Kasich, Gee will push aligning colleges, needed job skills

(Saying again): So, does this mean Gee and other Ohio university and college presidents are going to cease the offering of worthless degrees, e.g., ethnic studies, sports management, etc., and instead, push only those that are needed and will allow the student to compete with others around the nation and world? Until academia returns to its paramount mission, it is nothing more than a business, compromised like a physician who also holds a MBA (i.e., in it for the money rather than for the spirit of service provided to the citizens).

It is not at all clear what public higher education in Ohio or elsewhere is training students to do. There's a case to be made for the critical thinking, analyis and writing skills gained from a good liberal arts education, but one large recent study showed that most US college graduates are not even getting those benefits from college.

So we have possibly 80,000 jobs open in Ohio?

And our unemployment rate is 10%?

And the reason those jobs can't be filled is because our schools aren't teaching the right things?

None of the 1,000,000 people in Ohio unemployed right now could fill those 80,000 jobs?

And the answer is for OSU to hire some guy for $420,000 a year?

Does any one actually check these "facts"?

I hope that the high schools get back to the absolute basics of Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. There can be no further education without the basic skills that are taught starting in kindergarten and many of the high school graduates can not go to college because they do not have the education that is required to do college work.

As far as the CTC that the high school kids go to the last 2 years of high school - it is a phony degree.
The kids don't require schooling to be farmers, brick layers or foundary workers. It is an on job training that takes about 2 weeks.

The Career Tech Centers need to be gone! Most kids just go there instead of going to the high school where they would be required to do some actual school work to prepare them for college.
We will see if this new 3 years thing is worth the degree that goes along with it.
Maybe!

Something needs to be done to make high school itself relevant for more young people. Many can get the basic skills by the time they are 16 and don't need, or want, to sit in a classroom room for the remaining two years. But where can they go to get training for really good job? Where are the apprentice programs with major companies? I would work on providing an alliance of business and state to promote more apprentice programs for the 80,000 unfilled jobs. I wonder, however, to what extent those 80,000 are really high-paying jobs? Also, it would be well worth our so-called governor's time to work with college presidents rather than trying to deny teachers, fire fighters, and police officers their constitutional rights to gather and advocate for themselves.

Sounds like someones buddy needs pay raise by going from job to job. The bonus will be paid reguardless of out come.

A job opening on the burger line at White Castle does not require a college degree. It also is not attractive to someone who actually holds a college degree.

I would hazard a guess that many of the "available" 80K jobs are of White Castle quality.

Gee and Kasich, quit trying to justify your screwball agendas and specialized "guru" positions and related salaries.

Essentially, Kasich is saying we have 80,000 jobs without workers to fill those jobs. Implicit in his statement is that all of those jobs require a college degree. Before he starts demanding curriculum changes, he needs to analyze what types of degrees or vocational training is needed to perform those 80,000 jobs. A significant number of those jobs are blue collar jobs that do not require college degrees. Until you align projected job trends with needed degree programs, you are not going to resolve the vacant job issue.

If we are requiring for-profit institutions of higher education to comply with the gainful employment requirements added to the Higher Education Act, why are we not requiring the same of ALL colleges? That, Governor Kasich, is the question you should be asking!

Really, you need a college degree to work at a Honda plant? Methinks Gee is planning his run for governor big time. Kasich, stay the hell out of things you don't know anything about -- like higher ed. What a moron.

When did it become public college's job to pay for training for companies? I remember awhile ago companies used to "gasp" train people who they thought had some talent themselves. Its getting a little ridiculous that idiots in HR at these companies think they are entitled to somebody for every position who has 15 years doing the exact same thing, and think that new college graduates should have been "trained" in whatever obscure system their company uses. I guess this is just another thing getting pushed on taxpayers by corporations though. Pretty soon we'll have degrees in "Fedex", "Walgreens", "Walmart management" etc. from our public schools.

The LUNATIC Governor is at it again, first, he blames taxes on businesses for unemploment; now that he has taken the reins of government and with it the power to tax, he comes up with another excuse, the Universities are not doing enough to prepare students for Jobs. What is it Gov.? You have just found out that this is not a game and the LIES, so many LIES you have told and repeated so often have boomranged !

...And there is the obligatory racist remark. With people like this still believing they are relevant, I agree the focus should be on elementary and secondary education.

Stuck in the Stone Age wrote:

(Saying again): So, does this mean Gee and other Ohio university and college presidents are going to cease the offering of worthless degrees, e.g., ethnic studies, sports management, etc., and instead, push only those that are needed and will allow the student to compete with others around the nation and world? Until academia returns to its paramount mission, it is nothing more than a business, compromised like a physician who also holds a MBA (i.e., in it for the money rather than for the spirit of service provided to the citizens).

While I agree that we need more people going into sciences and engineering I disagree that is the only thing that will keep us competitive. In a global economy with potential emerging economic powerhouses like China, India and Brazil, having individuals that understand and are able to interact with other cultures is important.
As a physician, I can tell you that medicine is a business and we need people that understand medicine to run our health care institutions. A physician with an MBA can play an important role in managing large physician practices, hospitals, drug companies or insurance companies. Their knowledge and experience as a physician combined with a good MBA is invaluable. An MBA doesn't have to be about making more money, it can be about learning the skills that are needed to run a more efficient and compassionate health care system.

ohio lawyer wrote:

It is not at all clear what public higher education in Ohio or elsewhere is training students to do. There's a case to be made for the critical thinking, analyis and writing skills gained from a good liberal arts education, but one large recent study showed that most US college graduates are not even getting those benefits from college.

My teaching is in liberal arts (often general education or electives), and my graduates seem to find jobs in middle mgt--one ran a Chipotle's, another a Sam's-- as well as social services and mid level clerical. A number also go on for advanced graduate training in the professions,including law enforcement.

The NCAA will announce soon that they will be opening a satellite office in Columbus.

A quote from the announcement, "Gordon Gee and his colleagues at Ohio State have worked dilligently to bring new jobs to central Ohio. We hope that the presence of the NCAA will bring lasting economic impact to central Ohio."

Watch for it.

OSU just hired a new Dean of Engineering for $395,000 (no bonus was listed) and now $365,000 +15% bouns for Cummings not to mention $1,000,000 for Gee, no wonder tution is so high. Now my question is does any of that money come from Tax dollars? I have read that OSU has a BILLION DOLLARS in investments!

I thought the whole country was aligning businesses with the educational institutions. The whole point of going to school is to become educated so that you can be productive and self-supporting.
Where has this state been?
No wonder Ohio is so far behind in so much!

Hawk007 wrote:

Essentially, Kasich is saying we have 80,000 jobs without workers to fill those jobs. Implicit in his statement is that all of those jobs require a college degree. Before he starts demanding curriculum changes, he needs to analyze what types of degrees or vocational training is needed to perform those 80,000 jobs. A significant number of those jobs are blue collar jobs that do not require college degrees. Until you align projected job trends with needed degree programs, you are not going to resolve the vacant job issue.
If we are requiring for-profit institutions of higher education to comply with the gainful employment requirements added to the Higher Education Act, why are we not requiring the same of ALL colleges? That, Governor Kasich, is the question you should be asking!

The BIlk and Milk Problem

"For profits" can easily become instruments where education is a decoy for various types of fraud,bilking students and milking government grants (which students musts repay,without fail). As recent business entities, they are accountable only to the market and public reputation.

The for-profits, who post dividends to stockholders and holding companies (Kaplan College is owned by the Washington Post for example) are incentivized ONLY to get student loans paid in, not to actually teach, graduate or place students. More conventional schools, public and private, need to maintain a lifelong relationship with graduates, if only because they rely upon alumni.More like a local bank than a "financial services" chain.

The recent senatorial investigation of one school found 300 faculty vs. 1,700 recruiters employed. This school gamed millions, largely from the new G.I. BIll, and vets naive about college. The Pentagon reluctantly is now getting involved in evaluating those "Schools" By the way, an educational facade as a fraud,either to garner fees, or to deceive immigration laws, is the lead article in the Chronicle of Higher Education this week,and today's NYTIMES reports that the UK is now cracking down on similar schools.

Stuck in the Stone Age wrote:

(Saying again): So, does this mean Gee and other Ohio university and college presidents are going to cease the offering of worthless degrees, e.g., ethnic studies, sports management, etc., and instead, push only those that are needed and will allow the student to compete with others around the nation and world? Until academia returns to its paramount mission, it is nothing more than a business, compromised like a physician who also holds a MBA (i.e., in it for the money rather than for the spirit of service provided to the citizens).

You certainly are stuck in the stone age. Students today have to deal with issues unimagined in my college years. University education is more than a ticket to work 8 to 5.

Anything Kasich proposes is tainted, it's as if he has a STD and is not telling college coeds as he slips them a Qualude.

FEDUP wrote:

OSU just hired a new Dean of Engineering for $395,000 (no bonus was listed) and now $365,000 +15% bouns for Cummings not to mention $1,000,000 for Gee, no wonder tution is so high. Now my question is does any of that money come from Tax dollars? I have read that OSU has a BILLION DOLLARS in investments!

One suspects that as a senior administrator the Dean is an academic CEO and rainmaker, under contract, just like any other corporation. it is doubtful that he teaches,even at the graduate level.The fundraising responsibilities eat up most of their time, and the bonus may be connected to how much new funding he brings in.