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I couldn't have said it better myself, thank you! Then again, if I would have said it, I would have been branded a racist xenophobe. I apologize for all of the "whitey" idiots that ever persecuted your family for doing things right.
I appreciate your comments but let me clarify. I am Caucasian. So my race is white. My Ethnicity is Italian. Both sides of my family migrated here approx. the same time. My gr8 grandparents.
I took a course in college called Minority Relations. It is one of the best courses I ever studied. All ethinic groups were treated very bad by the "core" culture. The core culture is and always will be people of English descent.
After all, they were the first to settle here and their bloodlines were established far before the Immigration wave. They were in power and had control of this country for many decades. It is important to note that all ethnic groups who came here were treated harshly. Irish, French, Germans, all groups of migrants who came to America for a better chance at life. Which is why at least up in the northeast where I grew up you had ethnic neighborhoods. There was safety in numbers. We refer to America as a melting pot because despite that america is made of many cultures, all ethnic groups and races assimilated into the "core" culture. Above all we are Americans. When someone throws the race card in this day in age it means absolutly nothing in my eyes. I hear Mexicans call their own people racists. I consider the source. I hear the Rev Al throw the race card, I roll my eyes. I think people really need to sharpen up on history to really understand the word racism. It has been watered down by misuse. It is very simple. The vast majority of people in this country want border control. I feel it is very appropriate to single out Mexico. 12 million plus Illegal Aliens from Mexico. If calling a Ethnic group of people for accountability is racist then color me guilty. Americans are a special breed.. Mongrels if you will. They believe in Education, hard work and raising themselves up. They are also generous. Look at the world aid we give when someone has their hand out and throws a rock with the other. I don't think Mexicans get it, and when I say that I am not referring to american citizens of mexican descent. I mean Mexicans from Mexico. With America there is a price. And in my opinion it is not a big one to pay. Raise yourself up. Educate yourself. Be a productive citizen. Work hard. Pay taxes. Americans resent lazy people. America isn't the greatest country in the world because we say it is, it is the greatest country because of the blood and sweat of Legal Immigrants who came here and picked up a hammer or a trowel and from the ground up built this country. They taught their children those values. Americans don't like to feel taken advantage of, used, abused and disrespected. When we do, we fight back. When I walk into someones house I do not deficate in their living room. I treat them and their home with respect. If they feed me a meal I say Thank you and I build a positive relationship with them. I don't hide in their closet and raid the fridge when they go to bed. The relationship will never change because the bottom line is they are coming to our house and in our house you play by our rules until you have earned the right to call it you house too. The first step is to knock on our door and ask nicely to come in, not break in the cellar and hide. I think you will find we will welcome you with open arms. Break in and we are gonna kick your ars back to the border. Don't like the rules? Then stay in your drug infested, lawless,oppressive and corrupt country. In this country you will be called on the carpet. A special message for the people who will still call me a racist. "F" off, I stated my case, I could care less what you think of it. More venom available upon request. All typos approved by Truth.OGI
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This country has more illegal immigrants from all over the world however we target the Mexicans. I guess the Chinese are ok or the eastern European is welcome because they are Caucasian. It’s all about the Mexican, the Mexican this, the Mexican that the Mexican killed a cop. The Russian mob has killed more cops in NYC and no one comments. Yes Global warming that’s the Mexicans fault too. No wonder they hate is all over the world. This country is turning into a 21st century Nazi state. We spent millions during the cold war to bring the Berlin wall down and now we are spending millions to build our own, how ironic.
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James Stricland wrote:
This country has more illegal immigrants from all over the world however we target the Mexicans. I guess the Chinese are ok or the eastern European is welcome because they are Caucasian. It’s all about the Mexican, the Mexican this, the Mexican that the Mexican killed a cop. The Russian mob has killed more cops in NYC and no one comments. Yes Global warming that’s the Mexicans fault too. No wonder they hate is all over the world. This country is turning into a 21st century Nazi state. We spent millions during the cold war to bring the Berlin wall down and now we are spending millions to build our own, how ironic.
Mr Stricland,

You are just a straight up left wing idoit.
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What a load of BS! The illegal aliens are vital to the American economy? LMAO! That's a hoot! Yeah, we depend on millions of poor uneducated foreigners that can't speak english. They are underpaid and don't have insurance. They don't have a driver's license either. The pro amnesty crowd always uses propaganda and rhetoric to try and force amnesty on the American people. We already know the truth, we've seen it for years. Adopt a ZERO tolerance for illegal immigration. Make it impossible for illegal aliens to reside in this country. Anyone that advocates open borders is a fool. Any politician advocating amnesty will be voted out of office. If you are an illegal alien, go back home and come back legally or not at all.

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What a load of BS! The illegal aliens are vital to the American economy? LMAO! That's a hoot! Yeah, we depend on millions of poor uneducated foreigners that can't speak english. They are underpaid and don't have insurance. They don't have a driver's license either. The pro amnesty crowd always uses propaganda and rhetoric to try and force amnesty on the American people. We already know the truth, we've seen it for years. Adopt a ZERO tolerance for illegal immigration. Make it impossible for illegal aliens to reside in this country. Anyone that advocates open borders is a fool. Any politician advocating amnesty will be voted out of office. If you are an illegal alien, go back home and come back legally or not at all.
Agreed, except that I vote for NOT AT ALL.

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James Stricland wrote:
This country has more illegal immigrants from all over the world however we target the Mexicans. I guess the Chinese are ok or the eastern European is welcome because they are Caucasian. It’s all about the Mexican, the Mexican this, the Mexican that the Mexican killed a cop. The Russian mob has killed more cops in NYC and no one comments. Yes Global warming that’s the Mexicans fault too. No wonder they hate is all over the world. This country is turning into a 21st century Nazi state. We spent millions during the cold war to bring the Berlin wall down and now we are spending millions to build our own, how ironic.
Are you really that stupid or do you have a vested interest in protecting illegals (Mexicans??) in this country?
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Like i have always said, The USA must have illegals in order to servive. Reform is a must.

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I just wonder where all of these illegal people are getting SS numbers so they can pay their taxes. Send them all back home if they are here illegally.
they are stealing them, or pruchaceing them on the black market, or even using chitizen family mambers. Each example being a felony or should be.
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Mr Stricland,
You are just a straight up left wing idoit.
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For once you got that right, Venom.
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May 22, 2008
 
Absolutly RIDICULOUS! How are 8.1 million Illegal Aliens with low wages having a 13% impact on our economy? Enough said!!
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May 22, 2008
 
I hope everyone can keep in perspective that America is made up of many cultures, diverse, and what it was founded on (Pilgrims Progress). The Statue of Liberty is a testiment to all those who have a dream and come to this great land legally. So remember to show respect for one another. I am opposed to ILLEGAL immigration, but embrace those who want to come in legally, who have skills and knowledge that can add to this land. Especially those great men who have joined the military and fought for our counry even before gaining citizenship. They appreciate the country even more when they do get the privelege, YES, privelege, of becoming a citizen.
I have a great heritage of Irish, English, German, and American Indian. I am married to a "minority", which I hate referring to him as. But he is still serving in the military after 25 plus years of service.
There is nothing wrong with "migrants", it means nomadic, trying to make a living from job to job. We all are immigrants in some sense of the word, when we re-locate from one state to another. And we still feel the dessension between North and South, our own racial biases within the States. So we need to grow up in some aspects and call things the way they are.
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I appreciate your comments but let me clarify. I am Caucasian. So my race is white. My Ethnicity is Italian. Both sides of my family migrated here approx. the same time. My gr8 grandparents.
I took a course in college called Minority Relations. It is one of the best courses I ever studied. All ethinic groups were treated very bad by the "core" culture. The core culture is and always will be people of English descent.
After all, they were the first to settle here and their bloodlines were established far before the Immigration wave. They were in power and had control of this country for many decades. It is important to note that all ethnic groups who came here were treated harshly. Irish, French, Germans, all groups of migrants who came to America for a better chance at life. Which is why at least up in the northeast where I grew up you had ethnic neighborhoods. There was safety in numbers. We refer to America as a melting pot because despite that america is made of many cultures, all ethnic groups and races assimilated into the "core" culture. Above all we are Americans. When someone throws the race card in this day in age it means absolutly nothing in my eyes. I hear Mexicans call their own people racists. I consider the source. I hear the Rev Al throw the race card, I roll my eyes. I think people really need to sharpen up on history to really understand the word racism. It has been watered down by misuse. It is very simple. The vast majority of people in this country want border control. I feel it is very appropriate to single out Mexico. 12 million plus Illegal Aliens from Mexico. If calling a Ethnic group of people for accountability is racist then color me guilty. Americans are a special breed.. Mongrels if you will. They believe in Education, hard work and raising themselves up. They are also generous. Look at the world aid we give when someone has their hand out and throws a rock with the other. I don't think Mexicans get it, and when I say that I am not referring to american citizens of mexican descent. I mean Mexicans from Mexico. With America there is a price. And in my opinion it is not a big one to pay. Raise yourself up. Educate yourself. Be a productive citizen. Work hard. Pay taxes. Americans resent lazy people. America isn't the greatest country in the world because we say it is, it is the greatest country because of the blood and sweat of Legal Immigrants who came here and picked up a hammer or a trowel and from the ground up built this country. They taught their children those values. Americans don't like to feel taken advantage of, used, abused and disrespected. When we do, we fight back. When I walk into someones house I do not deficate in their living room. I treat them and their home with respect. If they feed me a meal I say Thank you and I build a positive relationship with them. I don't hide in their closet and raid the fridge when they go to bed. The relationship will never change because the bottom line is they are coming to our house and in our house you play by our rules until you have earned the right to call it you house too. The first step is to knock on our door and ask nicely to come in, not break in the cellar and hide. I think you will find we will welcome you with open arms. Break in and we are gonna kick your ars back to the border. Don't like the rules? Then stay in your drug infested, lawless,oppressive and corrupt country. In this country you will be called on the carpet. A special message for the people who will still call me a racist. "F" off, I stated my case, I could care less what you think of it. More venom available upon request. All typos approved by Truth.OGI
I couldn't have said it better myself. That was an excellant post and I agree with you completely
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Sorry, but with out those hard working immigrant workers,most american man would not works in the mad and so on. They do succrifies their family, just o make a a buck in the US. so bring on more immigrant to works.
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Dose anyone of you SCREAMING about this article and numbers, have a REAL research? If not THE STOP SCREAMING and get educated so you wont have to worry about some poor migrant taking away YOUR HIGH PAYING JOB. GET IT ??
I agree!!! quit whining..when you loose out on that great opportunity to pick lettuce then you can complain!!
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"Liberty and Justice for ALL" just for some actually. i think we forget the root of the problem i think we forget the foundation on wich this great country was established and began its sprout. i think we forget what "One nation under God" really means. We forget where and from who the united states was formed i think we give mexico little credit for their failure as a government and from there the existence of what the united states of america is today. but what is it really what is america? it is a country that looks only for personal growth and self glorification. a country that has filled its house with prejudice and hatred and not to only towards illegals but to itself. we have no rights to have this land we claim boundaries with blood and steel yet we forget the history we forget who was here first and whose land americans really took.the truth of the matter is that america is under pocession, but not of the american people but by the hand of opression and the legions of hate that it in itself has spawned.
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One simple question? Does ANYBODY in here posting on the side of the illegals have the ability to write in complete, coherent sentences so the rest of us don't just laugh you out the door before you can even state your pathetic arguments about how those here criminally have a "right" to anything that is afforded citizens of this nation?
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I am upset that we are not allowed to stand up for our own religion, our own flag, nor our own language. But if we burned a flag in Mexico, we would either be thrown in jail - or worse, never heard from again. We have to be "sensitive" of every one else's rights, but there is no favor returned in our own country while they "visit" or live amongst us. That angers me. I watch on TV as people burn Old Glory in protest and it is illegal to do so. But they have the "right" to freedom of speech! When in Rome, do as the Romans. That means respect the damned culture. If I were to visit a foreign country, I would have to learn their language in order to shop in the market places, otherwise be warned I could be taken advantage of for my lack of learning the language. They would cut me no slack. If I were in Muslim country, I would have to wear a burqa as a female, regardless of my origon, as a rule of the land. But here, we are catering to our newspapers being bi-lingual, English and Spanish. Our street signs, even our phone books!
We took down Christmas Trees at Seatac International Airport as it offended a Jew. We buckled. When we stand for nothing, we fall for everything. We can ask for respect and STILL show respect to other cultures, religions, and value. I don't see it happening.

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Speak for yourself jack-A**. My family migrated her legally and were treated terrible by the "core" culture. They worked hard and did their part to build this country 4 generations ago. No assistance, no crying, no welfare and no pointing the finger and cry racisim or prejudice. You are one who will never get it, Americans do not want to close the borders. They want accountability and they want Immigrants to respect the laws of our sovereign nation. More venom available upon request. All typos approved by Truth.OGI
How did your family respected the law. When they came, Italians, Jews irish they created gangs run the bootleg operations.
They built little neigbours with their fruits and food where everyone spoke their home language how did they assimilate.
Please.
The difference is before they were needed to build the fortunes of the English, now is all built so immigrants are not longer wanted.
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"Liberty and Justice for ALL" just for some actually. i think we forget the root of the problem i think we forget the foundation on wich this great country was established and began its sprout. i think we forget what "One nation under God" really means. We forget where and from who the united states was formed i think we give mexico little credit for their failure as a government and from there the existence of what the united states of america is today. but what is it really what is america? it is a country that looks only for personal growth and self glorification. a country that has filled its house with prejudice and hatred and not to only towards illegals but to itself. we have no rights to have this land we claim boundaries with blood and steel yet we forget the history we forget who was here first and whose land americans really took.the truth of the matter is that america is under pocession, but not of the american people but by the hand of opression and the legions of hate that it in itself has spawned.
Once again we have a lib who just doesn't get it. Blah blah blah with your throwing the race card. Typical unproductive banter from a left winger who obviously has a low opinion of americans or has not taken the time to learn the issues. Psssst, Your race card is the joker. Have a nice day. More venom available upon request. All typos approved by Truth.OGI
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Real research? Like using a calculator to check the articles veracity?$1.8 trillion divided by the 8.1 million illegals that the article claims would require that each illegal (man, woman, and child) impact the economy by more than $222,000/year. Personally I'd like to know how that is possible. If the numbers are accurate (which I very much doubt) then it's obviously more than low wage jobs that illegals are taking.
It's not how much they earn you dopehead, it's how much wealth they generate. Take for example a worker at a maquiladora in Juarez working at a plant that makes television sets. He/she earns $50 USD a week, but makes products that amount to tens of thousands of dollars a week. Same thing.
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