, the line of fire. He needs to put his “cop” mentality down and be an administrator. If he cannot trust the men and women he has working for him, he needs to replace them with people he can trust to do the job they are paid for.
It is my understanding that the City of Richmond (Mayor Doug Wilder) wanted Monroe to receive his degree from VCU and then teach courses there. Obviously that did not happen, and likely, and understandably, will not. When Monroe was hired by the City of Richmond (Mayor Doug Wilder), a B.S. Degree was not required as it is in Charlotte.
Doug Wilder did not run for re-election, but is still in power until such time the new Mayor is sworn in to office. Wilder has been somewhat quiet on the entire Monroe issue, speaking only when absolutely necessary. This in itself is uncharacteristic of a man that normally never shuts up.
The bottom line is that Monroe is not an administrator, and has not got the formal educatio to be an administrator. It appears, by many of his actions, that Monroe wants really to be an extremely high paid cop.
Whether or not Monroe is doing a good job is irrelevant, he did not meet the qualifications that others were required to. No one will ever know if the qualified applicants could have, or would have, done as good or better, because they were passed over for someone (Monroe) that did not meet the qualifications. Presumably, some people may not have applied for the position because they did not have the required college degree. Mr. Monroe not only had an unearned degree, but he lied on his application as to what the unearned degree was actually in. He did not major in Criminal Justice as he wrote on his application. See http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/CMPD/News...

Well,well,well you have to remember this is The Big City of Charlotte,
I told you they didn't know what they were doing. And if that is the case in this one, they just needed someone out there to buzz up the crowds , make people happy , to make people in the big city think they are trying to make things better, but they are not. They still just need a show, to put on the media, and fool the public. Just like the Justice System and commisioners. What you say makes so much sense. Never thought of it that way. But I am learning..........

UPDATE

Accreditation agency says VCU handled Monroe situation properly
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By Staff Reports

Published: December 9, 2008

The agency that accredits Virginia Commonwealth University is satisfied with the way the university handled the Rodney Monroe degree case, the president of the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools said today.

The commission decided VCU "had taken adequate steps to ensure that this was indeed a one-time phenomenon," said Belle S. Wheelan, who heads the accrediting commission for the 11-state Southern region.

She said VCU will face no warnings or sanctions as a result of the case.

The decision was announced today at the conclusion of the commission's annual meeting in San Antonio, Texas.

Wheelan said the commission expressed no opinion on whether Monroe, the former Richmond police chief who now heads law-enforcement in Charlotte, N.C., should return the bachelor's degree.

"That's not within our purview," Wheelan said. "That's a university decision."

Monroe was awarded the degree in 2007 even though he failed to meet all academic requirements.

Monroe is weighing options of whether to return the degree, complete the necessary requirements to keep it, or obtain a degree from a different university.

VCU's board of visitors last month approved changes that would make it easier to revoke a degree. It also took steps to hold students accountable for knowing the requirements of the degree they are seeking.

-- Karin Kapsidelis

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Posted by ( Lloyd Schieldge ) on December 09, 2008 at 3:34 pm

Phenomenon? I hardly think so, the City bought him a degree, what is so hard to understand. It is nice however to see that VCU has put acceptable measures in place so that should Richmond get another corrupt mayor that wants to buy a degree for someone, at least VCU can take it away. It is too bad though that Monroe was apparently not able to earn a degree after all this time, bless his heart, I guess he just wasn’t smart enough. poor thing.

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Lloyd Schieldge wrote:

UPDATE
Accreditation agency says VCU handled Monroe situation properly
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By Staff Reports
Published: December 9, 2008
The agency that accredits Virginia Commonwealth University is satisfied with the way the university handled the Rodney Monroe degree case, the president of the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools said today.
The commission decided VCU "had taken adequate steps to ensure that this was indeed a one-time phenomenon," said Belle S. Wheelan, who heads the accrediting commission for the 11-state Southern region.
She said VCU will face no warnings or sanctions as a result of the case.
The decision was announced today at the conclusion of the commission's annual meeting in San Antonio, Texas.
Wheelan said the commission expressed no opinion on whether Monroe, the former Richmond police chief who now heads law-enforcement in Charlotte, N.C., should return the bachelor's degree.
"That's not within our purview," Wheelan said. "That's a university decision."
Monroe was awarded the degree in 2007 even though he failed to meet all academic requirements.
Monroe is weighing options of whether to return the degree, complete the necessary requirements to keep it, or obtain a degree from a different university.
VCU's board of visitors last month approved changes that would make it easier to revoke a degree. It also took steps to hold students accountable for knowing the requirements of the degree they are seeking.
-- Karin Kapsidelis
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Posted by ( Lloyd Schieldge ) on December 09, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Phenomenon? I hardly think so, the City bought him a degree, what is so hard to understand. It is nice however to see that VCU has put acceptable measures in place so that should Richmond get another corrupt mayor that wants to buy a degree for someone, at least VCU can take it away. It is too bad though that Monroe was apparently not able to earn a degree after all this time, bless his heart, I guess he just wasn’t smart enough. poor thing.
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Lloyd,

when do you plan to propose marriage to our chief? I've never seen a case of "man love" like yours. Do you also have a "mandingo" complex?

Sorry, I would never stoop so low.

Nov. 21, 2008 Richmond Times Dispatch -
Monroe, now chief of police in Charlotte/Mecklenburg County, N.C., said last month that he is considering options that include completing the VCU requirements, returning the degree or earning one from another school.
I guess Ole Dumb Dumb forgot he was considering his options. The November Crime Statistics are in. Criminal Homicides increased by 21.3%, Aggravated Assault increased by 4.3%- Rape was however, down 8.1%. Not very impressive especially when you compare Monroe's spending budget to that of his predecessors

Lloyd M Schieldge wrote:

Nov. 21, 2008 Richmond Times Dispatch -
Monroe, now chief of police in Charlotte/Mecklenburg County, N.C., said last month that he is considering options that include completing the VCU requirements, returning the degree or earning one from another school.
I guess Ole Dumb Dumb forgot he was considering his options. The November Crime Statistics are in. Criminal Homicides increased by 21.3%, Aggravated Assault increased by 4.3%- Rape was however, down 8.1%. Not very impressive especially when you compare Monroe's spending budget to that of his predecessors

Our chief of police "man love" crush is back at it. Working overtime to get the chief's attention.
Send him a marriage proposal, Lloyd.

Seems like you are not too far behind me Mr. Bill, and I am already married, but if I were not, I certainly would not look dumb dumb's way.

I will admit that I was very critical of Monroe when he was first hired. I felt like he was hired in a frenzy of "just hire a black man, any black man" after Slick Nick bit the dust.

However I have been impressed with his approach. He is in the field, on the front lines, very visible. And he is making changes. Only time will tell whether or not these changes will help, but at least he is doing something. One thing for sure the old way was not working.

I say let's get off the guy's back and give him a chance. The whole college degree thing is much ado about nothing in my opinion.

Cops belong on the front line, a Chief of Police is an administrator position, he needs to spend his time in the office at his desk utilizing his education to implement techniques to prevent crime. Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have an education, he has a degree someone bought for him.

According to http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/theclog/2008... Charlotte ranked 62 of 385 Cities in crime - Not very impressive.