Vardarska Yes, Macedonia No

No Name wrote:

Southeasternwestsouth of nothing republik

:)

Proud Bulgarian wrote:

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:)

Bulgar - don't be vulgar!

YES MACEDONIA Macedonia !!!!
No Vardarska
Forever Macedonia
Former Turkish colony of Greece

PRIAPOS wrote:

Fak "makedon usm" and the rest history thieves NOW! No mercy for the criminals!

The Balkan wars 1912-1913 , and later ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Macedonians committed by the Greeks, you can find and read this:

“….After the Balkan Wars, Macedonia was completely devastated. Besides the tens of thousands killed in the war, there were several hundreds of thousands of refugees (more than 135,000 Macedonians and a small number of Bulgarians from Thrace escaped from the Aegean part of Macedonia occupied by the Greek army alone). There were numerous cases of genocide towards the Macedonian population in the territories occupied by the Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian armies and, according to the Carnegie Commission, several towns like Voden, Negush, Ber, Enidze Vardar, Dojran, etc., more than 200 villages (out of which around 170 villages with 17,000 homesteads in the Aegean part of Macedonia) were completely destroyed. In June 1913 the Greek army burnt to ashes the Macedonian town of Kukush with its 1,846 houses, 612 shops, 6 factories, etc. At the same time 4,000 houses were burned to the ground in the Seres vicinity. The tragic outcome of the Balkan Wars was a real national catastrophe for Macedonia. The unresolved Macedonian question continued to be "an apple of discord" for the Balkan states. It remained in the whirlpool of events which were of fatal importance both for Macedonia and the future of the Balkans…”

Srbomakedonac wrote:

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The Balkan wars 1912-1913 , and later ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Macedonians committed by the Greeks, you can find and read this:
“….After the Balkan Wars, Macedonia was completely devastated. Besides the tens of thousands killed in the war, there were several hundreds of thousands of refugees (more than 135,000 Macedonians and a small number of Bulgarians from Thrace escaped from the Aegean part of Macedonia occupied by the Greek army alone). There were numerous cases of genocide towards the Macedonian population in the territories occupied by the Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian armies and, according to the Carnegie Commission, several towns like Voden, Negush, Ber, Enidze Vardar, Dojran, etc., more than 200 villages (out of which around 170 villages with 17,000 homesteads in the Aegean part of Macedonia) were completely destroyed. In June 1913 the Greek army burnt to ashes the Macedonian town of Kukush with its 1,846 houses, 612 shops, 6 factories, etc. At the same time 4,000 houses were burned to the ground in the Seres vicinity. The tragic outcome of the Balkan Wars was a real national catastrophe for Macedonia. The unresolved Macedonian question continued to be "an apple of discord" for the Balkan states. It remained in the whirlpool of events which were of fatal importance both for Macedonia and the future of the Balkans…”

Fuente???

lilalo wrote:

'South Central Balcan Republic' should be the name of that fraudulent politico-social concoction.
OR,they should be mure imaginative and create a name for that place in a representative spirit to include everyone who lives there!

First of all take up some English classes because your spelling is terrible.
Second your ISP location is the name of the capital of Libia find names of your own to name your places stop stilling names that are someone's. But anyway you want be able to do so because that is the only thing you now how to do best.

GRKOUBIEC wrote:

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First of all take up some English classes because your spelling is terrible.
Second your ISP location is the name of the capital of Libia find names of your own to name your places stop stilling names that are someone's. But anyway you want be able to do so because that is the only thing you now how to do best.

All you had to do was GOOGLE the name Tripoli Libya history and you would have you're answer.

Early history Tripoli

The city was founded in the 7th century BC, by the Phoenicians, who named it "Oea". They were probably attracted to the site by its fine natural harbor, flanked on the western shore by the small, easily defendable peninsula, on which they established their colony. The city then passed into the hands of the rulers of Cyrenaica (a Greek colony on the North African shore, east of Tripoli, halfway to Egypt). It was wrested away from the Greeks by the Carthaginians, like Tripoli, another Phoenician colony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli

HISTORY

For most of their history, the peoples of Libya have been subjected to varying degrees of foreign control. The Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Greeks, Romans, Vandals, and Byzantines ruled all or parts of Libya. Although the Greeks and Romans left impressive ruins at Cyrene, Leptis Magna, and Sabratha, little else remains today to testify to the presence of these ancient cultures.

Ethnic groups:

Berber and Arab 97%; Greeks, Maltese, Italians, Egyptians, Pakistanis, Turks, Indians, and Tunisians.

Actually, this site is very helpful, since you have no idea about the history of Libya.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm

History

The first inhabitants of Libya were Berber tribes. In the 7th century B.C., Phoenicians colonized the eastern section of Libya, called Cyrenaica, and Greeks colonized the western portion, called Tripolitania. Tripolitania was for a time under Carthaginian control.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107722.html

That wasn't so hard now was it??

Even Jesus was Greek right!
The only similarities with the Arabic people are that you are one of them you are Arabs go and have a look at your skin color.

Macedonski is Shitski wrote:

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All you had to do was GOOGLE the name Tripoli Libya history and you would have you're answer.
Early history Tripoli
The city was founded in the 7th century BC, by the Phoenicians, who named it "Oea". They were probably attracted to the site by its fine natural harbor, flanked on the western shore by the small, easily defendable peninsula, on which they established their colony. The city then passed into the hands of the rulers of Cyrenaica (a Greek colony on the North African shore, east of Tripoli, halfway to Egypt). It was wrested away from the Greeks by the Carthaginians, like Tripoli, another Phoenician colony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli
HISTORY
For most of their history, the peoples of Libya have been subjected to varying degrees of foreign control. The Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Greeks, Romans, Vandals, and Byzantines ruled all or parts of Libya. Although the Greeks and Romans left impressive ruins at Cyrene, Leptis Magna, and Sabratha, little else remains today to testify to the presence of these ancient cultures.
Ethnic groups:
Berber and Arab 97%; Greeks, Maltese, Italians, Egyptians, Pakistanis, Turks, Indians, and Tunisians.
Actually, this site is very helpful, since you have no idea about the history of Libya.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm
History
The first inhabitants of Libya were Berber tribes. In the 7th century B.C., Phoenicians colonized the eastern section of Libya, called Cyrenaica, and Greeks colonized the western portion, called Tripolitania. Tripolitania was for a time under Carthaginian control.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107722.html
That wasn't so hard now was it??

Mr Shitski, How are you sweetie:)

Come on sweetie, you can do better than wiki and infoplease websites:)

So you think that www.state.gov website is very useful? Ok then, read this
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/26759.htm

I can only see ETHNIC Macedonian, not Slav Macedonian Skopjan or anything else you call us, hmmm very interesting isn't it!

Regards
MB

MissBalkan wrote:

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Mr Shitski, How are you sweetie:)
Come on sweetie, you can do better than wiki and infoplease websites:)
So you think that www.state.gov website is very useful? Ok then, read this
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/26759.htm
I can only see ETHNIC Macedonian, not Slav Macedonian Skopjan or anything else you call us, hmmm very interesting isn't it!
Regards
MB

You're correct MB. In FYROM, there are ethic FYROMian's. I was answering a question regarding Tripoli, Libya sweetie!

I'm fine MB, how's yourself?

Macedonski is Shitski wrote:

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You're correct MB. In FYROM, there are ethic FYROMian's. I was answering a question regarding Tripoli, Libya sweetie!
I'm fine MB, how's yourself?

I'm fantastic Mr Shitski:) I know you were answering a question regarding Lybia.

My concern was the website you are using which is www.state.gov . So if the facts regarding Lybia are true to the fact, what is your opinion with The Republic of Macedonian facts?

It's a never ending story isn't it:)

MB

Monkeydonia yes Macedonia no.

MissBalkan wrote:

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I'm fantastic Mr Shitski:) I know you were answering a question regarding Lybia.
My concern was the website you are using which is www.state.gov . So if the facts regarding Lybia are true to the fact, what is your opinion with The Republic of Macedonian facts?
It's a never ending story isn't it:)
MB

FYROM is a country MB, with ethnic Fyromians. Or, as they like to call themselves "Macedonians". Basically.
It's certainly a vicious circle MB.
Yia sou and Pozdrav!

GRKOUBIEC wrote:

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First of all take up some English classes because your spelling is terrible.
Second your ISP location is the name of the capital of Libia find names of your own to name your places stop stilling names that are someone's. But anyway you want be able to do so because that is the only thing you now how to do best.

You wrote Libia wrong!it is Lybia,and 'stilling'
is spelt as 'stealing'
I've made 1 typing mistake to type 'mure' instead of 'more'...etc etc
With you who lives in an English speaking country we have difficulty with your syntax;we sruggle
to understand what it is you're trying to convey.
You are the scum of the Earth there in South Serbia,the most uneducated arrogant idiots and the
last thing that you should be doing is to give advise to others.
Go back to your caves in the Carpathian Mountains,that is your home place.
Macedonia,Athens are absolutely alien to YOU,no connection whatsoever!You just make fools of yourselves slavo-avaro-tataro-mongolo-tur co-gypsies to pretend to a macedonian descendence.
You have never been accepted by the Greeks on that level.Greeks taught you how to read and write,but they've never hellenised you because they did not want you to be hellenised.Your behaviour of looting raiding and murdering since the 6th ce. has ranged you in the eyes of the Greeks in the 'scum of the Earth'category,and that is where you still are.

interesting story

PRIAPOS wrote:

Fak "makedon usm" and the rest history thieves NOW! No mercy for the criminals!

The Balkan wars 1912-1913 , and later ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Macedonians committed by the Greeks, you can find and read this:

“….After the Balkan Wars, Macedonia was completely devastated. Besides the tens of thousands killed in the war, there were several hundreds of thousands of refugees (more than 135,000 Macedonians and a small number of Bulgarians from Thrace escaped from the Aegean part of Macedonia occupied by the Greek army alone). There were numerous cases of genocide towards the Macedonian population in the territories occupied by the Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian armies and, according to the Carnegie Commission, several towns like Voden, Negush, Ber, Enidze Vardar, Dojran, etc., more than 200 villages (out of which around 170 villages with 17,000 homesteads in the Aegean part of Macedonia) were completely destroyed. In June 1913 the Greek army burnt to ashes the Macedonian town of Kukush with its 1,846 houses, 612 shops, 6 factories, etc. At the same time 4,000 houses were burned to the ground in the Seres vicinity. The tragic outcome of the Balkan Wars was a real national catastrophe for Macedonia. The unresolved Macedonian question continued to be "an apple of discord" for the Balkan states. It remained in the whirlpool of events which were of fatal importance both for Macedonia and the future of the Balkans…”

and read this:
“…..(1912 – 13) Two military conflicts that deprived the Ottoman Empire of almost all its remaining territory in Europe. In the First Balkan War, the Balkan League defeated the Ottoman Empire, which, under the terms of the peace treaty (1913), lost Macedonia and Albania. The Second Balkan War broke out after Serbia, Greece, and Romania quarreled with Bulgaria over the division of their joint conquests in Macedonia. Bulgaria was defeated, and Greece and Serbia divided up most of Macedonia between themselves. The wars heightened tensions in the Balkans and helped spark World War I….”

*****If you want, you can see that before 1912,Macedonia ,the oldest European country, was whole entity under the Ottoman’s occupation
*****If you want, you can see that Macedonia was occupied in 1912-13 and divided (partitioned) between Greece and Serbia!(Aegean part of Macedonia fell under Greece occupation for the first time in its history)
*****If you want, you can find out that the Greeks made somewhat around 10% up of the population in Aegean Macedonia in 1912-13.

@SRBOMACEDONAC
Not that it matters a great deal,but with the turn of 1900's,Greece had to fight against the Turks AND the whole Slav conglomerate who wanted to snatch parts of northern Greece treating them as a no man's land based on the advent of Ottoman Rule!During the yeras 1912-3 it was the Bulgarian Commitadji fascist nationalists, who were murdering ethnic Greeks and and putting others through torture to get them to change their 'national conscioussness' and pay allegiance to the Bulgarian Nation!Throughout that period Greece was defending herself proof for that is the loss of about 50% of classical Macedonia today occupied by FYROM approx. 37% and
by Bulgaria approx.13%.If, some slavs beonging to some secret 'mole'slav army were also attacked or notis for the historians to say.

Let's see who can give me a rebuttal to the following series of NY TIMES articles. These are HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED articles from the NY TIMES, in CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.

The following are links to the actual articles that show the series of events that lead to the fighting in the province of Macedonia in 1897, as the Greeks gained independence from Ottoman rule in 1821.
As you can see....the Greeks were the first to fight the Ottomans, dating back to March 25, 1821 with the rise and fight for Independance....the Ottomans then started their ethnic cleansing of the regions in the Balkans in their feeble attempt to stop the uprising in other areas of the region.
So then they started the atrocities with the Bulgarians as they did with the greeks earlier on.
And if ANY OF YOU FYROMIAN BIGOTS DOUBT IT, READ THE FOLLOWING NY TIMES ARTICLES FROM THEIR ARCHIVES......Note that NONE of the "news media" that I use are from the biased view from regions in the Balkans, and the ethnicities of the people there!

1) Attrocities against Bulgarians by Ottomans February 18, 1897
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...

2) Atrocities against Bulgarians by Ottomans Part II, February 20, 1897
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...

3) February 21, 1897
REGION DEMOGRAPHICS (NO "Macedonians" listed)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...

4) February 25, 1897, Bulgarian fears towards SULTAN of Ottoman Rule
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...

5) Bulgaria and Serbia sitting on fence....FIRST TALKS OF MACEDONIAN PROVINCE TO BE PARTITIONED IN ORDER FOR PEACE TO BE ACHIEVED.....(Kinda like today between Albania, Bulgaria and Serbia, since Greece got their historical territories back)
March 30, 1897
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf ...

6) Fighting Begins between GREECE and OTTOMAN EMPIRE, March 31, 1897:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...

7) Escalation of Fighting, between Greece and Ottoman Empire
April 11, 1897
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...
As you can see, no PUNKS-COWARDS from "Macedonia" had the balls to step up and fight the oppresive Ottoman Rule until the Greeks came by and said to them that they CAN get their freedom.
and if you doubt it?

8) Questions on Greek ability to defeat the Ottomans in Balkans
April 20, 1897
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...

9) Bulgaria THREATENS Ottoman Rule
April 23, 1897
(In other words, Bulgaria says "enough is enough" to Ottoman oppresion in the region)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...

10) European Concerns for the region
May 2, 1897
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html ...
NOTE!!! The TITLE in the ARTICLE:
"ALL EUROPE DESIRES THE LAND A Country with No Individual People, for Which Every Nation Is Longing

11) Bulgaria JOINS THE WAR AGAINST OTTOMAN RULE
May 6, 1897
http://www.newspaperarchive.com/LandingPage.a ...\\na0021\2456816\13933032.h tml

The proof is in the title and article listed as #10 in this post:
"ALL EUROPE DESIRES THE LAND A Country with No Individual People for Which Every Nation Is Longing"

but there ARE boundaries between Greece, Albania, Bulgaria Serbia and Turkey......just one more issue/area that needs to get fixed, and then we can move on with our lives.

So FYROMIANS...I guess you can appreciate everyone saying this about you
Oh well, these things happen.

lilalo wrote:

@SRBOMACEDONAC
Not that it matters a great deal,but with the turn of 1900's,Greece had to fight against the Turks AND the whole Slav conglomerate who wanted to snatch parts of northern Greece treating them as a no man's land based on the advent of Ottoman Rule!During the yeras 1912-3 it was the Bulgarian Commitadji fascist nationalists, who were murdering ethnic Greeks and and putting others through torture to get them to change their 'national conscioussness' and pay allegiance to the Bulgarian Nation!Throughout that period Greece was defending herself proof for that is the loss of about 50% of classical Macedonia today occupied by FYROM approx. 37% and
by Bulgaria approx.13%.If, some slavs beonging to some secret 'mole'slav army were also attacked or notis for the historians to say.

The Balkan wars 1912-1913 , and later ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Macedonians committed by the Greeks, you can find and read this:

“….After the Balkan Wars, Macedonia was completely devastated. Besides the tens of thousands killed in the war, there were several hundreds of thousands of refugees (more than 135,000 Macedonians and a small number of Bulgarians from Thrace escaped from the Aegean part of Macedonia occupied by the Greek army alone). There were numerous cases of genocide towards the Macedonian population in the territories occupied by the Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian armies and, according to the Carnegie Commission, several towns like Voden, Negush, Ber, Enidze Vardar, Dojran, etc., more than 200 villages (out of which around 170 villages with 17,000 homesteads in the Aegean part of Macedonia) were completely destroyed. In June 1913 the Greek army burnt to ashes the Macedonian town of Kukush with its 1,846 houses, 612 shops, 6 factories, etc. At the same time 4,000 houses were burned to the ground in the Seres vicinity. The tragic outcome of the Balkan Wars was a real national catastrophe for Macedonia. The unresolved Macedonian question continued to be "an apple of discord" for the Balkan states. It remained in the whirlpool of events which were of fatal importance both for Macedonia and the future of the Balkans…”

and read this in Britannica:

“…Present day Greek Macedonia was formerly part of the larger region of Macedonia that was dominated by the Ottoman Empire between 1371 and 1912. GREEK MACEDONIA WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF THE SECOND BALKAN WAR IN 1913…”

*****If you want,you can see that “GREEK MACEDONIA” is a creation.
*****If you want,you can admit that region called Macedonia was named after the kingdom of Macedonia,the oldest Europian country, originated in the 9 th century BC.
*****If you want,you can admit that the Greeks formed no more than 10% of the population .
*****If you want,you can admit that not a bit of Macedonia had ever been ”GREEK MACEDONIA” before Greece occupied 51% of the whole entity of Macedonia in 1912 year.