Poll: Americans losing confidence in Obama

We need another stimulus 1-2 Trillion. Right after health care passes. Conservatives are uneducated ninny pants.

Obama wrote:

We need another stimulus 1-2 Trillion. Right after health care passes. Conservatives are uneducated ninny pants.

$160,000 Per Stimulus Job? White House Calls That 'Calculator Abuse'
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/...

After a flurry of stimulus spending, questionable projects pile up
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Af...

GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:

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This question is coming from someone having difficulties with reading comprehension, does not know how to ad 1+1,(just like STONEMAN) does not know principle from principal, does not understand the difference between Socialism and Keynesian economics, but he claims to be a straight thinking conservative, sounds like the mentality, or lack thereof, of president Bush rubbed off on several folks in these fora.

The Brainwashed Poison and Lies of Rectum Liberalism

It seems all enslaved and unconscious liberals WANTED to believe "Bush Lied - Soldiers Died" propaganda, except for the Dittohead, pea-brain Obama liberals in Congress who voted to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and still continue to fund the war and soldiers still continue to die...

The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush Doctrine, suspension of Habeas Corpus, Patriot Act, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook, warrant-less wiretapping, Military Commissions Act, CAFTA, and opening private mail... etc.

Just where is the Skank and lies about war, tire gauges, an apple a day healthcare and dependency on outsourced energy?

Do the Fascist Liberals want to Hijack foreign oil fields with the tools of war to sustain America's dependency on outsourced oil, with continued war and world terrorism?

If Bush/Chaney had lied, they would not have stayed in office 8 years with complacent Liberal Congress approval...

Are you the enslaved, unconscious idiot?

"Bush lied" is a phantom propaganda dream your Obama liberal congress still denies to this day...

Bush lied is a fanciful wishful, unconscious desire, by the enslaved liberal ignominious to pretend, have delusions and phantoms, to misrepresent and hide the insidious actions of their beloved Fascist, liberal do nothing Obama Congress ...AND... the Flip Flop brainwashed Hope of Barack Insane Obama in his own changing words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Obama lies... Soldiers Still DIE!!!

Obama has not reversed the Bush Policies, Bush Doctrine, Gitmo, Triple Digit Defecits, Patriot Act, No Troop Withdrawl, Promises, etc...

Just more of the same with... No Hope and Change...

The Poison and Ignorance of Warmongering Liberalism

GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:

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You are right Stoneman, the recycling process is not 100% perfect, can't dispute that.
But let me ask you, what do you do if after working on some design for several months you realize it is not 100% perfect, do you just scrap many months of work or do you try to improve the design if possible?
Do you think that may be the reason why the government (us) are funding the research and design of a better more efficient battery?
Do you think that present day batteries can not be improved upon?
This ought to present a challenge to an engineering mind such as yours.

Of course progress can be made in battery technology. But you are missing the point-- we have a huge source of potential energy that is a proven technology, very safe, and can be put in service immediately. NUCLEAR ENERGY.

And the only reason we don't use it as most of the rest of the world has is because ignorant people are blocking it.

Stop pouring billions into ideas that may or may not work 10-20 years from now and start solving the problem with something that we have TODAY.

Did you know the fuel on the recently-launched USS GHWBush (90,000 ton aircraft carrier) will last for TWENTY YEARS and propel the huge ship around the world for that length of time? And the size of the fuel could fit in a minivan?

Why don't you get your buddies to stop objecting to things they don't understand?

ritedownthemiddle wrote:

<quoted text>Abner, you seem like a sensible person. So, let's attempt to have a little rational dialogue. I'm growing tired of the banter and insults strewn about on Topix....and may give up the medium altogether because of it. Issues, brief summations, and short rebuttals. Is that okay?
1st...you assert that the Ford-Carter-Reagan data speaks for itself. What data do you speak of? What stats are you looking at? Tell me how, in your opinion, each man's policies as President led to your conclusion.
Ron Paul....we have some commin ground!!! He may not ever be electable, but I like his appraoch to taxation and how government should run. I believe that most people want this.....problem is the system has sold us out. What to do???
You state that you oppose the Fed. Reserve but support him....Ron Paul. Please explain, or understand, that Paul represents fair taxation while the Fed controls monetary policy. They are not one in the same.
Carter was no more of a victim of propoganda than any other POYUS on either side.
USSR was due to Reagan/Thatcher policies....not Jimmy.
China relations are thanks to Nixon....give the guy credit for something.
Israel-Egypt accord.....that deal was sealed in '68. It may have not been public but Carter did little, if anything, but make it so. This is sort of like Iran today. Akmadinejad knows the score, but he will revile the west as long as it will help get him elected.
FYI....people think that Iran, China, and Afghanistan are our problem going forward. Not true. If you want to know the truth, Turkey is the biggest impedement to U.S./World balance over the next 20 years.
There is a good reason Obama is dithering over the Afghan situation. Most ridicule him about this, but it's actually the smartest thing he's done as POTUS.

All of the above observations are over-shadowed by one glaring threat to our world as we know it. Not only in this country, but around the world. That threat is the advancement of Islam. The Muslim "invasion" of every square "inch" of soil on the planet will bring the entire structure and everything good and decent that now exists to it's demise.

We can engage in hours of discussion about the ills, past and present, in the world...... but it is all meaningless unless this one very real threat is stopped.

Florida wrote:

<quoted text>The Brainwashed Poison and Lies of Rectum Liberalism
It seems all enslaved and unconscious liberals WANTED to believe "Bush Lied - Soldiers Died" propaganda, except for the Dittohead, pea-brain Obama liberals in Congress who voted to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and still continue to fund the war and soldiers still continue to die...
The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush Doctrine, suspension of Habeas Corpus, Patriot Act, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook, warrant-less wiretapping, Military Commissions Act, CAFTA, and opening private mail... etc.
Just where is the Skank and lies about war, tire gauges, an apple a day healthcare and dependency on outsourced energy?
Do the Fascist Liberals want to Hijack foreign oil fields with the tools of war to sustain America's dependency on outsourced oil, with continued war and world terrorism?
If Bush/Chaney had lied, they would not have stayed in office 8 years with complacent Liberal Congress approval...
Are you the enslaved, unconscious idiot?
"Bush lied" is a phantom propaganda dream your Obama liberal congress still denies to this day...
Bush lied is a fanciful wishful, unconscious desire, by the enslaved liberal ignominious to pretend, have delusions and phantoms, to misrepresent and hide the insidious actions of their beloved Fascist, liberal do nothing Obama Congress ...AND... the Flip Flop brainwashed Hope of Barack Insane Obama in his own changing words...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Obama lies... Soldiers Still DIE!!!
Obama has not reversed the Bush Policies, Bush Doctrine, Gitmo, Triple Digit Defecits, Patriot Act, No Troop Withdrawl, Promises, etc...
Just more of the same with... No Hope and Change...
The Poison and Ignorance of Warmongering Liberalism

Thank you, Florida.....Yes, the liberals love to heap blame on "Bush" forgetting that everything he did was with the blessings of the Democratic congress. Very convenient.

Obama has fulfilled two campaign promises, however. He has taken Mizz Michelle on a "date night", and has obtained a dog for his children. So, you see, he is making progress.

Stoneman wrote:

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Of course progress can be made in battery technology. But you are missing the point-- we have a huge source of potential energy that is a proven technology, very safe, and can be put in service immediately. NUCLEAR ENERGY.
And the only reason we don't use it as most of the rest of the world has is because ignorant people are blocking it.
Stop pouring billions into ideas that may or may not work 10-20 years from now and start solving the problem with something that we have TODAY.
Did you know the fuel on the recently-launched USS GHWBush (90,000 ton aircraft carrier) will last for TWENTY YEARS and propel the huge ship around the world for that length of time? And the size of the fuel could fit in a minivan?
Why don't you get your buddies to stop objecting to things they don't understand?

Thanks, Stoneman.

Difficult to penetrate the stubborn resolve of some posters, but, I guess worth the effort.

We also have a naturally renewing energy source under our feet in the form of natural gas. We have natural gas wells on almost every property where I live (rural area). The folks out here who don't own mineral rights, have had invasive wells drilled on their properties, but, those of us that do own the rights, have been compensated for invisible, non-intrusive pipelines carrying natural gas to where it is needed....

Until solar generation finds a better method of storage and availability of the energy it creates at the time it is needed, it has that one inherent flaw, or difficulty. I do believe it is worthy of development, especially here where the sun shines 99% of the time year round.

Mike wrote:

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$160,000 Per Stimulus Job? White House Calls That 'Calculator Abuse'
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/...
After a flurry of stimulus spending, questionable projects pile up
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Af... .

The WH loathes having their feet held to the fire, or being exposed for the idiots they are....however, it is a worthy endeavor, without the exposure, we may all be inclined to actually believe they are acting with our best interest at heart.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Voice of Sanity wrote:

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All of the above observations are over-shadowed by one glaring threat to our world as we know it. Not only in this country, but around the world. That threat is the advancement of Islam. The Muslim "invasion" of every square "inch" of soil on the planet will bring the entire structure and everything good and decent that now exists to it's demise.
We can engage in hours of discussion about the ills, past and present, in the world...... but it is all meaningless unless this one very real threat is stopped.

Agreed. That's why I noted that Turkey poses the bigger long term threat to world balance as we know it. Turkey, which is 99% Muslim has the geographical, political, and economic ability to advance what you speak of. They are not a current hot topic.....but this country must be watched. They will be a force to be reckoned with in about 5-8 years all things remaining equal.

Obama reigns!

fedupwiththemess wrote:

Obama reigns!

I'm glad you're happy about it.

Go Don Go wrote:

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Please name one "credible" economist that has stated that.
Also, who were the players in Congress that kept the purse strings closed while Clinton was on the prowl?

Brad DeLong has been vocal all along about Bush's policy of deficit spending and borrowing billions from China and Saudi Arabia..turns out he was right all along. He implored Bush to re-adopt Clinton's policy of fiscal responsibility and Gore's which he endorsed.

Jim Heckman is another well know economist that warned about deficit spending and de-regulation and blatant lack of oversight.

Paul Krugman is an obvious name on the economic front..and was a pro-Gore economic figure. Of course Krugman has been rounded up and chastised along with Frank, Greenspan, Dodd, etc. by everyone from Rush and Hannity to Beck as being responsible for the meltdown.

Phil Grahm wrote Bush's deregulation bill. One of the reasons I voted against McCain is that he intended to name Grahm his Chief Economic Advisor. Grahm said in June 08 that Americans are "whiners" and our economy "has never been stronger".
http://community.meridianstar.com/eve/forums/...

Gore's choice for Chief Economic Advisor was Dan Trullo. Personally, I was a little unconvinced, mostly because of his pro-Fed views..but otherwise seemed cerebral and straight-forward. Turns out he's another who was spot on as to the dangers of Bush's policies.

Easy to say "what if"..had Gore won..but in retrospect, it's hard to deny that Bush's economy brought this country to the edge of a collapse that would have made the Great Depression pale in comparison.

Sounds like anyone who disagrees with the current policies is going to be targeted and tracked. Recieved this in my junk mail...whatya think?

Re: Obama Administration Moves to Track Internet Critics
The Obama Administration is taking careful note of its critics. The real question is why.
Evidence continues to mount, for example, that official Washington is determined to identify and target free speech on the Internet – especially when it is unfavorable to statist policies. Details of new developments follow:
In October, the Federal Trade Commission announced new rules to "protect" consumers on the Internet. Beginning in December, people who write on the Internet (Facebook, Twitter, and all form of blogs) are subject to new federal "financial relationship" reviews.
Under this scheme, the FTC and other agencies will track the comments of private citizens on the Internet with the goal of forcing disclosure of any financial arrangements they may have with sellers.(Newspapers which do book reviews and restaurant ratings, for example, of potential financial benefit to third parties, are exempt from these new regulations.)
A Washington Times analysis of the FTC policy warned "Even Google tracks only a small portion of new posts, comments, video podcasts and other online chatter added to the Internet every day. Now a bunch of Washington bureaucrats think they are going to be police in a neighborhood that is so big no one can measure it."
In short, if bloggers or other users of the Internet comment on things that might benefit a third party financially (a gigantic grey area), the FTC claims the right to "check out individuals' finances, examine what they've received in the mail, and review what they've posted on the Internet for evidence of 'corporate taint,'" the Washington Times noted, adding "The more commercial, popular, long-standing, and successful a blogger or tweeter is, the more likely he will fall under the new rules."
The National Legal and Policy Center is warning that the White House has solicited detailed bids and plans from 20 private-sector technology companies to scour the Internet for comments by private citizens. The new technology will "crawl" across the Internet and "capture" content which is related to the President for analysis.
As a recent NewsMax story by Kenneth F. Timmerman notes, Americans who "sound off" about White House policies they don't like, especially on social networking sites, are going to be identified, cataloged, and tracked by White House aides. Or as Ken Boehm of the National Legal and Policy Center says, "This is Moveon.org at the White House."
Fellow readers, the Administration is packed to the gills with left-wing operatives who are not afraid of using the levers of government to trash critics. Even the normally nonpartisan White House counsel's office has hired as a "research director" a radical-left 29-year-old activist with no legal credentials, Shuana Daly. As the Washington Times noted, "Her sole experience has been as an opposition researcher for Democratic political campaigns... she helped dig up dirt on rivals."
I'll keep you posted on these and related developments.
Yours in Freedom and Prosperity,

Lee Bellinger, Publisher
Independent Living

fedupwiththemess wrote:

Obama reigns!

We'll be laughing when your king says to his adoring zealots, "Off with their heads!"

More proof of the racist elements against Obama:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo ...
This should not be tolorated and those responsible jailed.

GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:

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It just so happens that there are other patriots who believe strongly in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They support Obama and don't think he is trashing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, nor do they think Obama has a socialist agenda.
Sounds like a matter of opinion to me.

No it is a matter of opinion. The Constitution is very clear and so is the Bill of Rights. The problem that the FEderal Governmment under ALL adminstration Democrat and Republican has been allowed to assume responsiblities that was never intented by our founding fathers. We the patriots are waking up and saying if Obama agenda goes through we are no longer a Republic but (if we are lucky) a South American Socialistic Banana Republi at best. My children will never I a better life than I had. You may like this for your children but I do not. He has be stopped at all cost. 2010 and 2012 cannot come soon enough. I am a patriot Mother who will fight to the death to perserve this great country for my kids.

Stoneman wrote:

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Of course progress can be made in battery technology. But you are missing the point-- we have a huge source of potential energy that is a proven technology, very safe, and can be put in service immediately. NUCLEAR ENERGY.
And the only reason we don't use it as most of the rest of the world has is because ignorant people are blocking it.
Stop pouring billions into ideas that may or may not work 10-20 years from now and start solving the problem with something that we have TODAY.
Did you know the fuel on the recently-launched USS GHWBush (90,000 ton aircraft carrier) will last for TWENTY YEARS and propel the huge ship around the world for that length of time? And the size of the fuel could fit in a minivan?
Why don't you get your buddies to stop objecting to things they don't understand?

Thank you Stoneman. I know that the feds are not investing in any nuclear energy. A very large project for R & D of nuclear energy is not longer being funded even though the energy profile for savings was outstanding. No new technology for nuclear is being funded. If project is not on the "politic green energy list" there is not funding available which today is SOLAR, SOLAR, SOLAR. Anyone out there every ran the numbers on the cost advantages of solar energy. I have and they are not all that great. Our local electric company is offering to put solar panels on low income family houses for free. They estimate the cost savings be to able $30 per month. WOW!. Also what they are not telling the public is that the life of solar panels is about 5 to 8 years and then they have to be replaced. Another feel good exercise that we the taxpayers are paying for. They could at least offer it to home owners who can afford the upkept and the replace of the solar panels excuse me what are I think of....that would not be feel good. That would be subsidizing the rich.

ritedownthemiddle wrote:

<quoted text>Abner, you seem like a sensible person. So, let's attempt to have a little rational dialogue. I'm growing tired of the banter and insults strewn about on Topix....and may give up the medium altogether because of it. Issues, brief summations, and short rebuttals. Is that okay?
1st...you assert that the Ford-Carter-Reagan data speaks for itself. What data do you speak of? What stats are you looking at? Tell me how, in your opinion, each man's policies as President led to your conclusion.
Ron Paul....we have some commin ground!!! He may not ever be electable, but I like his appraoch to taxation and how government should run. I believe that most people want this.....problem is the system has sold us out. What to do???
You state that you oppose the Fed. Reserve but support him....Ron Paul. Please explain, or understand, that Paul represents fair taxation while the Fed controls monetary policy. They are not one in the same.
Carter was no more of a victim of propoganda than any other POYUS on either side.
USSR was due to Reagan/Thatcher policies....not Jimmy.
China relations are thanks to Nixon....give the guy credit for something.
Israel-Egypt accord.....that deal was sealed in '68. It may have not been public but Carter did little, if anything, but make it so. This is sort of like Iran today. Akmadinejad knows the score, but he will revile the west as long as it will help get him elected.
FYI....people think that Iran, China, and Afghanistan are our problem going forward. Not true. If you want to know the truth, Turkey is the biggest impedement to U.S./World balance over the next 20 years.
There is a good reason Obama is dithering over the Afghan situation. Most ridicule him about this, but it's actually the smartest thing he's done as POTUS.

I appreciate civil dialog as well.

It sure wasn't my intention to banter and insult..

Up until a couple years ago..I posted daily on this forum, but these days I'll check in now and then but only submit a post on occasion. Usually, it's an exercise in futility. Inevitably, what begins as intelligent dialog quickly digresses into political mudslinging. I've seen many people disappear from these threads..I'm sure you or I won't be the last.

Pointless.

The Ford/Carter/Reagan data I referred to was provided in the links I provided on post 3247.

Ron Paul has always been anti-fed. He's really the one on the front lines..which in my opinion, is one of the main reasons the GOP thwarted his presidential efforts.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/fiat-mon...

I also agree that Turkey is one the biggest impediments to U.S./World balance..and will be for at least the next decade.

Abner wrote:

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Brad DeLong has been vocal all along about Bush's policy of deficit spending and borrowing billions from China and Saudi Arabia..turns out he was right all along. He implored Bush to re-adopt Clinton's policy of fiscal responsibility and Gore's which he endorsed.
Jim Heckman is another well know economist that warned about deficit spending and de-regulation and blatant lack of oversight.
Paul Krugman is an obvious name on the economic front..and was a pro-Gore economic figure. Of course Krugman has been rounded up and chastised along with Frank, Greenspan, Dodd, etc. by everyone from Rush and Hannity to Beck as being responsible for the meltdown.
Phil Grahm wrote Bush's deregulation bill. One of the reasons I voted against McCain is that he intended to name Grahm his Chief Economic Advisor. Grahm said in June 08 that Americans are "whiners" and our economy "has never been stronger".
http://community.meridianstar.com/eve/forums/...
Gore's choice for Chief Economic Advisor was Dan Trullo. Personally, I was a little unconvinced, mostly because of his pro-Fed views..but otherwise seemed cerebral and straight-forward. Turns out he's another who was spot on as to the dangers of Bush's policies.
Easy to say "what if"..had Gore won..but in retrospect, it's hard to deny that Bush's economy brought this country to the edge of a collapse that would have made the Great Depression pale in comparison.

ABNER:

Good post, unfortunately your efforts are for naught.

In case you have not noticed, many of the posters here are Rush Limbaugh's acolytes, the first thing they will do is invalidate the economists you mentioned by labeling them "liburals," "Socialists" or some such nonsense.

As I mentioned elsewhere, many of these parrots are unclear on the differences between Socialism and Keynesian economics.

The main thing to remember is that most of them have a visceral dislike for Obama, so no matter what you say, nor how convincing and factual your arguments might be, the Rushistas will persist in their attempts to discredit you and president Obama.

Abner wrote:

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I appreciate civil dialog as well.
It sure wasn't my intention to banter and insult..
Up until a couple years ago..I posted daily on this forum, but these days I'll check in now and then but only submit a post on occasion. Usually, it's an exercise in futility. Inevitably, what begins as intelligent dialog quickly digresses into political mudslinging. I've seen many people disappear from these threads..I'm sure you or I won't be the last.
Pointless.
The Ford/Carter/Reagan data I referred to was provided in the links I provided on post 3247.
Ron Paul has always been anti-fed. He's really the one on the front lines..which in my opinion, is one of the main reasons the GOP thwarted his presidential efforts.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/fiat-mon...
I also agree that Turkey is one the biggest impediments to U.S./World balance..and will be for at least the next decade.

Thanks, Abner.
I'll go back and read the links you provided before responding to those points.

Do you think Ron Paul would be electable? I'd campaign for him, but I think he's sort of like a "Ross Perot" in that he can't get traction in the area of mass appeal. My father-in-law is a childhood friend of Perot. In fact he gave a speech about two weeks ago before Perot was honored for something or another. He made a lot of sense during his election runs, but never got into the mainstream consience. My fear is Ron Paul has a similar impedement.