Kasich, Gee will push aligning colleges, needed job skills

Stuck in the Stone Age wrote:

(Saying again): So, does this mean Gee and other Ohio university and college presidents are going to cease the offering of worthless degrees, e.g., ethnic studies, sports management, etc., and instead, push only those that are needed and will allow the student to compete with others around the nation and world? Until academia returns to its paramount mission, it is nothing more than a business, compromised like a physician who also holds a MBA (i.e., in it for the money rather than for the spirit of service provided to the citizens).

Then they can change the name from The Ohio State University to The Ohio State Joint Vocational School. Perhaps, however, they should keep the NFL and NBA training classes.

Ecolier wrote:

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One suspects that as a senior administrator the Dean is an academic CEO and rainmaker, under contract, just like any other corporation. it is doubtful that he teaches,even at the graduate level.The fundraising responsibilities eat up most of their time, and the bonus may be connected to how much new funding he brings in.

Much of The O.S.U budget comes from what students pay to attend. It's called tuition.

Leaders in the education field need to wake up and begin performing their responsibilities. The alignment of educational needs should be at least 75% of the university president responsibilities. It they begin doing their jobs, alignment would not be a problem and the skills being delivered would be contemporary. To say, "To combat this problem, Kasich promised to convene a meeting with Gee, University of Cincinnati President Greg Williams, Stark State College President John O'Donnell and representatives of companies such as Honda, Nationwide, Swagelok and Diebold." This will do very little to fix the problem, it needs to be in that natural DNA of the presidents, administators, instructor and all other individuals involved in the process. Also, the companies mentioned are certatinly not representative of the global needs-please.

Taxpayer wrote:

We need more White American Doctors & Nurses!

How about, "We need more doctors and nurses"?

The 80,000 number is really really suspect. Probably includes counting duplicate ads on multiple Internet job boards.

Back in the 70s somebody declared that the future was for key punch operators and Ohio must train tens of thousands of key punch operators. Didn't that work out well?

Letting the Chamber of Commerce and politicians run Ohio universities is a really really bad idea.

Ecolier wrote:

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One suspects that as a senior administrator the Dean is an academic CEO and rainmaker, under contract, just like any other corporation. it is doubtful that he teaches,even at the graduate level.The fundraising responsibilities eat up most of their time, and the bonus may be connected to how much new funding he brings in.

For $395,000 I could go to fundraising parties all the time and they wouldn't have to give me a bouns!

It seems our governor has not done his education(pre- and post-election) on the postsecondary education system in Ohio. If he had he would have learned that, and understood how, for many many years, Ohio's colleges, especially community colleges, have been partnering with businesses and creating programming and training to educate skilled workers based on community and business needs. This is not your novel idea Mr. Kasich!... and guess what, they have thought of satellite campuses as well!! Just check to see how many colleges already have them. Give Ohio's postsecondary education system some credit. Even the spokesperson for Honda acknowledges that they have been partnering with over 5 community colleges for years and have been able to fill the skilled worker positions they have. Nothing this governor says is new or creative... 4 years of this is going to be scary.

Ecolier - there are for-profit institutions who are not doing their jobs, however, when the same accreditation sources that approve Ohio State's accreditation are certifying to the Department of Education that those institutions meet all of their criteria for accreditation, the problem goes beyond profits. The amendment to the Higher Education Act of 1965 that requires only for-profit institutions of higher education to prove gainful employment by their students needs further amendment to cover ALL schools.

No matter what degree you pursue, you need to make sure that you are entering a field where you can obtain sustainable employment based upon the degree you earned. Therein, lies the crux of this entire debate.

All universities and colleges should be held to the gainful employment rule or risk having their funding cut. How many people do you know who earned degrees from private nonprofit or public universities who could not get a job in their degree field? BTW those statistics are available from the Department of Labor and the Department of Education, but no one bothers to read them.

"According to Gee, Ohio State has struggled to commercialize technologies developed by its faculty. Yesterday, OSU announced the hiring of Brian Cummings from the University of Utah as vice president for technology commercialization"

Lets see he was making 250K now he will be making 365K + potential bonus of 55K for a potential of $420K, no wonder the state is going broke. Gee lives in another world.

So it sounds like what Gee and Kasich are saying is, there is only one place to go to get a "real" well-rounded education, that is THE Ohio State University, and all the others should just do worker training, so if you can afford Ohio State then you get to be a "boss" if not go to school at the Honda plant. And to Hawk007, if the purpose of higher education is a job in your chosen major then should we just get rid of Philosophy, Art, Religious Studies? And shouldn't these companies be paying the students to undergo worker training for jobs at their plants, not the other way around?

It seems as every "idea" that comes from this governor's tiny little brain is even more stupid than the previous!

Bertha wrote:

"According to Gee, Ohio State has struggled to commercialize technologies developed by its faculty. Yesterday, OSU announced the hiring of Brian Cummings from the University of Utah as vice president for technology commercialization"
Lets see he was making 250K now he will be making 365K + potential bonus of 55K for a potential of $420K, no wonder the state is going broke. Gee lives in another world.

Bertha,

The state is not paying for his salary since the state does not provide much support to the university any longer. I believe it is down to about 10% of the total budget or thereabouts. You also do not understand what kind of background a person like Cummings has that made him the top candidate for the job. It is a competitive national market for people like him and to get him away from his old school there has to be an incentive for him to move here. Utah has mountains, generally nice weather, lower taxes and Ohio has.....well, never mind. Lastly, if he gets one good deal done in hi first year he could easily pay for his salary and more. Quit complaining because he makes more than you do.

Maybe wrote:

I hope that the high schools get back to the absolute basics of Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. There can be no further education without the basic skills that are taught starting in kindergarten and many of the high school graduates can not go to college because they do not have the education that is required to do college work.
As far as the CTC that the high school kids go to the last 2 years of high school - it is a phony degree.
The kids don't require schooling to be farmers, brick layers or foundary workers. It is an on job training that takes about 2 weeks.
The Career Tech Centers need to be gone! Most kids just go there instead of going to the high school where they would be required to do some actual school work to prepare them for college.
We will see if this new 3 years thing is worth the degree that goes along with it.
Maybe!

No one "can learn to be a farmer in 3 weeks on the job". WHAT NONSENSE . You are totally ignorant of what it takes to be a farmer, of any kind, whether dairy, beef, sheep, crops, or other, a person needs much knowledge to be successful. ADDITIONALLY he/she needs business administration knowledge, accounting and AT LEAST 2 MILLION DOLLARS to get established. DO YOU KNOW WHAT FARM LAND COSTS, COST OF A COMBINE, A DAIRY ANIMAL? duh...

Kasich is death to all he touches from Lehman Brothers to Broad and High and Gee is a weak tool whose sole idea of "academia" is being the Chief Fundraiser at a U with a good football program.

Fools of a Feather in a Flock Up

JustMe wrote:

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Much of The O.S.U budget comes from what students pay to attend. It's called tuition.

That's not even close to correct.

Hawk007 wrote:

Ecolier - there are for-profit institutions who are not doing their jobs, however, when the same accreditation sources that approve Ohio State's accreditation are certifying to the Department of Education that those institutions meet all of their criteria for accreditation, the problem goes beyond profits. The amendment to the Higher Education Act of 1965 that requires only for-profit institutions of higher education to prove gainful employment by their students needs further amendment to cover ALL schools.
No matter what degree you pursue, you need to make sure that you are entering a field where you can obtain sustainable employment based upon the degree you earned. Therein, lies the crux of this entire debate.
All universities and colleges should be held to the gainful employment rule or risk having their funding cut. How many people do you know who earned degrees from private nonprofit or public universities who could not get a job in their degree field? BTW those statistics are available from the Department of Labor and the Department of Education, but no one bothers to read them.

Accreditation is primarily based on the academic rigor and transferability of courses -- that rigor in turn translates to best preparing the students for their lives, a part of which includes jobs. But colleges and universities thankfully aren't yet trade schools, nor are they tasked with guaranteeing that students will get a job simply because they got a degree. That's analogous to a stockbroker only getting paid if the stock value increases. There are far too many variables involved, not the least of which is the industriousness of the graduate ...