5 Major Trucking Companies pushing for EOBRs

5 major trucking companies are pushing for the senate to mandate EOBRs in all trucks in three years. Why would the major players in the trucking industry advocate for something that would hurt the industry? Money. All in all these carriers only have around 100,000 trucks compared to the 10,000,000 that are on American roads. So really they are a small number out here,even with their power in the government and the money they have. But what if they could level the playing field a bit? What if they could hurt what a smaller carrier offers? They have the assets to be able to sit, swap loads, and put on a customers docks for hours. The small carrier does not. This is another example of big business using the government to wipe out competition. In other words, the WalMartting of the trucking industry, the same way Wal Mart hurt their smaller competitors, by making it impossible to compete, and effectively having a near monopoly. It is up to you, the driver, the small carrier owners, or the single truck operators to speak up against this. All of these companies have lots of cash, lots of equiptment,

Sorry, as I continue, they also have Mexican and Chinese fleets, and contracts to put freight on the rail. They will kill off the small fleets by ensuring that they can no longer compete. Speak up, or you will either be forced out or forced to work with smaller wages and less respect

Joe LaForm wrote:

5 major trucking companies are pushing for the senate to mandate EOBRs in all trucks in three years. Why would the major players in the trucking industry advocate for something that would hurt the industry? Money. All in all these carriers only have around 100,000 trucks compared to the 10,000,000 that are on American roads. So really they are a small number out here,even with their power in the government and the money they have. But what if they could level the playing field a bit? What if they could hurt what a smaller carrier offers? They have the assets to be able to sit, swap loads, and put on a customers docks for hours. The small carrier does not. This is another example of big business using the government to wipe out competition. In other words, the WalMartting of the trucking industry, the same way Wal Mart hurt their smaller competitors, by making it impossible to compete, and effectively having a near monopoly. It is up to you, the driver, the small carrier owners, or the single truck operators to speak up against this. All of these companies have lots of cash, lots of equiptment,

you need to not renew your membership with OOIDA or quit letting them brainwash you. they are the ones preaching the things you have just expressed an opinion on. the purpose for the proposed EOBRs is for highway saftey. also the CSA2010 rule is for highway saftey. most american citizens are for the current rule(CSA2010) and the proposed rule EOBRs. they are tired of seeing speeding truckers causing accidents, running over people in cars and killing them.

I have news for you. These are my thoughts, not OOIDA's. If this was for safety, they would have done this years ago. But the truth is, the majority of accidents are caused by the people driving cars. And the accident rates are the LOWEST they have ever been. This industry is safer than it has ever been, so you're argument holds absolutely no water. It's time for you to be honest. This is about big business trying to crush small business owners and take out competition. Why else would big corporations do this??

guest wrote:

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you need to not renew your membership with OOIDA or quit letting them brainwash you. they are the ones preaching the things you have just expressed an opinion on. the purpose for the proposed EOBRs is for highway saftey. also the CSA2010 rule is for highway saftey. most american citizens are for the current rule(CSA2010) and the proposed rule EOBRs. they are tired of seeing speeding truckers causing accidents, running over people in cars and killing them.

Joe LaForm wrote:

I have news for you. These are my thoughts, not OOIDA's. If this was for safety, they would have done this years ago. But the truth is, the majority of accidents are caused by the people driving cars. And the accident rates are the LOWEST they have ever been. This industry is safer than it has ever been, so you're argument holds absolutely no water. It's time for you to be honest. This is about big business trying to crush small business owners and take out competition. Why else would big corporations do this?? <quoted text>

i got my facts

did you reach up into the air and get your facts & figures and studies about most accidents are caused by cars? i got my facts and figures from the NHTSA, NTSB, the FMCSA, and the DOT. according to these government agencies along with highway saftey advocate groups lobbying for saftey,(mothers against unsafe truckers,ect.) there are on average 5000 US citizens killed every year by unsafe truckers and speeding truckers. this is too many unnecesary US highway deaths caused by truckers.

again do you think that our government (FMCSA, DOT) is just going to throw out a strict rule (for truckers) just for the hell of it, or no reason at all? its all about highway saftey, highway saftey for all of us including you. all of you unsafe truckers out there running over loved ones and killing them, running over hours on your log book ect., because of this new rule (CSA2010) and the proposed rule for all trucks in 3 years, EOBRs, you are no longer, we will see your type (unsafe trucker speeding all the time) standing in the kitchen at our local taco bell folding soft shell tacos on a saturday afternoon because your truck driving career will be over, and our highways will be safe.

i would like to thank you FMCSA for the CSA2010 rule, also the proposed EOBRs which we hope to get passed thru, also we are lobbying for 11 hour work days for truckers, instead of 14 hour work days. we would like for you to know that your agency is truly for the people (highway saftey advocate groups and american citizens) and you have listened to us as we have promoted saftey. we are very proud of this government regulation agency! again thank you, we look foward to working with you in the near future on some of our other proposals that will get unsafe truckers off our nations highways.

to our US attorneys, we wish you to investigate OOIDA. we believe they are a part of organized crime, promoting and encouraging O/O truckers to continue to break the law (DOT regulations) in several different ways including running illegal on the log books in order to compete with the free market place.

Wow. You really haven't the slightest clue on what you are talking about. OOIDA's slogan is Run Legal, no matter what. I do not drive tired, I do not run over hours either. Your stats are woefully outdated as well. And since you are concerned with stats, let's give you some current, up to date stats. Almost 98% of car/truck crashes are caused by the driver of the car (AAA STUDY). Every year the accident rate involving trucks has gone down (FMCSA). Every year, Compliance has gone up and in the last year is at a record (FMCSA). Now, let's go somewhere else here. A person who works a double shift at their non-driving job and gets in their car...people texting while driving.....on the laptop, on the phone, eating, reading, putting make up on, breast feeding (while driving) sexual activity (while driving) and on and on and on. These are things people are doing on American highways everyday. The last place their focus is:on the road. My first focus: the road. I have several jobs out here. Here are two. Doing my job safely. Watching out for people who are doing the things listed above, and making sure they don't harm themselves by doing something stupid, like running into me. Are there "unsafe truckers"? Yes. But an extremely small number of them and they are pushed from the industry. Are there unsafe "4-wheelers"? Yes there are, in much greater numbers. And we don't stop them from Driving. At all. How about, instead of using truck drivers as a scapegoat, that you try to get laws changed, like, motion interlock on cellphones. If a worker is on duty for more than 12 hours, that worker may not drive.

Wait, wait, I have more. Actual training for new drivers before they get their driver's license. Breathalyzers in every car. (who knows who is drinking on our roads). Kill switches for engines for law enforcement. You know, in case you are breaking the law. We can go on and on and on. But unless you are willing to do what is necessary to implement safeguards for everyday people who operate personal motor vehicles, don't try to slap on regulations for me to give you a false sense of security when the drivers we need to be concerned with are not the professional drivers who log millions of safe miles every year, but the drivers who take driving as less seriously than the text they are trying to make at 70mph while they are eating and making a phone call.

95 percent of the carriers the operate in the US have fewer than 20 trucks. the mandate to add EOBR's on fleets that small would be cost prohibitive for the safety that would be gained. that is if there would be any gain in safety. Also for the EOBR to be truely efective there would have to be cameras all around and in the cab to prove where the driver is. with EOBR's the driver still has to manually enter change of duty status the same as he/she has to now with paper RODS.

Joe LaForm wrote:

5 major trucking companies are pushing for the senate to mandate EOBRs in all trucks in three years. Why would the major players in the trucking industry advocate for something that would hurt the industry? Money.,

. It's truckers like you that kill people. You want the ability to drive as many hours straight as you can get away with, HOS be damned. Then, when you hit someone because you've been driving for 16 hours, your attitude will be "Oh well, accidents happen". Why don't you save a life and switch to driving a taxi?

Robert Warner wrote:

<quoted text>. It's truckers like you that kill people. You want the ability to drive as many hours straight as you can get away with, HOS be damned. Then, when you hit someone because you've been driving for 16 hours, your attitude will be "Oh well, accidents happen". Why don't you save a life and switch to driving a taxi?

a men brother, the big trucks are running over people and killing them, not only are most of them running over hours on the log books, but they are also speeding, tailgating cars, and running through traffic lights. this type driving behavior is whats causing accidents. did you know that there are aprox 5000 citizens per year that are killed by unsafe truckers? something needs to be done, maybe not only EOBR's but also speed govenors on all big trucks, or maybe tougher regulation, more disqualifying offenses (such as speeding or tailgating in a big truck, if caught they loose their CDL) everytime i see an unsafe trucker performing an unsafe act or driving behavior, i pick up the cell phone and call the company and give the truck and trailer number, and location and time. then i call the highway patrol. you should do the same thing. it will take a united effort to get these unsafe truckers off our highways. we are tired of seeing innocent people being killed by a speeding trucker. a great website to go to is: watchmytruck's u tube channel. unsafe truckers are being recorded, the vedio footage is sent in to the trucking company(along with truck & trailer number), vedio also being sent to the FMCSA, and the state highway patrol. check it out, part of our truck saftey advocate efforts to get unsafe truckers off the highways. we had rather them to be folding soft shell tacos (at taco bell) for a living rather than endangering the lives of the motoring public.

concerned american wrote:

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a men brother, the big trucks are running over people and killing them, not only are most of them running over hours on the log books, but they are also speeding, tailgating cars, and running through traffic lights. this type driving behavior is whats causing accidents. did you know that there are aprox 5000 citizens per year that are killed by unsafe truckers? something needs to be done, maybe not only EOBR's but also speed govenors on all big trucks, or maybe tougher regulation, more disqualifying offenses (such as speeding or tailgating in a big truck, if caught they loose their CDL) everytime i see an unsafe trucker performing an unsafe act or driving behavior, i pick up the cell phone and call the company and give the truck and trailer number, and location and time. then i call the highway patrol. you should do the same thing. it will take a united effort to get these unsafe truckers off our highways. we are tired of seeing innocent people being killed by a speeding trucker. a great website to go to is: watchmytruck's u tube channel. unsafe truckers are being recorded, the vedio footage is sent in to the trucking company(along with truck & trailer number), vedio also being sent to the FMCSA, and the state highway patrol. check it out, part of our truck saftey advocate efforts to get unsafe truckers off the highways. we had rather them to be folding soft shell tacos (at taco bell) for a living rather than endangering the lives of the motoring public.

I run towtrucks responding to AAA and PD calls. Give the truckers a break. You 4 wheelers are driving with rose colored glasses on, or blinders. I also have my CDL-A and the training was extremely intense along with what it took to pass the road test in NYS. I watched a car driver blow a red light right off the bat and then pass their road test. Do trucks go through red lights, yes their stopping distance is much greater than a cars. A 2 second light change leaves no room for large trucks to stop. 1 second reaction time, 1 second for air brakes to react, then speed dependent how long to stop a rig after that. 5000 deaths a year is bad but, in running one insurance recovery rollback I was scraping up 1 per week fatality tow. Cars killing people. The requirements to operate a car 5 hour course, 20 multiple choice questions, and pass a simple driving test. CDL minimum 4 weeks in class, yard time, and daily road rides until an instructor felt you were ready to take the actual road test. 200 hours min vs 6. Wage your nonsense at the root of the problem, not the few easier targets. I respond to 10 a day problems or more and they are not from the professional drivers. AAA calls this month by their po numbers as of two days ago in just upstate NY region 40K. No they aren't fatalities but, they are due to the unskilled operators of POV's like you. Have a nice day. What needs to be done, maybe train all drivers & drug test before allowing them to operate anything bigger than a bicycle.

Truck involved accident totaling a nice K2500 pickup this month. Driver concentration not on what was going on, ran straight into the back of a semi. Similar last month girl texting right into a parked pickup. Both stating I just didn't see them. Other recent 4 cars totaled at a flashing red light crossing a 55mph zone. As I recovered a Neon from the ditch in a blow over area next car plows the back and almost runs me over if I didn't jump back into the F550 wrecker it stopped 2 inches from my door. Brand new outback into the ditch Sheriffs call in near blizzard conditions just thought he could still go 55 with no pavement visible. Right after recovered the next with near illegal tires. Trucks that are heavily regulated, roadside checked frequently are the problem?? Get your facts straight before hounding truckers, I respond to 4 wheelers incapable of common sense or maintaining legal standards for safety all day every day. Many are easily preventable problems. I would like to not run over hours but, you the general public will not use enough sense to let me rest, AAA is unaware I believe, and the owner has to manage some consistent expenses. PD just sais hey driver you need to get some rest, well after this job. Cause 4 wheelers.
Accidents fatal or not:road rage, tailgating, blinding other drivers with high beams, speeding, improperly maintained vehicles, concentration, lack of basic skill or understanding etc etc.....

EAS-E Auto wrote:

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Give the truckers a break. You 4 wheelers are driving with rose colored glasses on, or blinders

I am a truck driver and I see what goes on on the road. Sure some 4 wheelers are goofy, but MOST of them drive ok. On the other hand, MOST truckers drive like idiots. Tailgating, speeding and cutting people off is the norm. Truckers show no courtesy to anyone. Truckers urinate in public even if there is at least 1 bathroom within a 30 second walk. They leave their trash and pee bottles for others to pick up. They are pigs and a hazard to the motoring public. While I do see 4 wheelers screw up occasionally, I see MOST truckers drive dangerously. If any group of people desperately needs to be regulated more than truckers, I've yet to see it.

EAS-E Auto wrote:

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Do trucks go through red lights, yes their stopping distance is much greater than a cars. A 2 second light change leaves no room for large trucks to stop. 1 second reaction time, 1 second for air brakes to react.

No excuse. As a professional truck driver, I have never run a light. Proper and safe approach to intersection is mandatory and doable. A trucker needs to time his speed to allow a stop at a red light. If he/ she can't do that, the they should drive something smaller.

EAS-E Auto wrote:

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I run towtrucks responding to AAA and PD calls. Give the truckers a break. You 4 wheelers are driving with rose colored glasses on, or blinders. I also have my CDL-A and the training was extremely intense along with what it took to pass the road test in NYS. I watched a car driver blow a red light right off the bat and then pass their road test. Do trucks go through red lights, yes their stopping distance is much greater than a cars. A 2 second light change leaves no room for large trucks to stop. 1 second reaction time, 1 second for air brakes to react, then speed dependent how long to stop a rig after that. 5000 deaths a year is bad but, in running one insurance recovery rollback I was scraping up 1 per week fatality tow. Cars killing people. The requirements to operate a car 5 hour course, 20 multiple choice questions, and pass a simple driving test. CDL minimum 4 weeks in class, yard time, and daily road rides until an instructor felt you were ready to take the actual road test. 200 hours min vs 6. Wage your nonsense at the root of the problem, not the few easier targets. I respond to 10 a day problems or more and they are not from the professional drivers. AAA calls this month by their po numbers as of two days ago in just upstate NY region 40K. No they aren't fatalities but, they are due to the unskilled operators of POV's like you. Have a nice day. What needs to be done, maybe train all drivers & drug test before allowing them to operate anything bigger than a bicycle.

ok, what i want to know is, how could it be the car a fault? the air brake has to have time to respond before the big truck rear ends the car? if the big truck was not speeding and or tailgating to begin with, sure the air brakes are not going to respond quick enough. so its the car's fault of the accident? ummm, im a little lost on that one.

guest wrote:

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you need to not renew your membership with OOIDA or quit letting them brainwash you. they are the ones preaching the things you have just expressed an opinion on. the purpose for the proposed EOBRs is for highway saftey. also the CSA2010 rule is for highway saftey. most american citizens are for the current rule(CSA2010) and the proposed rule EOBRs. they are tired of seeing speeding truckers causing accidents, running over people in cars and killing them.

Well then, most American citizens are as brainwashed as you are if they believe there's an epidemic of "speeding truckers" out there killing people.
Car/truck accidents are at record low levels and that's considering that the CAR DRIVER is at fault in 80% of those accidents. Fatigue is cited as a factor in less that 2% of those accidents, and that fatigue is indicated and reported in an unquantifiable manner. Hours of Service rules are arbitrary and have no way of preventing or detecting fatigue, but even if they could EOBRs actually can't do anything increase Hours of Service Compliance. Most falsifications are recording non-driving, on-duty time as off-duty. EOBRs cannot tell whether or not a driver is working or sleeping. They can only tell whether or not the truck is moving. They will have to rely on driver input to make that determination, which makes them no more effective than paper logs.

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<quoted text> did you know that there are aprox 5000 citizens per year that are killed by unsafe truckers?

Did you know that according to many studies, between 75 and 80% of the fatal car/truck wrecks in the US are caused by the car driver? Don't know the exact date/time but the University of Mich. had a study done which verified that. Do you know that the AAA had a study done several years ago, which once they saw the results they tried to suppress, stating the same thing?

Perhaps engaging one's brain before expressing one's wrong "facts" might help you make whatever point it is you're looking to make.

Ye Olde Dave wrote:

QUOTE who="concerned american"
<quoted text> did you know that there are aprox 5000 citizens per year that are killed by unsafe truckers?
Did you know that according to many studies, between 75 and 80% of the fatal car/truck wrecks in the US are caused by the car driver? Don't know the exact date/time but the University of Mich. had a study done which verified that. Do you know that the AAA had a study done several years ago, which once they saw the results they tried to suppress, stating the same thing?
Perhaps engaging one's brain before expressing one's wrong "facts" might help you make whatever point it is you're looking to make.

you need to go into watchmytruck's u tube channel. you will see that the truckers are speeding, following too close, improper lane change, as the guy stated in one of the vedio's, this is where the accidents are comming from, speeding truckers. the evidence is there, on camera, also footage sent to the trucking companies along with tractor and trailer numbers, and time and location. vedio footage is also being sent to the FMCSA, under the new CSA2010 rule, the company and the driver will be charged. the truth has been revealed, unsafe truckers are causing accidents, endangering the lives of public citizens. thank god for the new CSA2010 rule, thank god for the FMCSA enforcement of the new CSA2010 rule, thank god for highway saftey advocate groups (public citizen, and mothers against unsafe truckers) also thank god for watchmytruck's u tube channel.

concerned american wrote:

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you need to go into watchmytruck's u tube channel. you will see that the truckers are speeding, following too close, improper lane change, as the guy stated in one of the vedio's, this is where the accidents are comming from, speeding truckers. the evidence is there, on camera, also footage sent to the trucking companies along with tractor and trailer numbers, and time and location. vedio footage is also being sent to the FMCSA, under the new CSA2010 rule, the company and the driver will be charged. the truth has been revealed, unsafe truckers are causing accidents, endangering the lives of public citizens. thank god for the new CSA2010 rule, thank god for the FMCSA enforcement of the new CSA2010 rule, thank god for highway saftey advocate groups (public citizen, and mothers against unsafe truckers) also thank god for watchmytruck's u tube channel.

Yep, thats the same dude(watchmytruck)who is now charged with attempted murder for shooting at a truck.. CSA rule is only used for inspections performed by a trained LEO.. Not some inbred hillbilly with a video camera..

Exactly.

That watchmytruck guy has a long history of instigating problems for the trucks he is taping and then using those incidents to attempt to blackmail the companies they drive for.

If you ride in a truck's blind spot, drive erratically next to it, or do any number of other actions this man shows himself doing on his own videos, eventually the truck will make some movement to get away from you, even if that movement isn't strictly within the letter of the law. Reason being, it's safer to get away from the idiot than it is to let them keep causing problems for you.