Cummins to cut work force by 800

Maybe the new facility in Juarez Mexico is one of the reasons for the cuts... It just opened within the past month and I watched it being built... I am sure the new Delphi and Dana facilities in Juarez are also the reason we have lost so many jobs in Indiana. They cancel their retirees benefits, yet they have enough money to build new factories in Mexico..... NAFTA a wonderful thing

David wrote:

Maybe the new facility in Juarez Mexico is one of the reasons for the cuts... It just opened within the past month and I watched it being built... I am sure the new Delphi and Dana facilities in Juarez are also the reason we have lost so many jobs in Indiana. They cancel their retirees benefits, yet they have enough money to build new factories in Mexico..... NAFTA a wonderful thing

Blame the dam* unions!! Have to pay the workers outrages wages for the work they do, so companies move to other places where they can make a profit!

Jason wrote:

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Blame the dam* unions!! Have to pay the workers outrages wages for the work they do, so companies move to other places where they can make a profit!

Are you kidding, Jason? If the factories didn't have their unions they'd only be getting paid what the workers get paid in Juarez - which, if you can imagine, isn't enough to buy butt-paper with. That's why Cummins and many other companies are taking the American jobs elsewhere - cheaper labor.

I stand by my statement! There are plenty of non-union shops in the United States, who pay their employees good/fair wages for the work they do. To pay someone 30/40 dollars an hour to do the work anyone off the street could do is ridiculous!
I'm pretty sure to pay those same employees 15 to 20 dollars an hour, does not put them in the catagory of working in sweat shops. Don't get me wrong, Unions were good when they were first established. Times have changed, time for the unions to change!!

I somewhat agree with Jason on this, however Cummins DWU workers have a salary cap and can only get paid up to like 22 dollars an hour. For someone who has been there for 15 years getting paid that amount of money seems fair to me. Yes, there was a time that Cummins factory workers got paid 30-40 dollars an hour but that is not now. Perhaps part of the problem is also at the top with big executives getting paid a ridiculous amount of money. No one needs millons of dollars a year to live. Most of my family works at Cummins and this could be devasting to them. Perhaps they should offer enhanced retirement for those who are close but just can't yet because they don't have their 80 points, that is what Eli Lilly did last year.

Jason wrote:

I stand by my statement! There are plenty of non-union shops in the United States, who pay their employees good/fair wages for the work they do. To pay someone 30/40 dollars an hour to do the work anyone off the street could do is ridiculous!
I'm pretty sure to pay those same employees 15 to 20 dollars an hour, does not put them in the catagory of working in sweat shops. Don't get me wrong, Unions were good when they were first established. Times have changed, time for the unions to change!!

Unions long ago quit being for the "workers".Unions have became a business in it's self makeing national leaders rich at the expense of the jobs of the people they are supposed to represent.The reason the top officials fight so hard not to allow concesions to keep factories open is they don't want to lose the cash,dues are based on hourly rates.They have overplayed their hand and now the workers suffer while officials cash their big fat checks.The only difference between CEO's and top union officials is the title on their office door.Given a choice between losing their jobs and a pay cut most workers would take the cut,but they are not allowed that choice.

Former union wrote:

<quoted text>Unions long ago quit being for the "workers".Unions have became a business in it's self makeing national leaders rich at the expense of the jobs of the people they are supposed to represent.The reason the top officials fight so hard not to allow concesions to keep factories open is they don't want to lose the cash,dues are based on hourly rates.They have overplayed their hand and now the workers suffer while officials cash their big fat checks.The only difference between CEO's and top union officials is the title on their office door.Given a choice between losing their jobs and a pay cut most workers would take the cut,but they are not allowed that choice.

Hey they gotta keep that union country club in Michigan runnin somehow.

I wonder if the greenskeepers there are union or illegal?

Jason wrote:

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Blame the dam* unions!! Have to pay the workers outrages wages for the work they do, so companies move to other places where they can make a profit!

that is becouse you are still a wal-mart pushing carts for ole er shoppers.

Cummins is a net exporter of products from the US.

They are opening a new plant in Columbus that will employ over 500 people.

They are opening other new plants around the world because that is where their products are in demand.

Understand any of that?

I can't comment on the factories but i do know on the repair end and distrubutors there are no unions but yes quite a few corporate workers making $120,000+.

kornbread wrote:

<quoted text>that is becouse you are still a wal-mart pushing carts for ole er shoppers.

Good one, are you in the 4th grade? Get off the computer and let us adults have a conversation, now go to bed before your mom kicks your as*!

Cummins is a good company that values it's employees. Look up the officer's salaries - they do not have inflated salaries like other companies. They get stock options when the company is doing well, and they deserve to be rewarded when the company does well. They also share the profits with all employees - not many companies do that anymore. I could go on and on about how well they treat their employees, but I do not have the time. SHUTUP is exactly right, do you think a US company can manufacturer everything in the US and be competive in global markets? Please look into CMI's history before you judge - they are a good company and are not responsible for the downturn in the economy. You can't seriously believe a factory in Mexico caused these layoffs....OMG

Companies moving production facilities offshores is a symptoms of bad government on the federal end. The US has the highest corporate taxes in the world next to Japan so it gives businesses an incentive to move jobs overseases to avoid paying those taxes. Japan has been in a recession for the past 10 years and that is where the US is headed unless we restructure our taxation system. What is funny is that Cummins is a major exporter and has greatly benefited from a weak US dollar. Keeping operations in the US would benefit the company even more but they think labor costs outweigh any sort of benefit a weak dollar gives them.

Jason wrote:

I stand by my statement! There are plenty of non-union shops in the United States, who pay their employees good/fair wages for the work they do. To pay someone 30/40 dollars an hour to do the work anyone off the street could do is ridiculous!
I'm pretty sure to pay those same employees 15 to 20 dollars an hour, does not put them in the catagory of working in sweat shops. Don't get me wrong, Unions were good when they were first established. Times have changed, time for the unions to change!!

I work at Cummins in Columbus, Indiana and have for 5yrs. and I only make $14 an hour. We also have a wage cap of $22 or so and believe me once you hit that ceiling it doesn't matter how long you have been there it isn't going to get much higher. We have a company owned union. DWU is nothing like the UAW. A lot of people I work with would love to see our union disbanded because they don't fight for much for us in the first place. So please don't blame the union because it really isn't the reason.

i work for cummin"s in the UK,nearly a 1000 have lost there jobs since december,the unions over here used to be strong,all our work is going to china&india,the quality from asia is so bad cummins will lose more custumers to there competetiors.

i agree with jason,also with steve someday ashley will open her eyes and realize that she is only a number

i have to agree with Steve our union here (unite} is about consoltation with the management NOT negotiation with the workforce and be sure of this as soon as my fate is sealed , keeping my job or not, i will be handing in my card to my top convenor.no strength no power no confidence ,and dont call me brother

I hate to break it to you buy Cummins "damn Unions" don't help much in wage in southern indiana. Starting pay for a machinist is only $10 +$1 an hour shift premium. So yea we don't get paid a lot.

Even Cummins is susceptible..

They say they value there employees but they dont at all, we mean nothing to them. As for the points system they use well its just a joke in the UK, they say its fair but no matter how much you argue your case if they want you out then your out. They save who they want to. And been marked by our co-ordinators in the uk is a joke, its like Dumb and Dumber.