Vought Workers To Vote On Contract

An Observer wrote:

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oh no, IAM inernational reps only call a special meeting when they want to ram a contract down the throats of their North Charleston Brothers & sisters.

Observer/ Insider,You seem to think you know so much about the SC contract so explain why the company only came to the table 7 times in a year. Then after the contract was voted on the company said it was not their best and final offer. The company wanted to hurt the Union and did not care if the employees was hurt in the process. After a YEAR of negotiations Vought still had not offered their best offer to their employees what was Vought waiting on?

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viet nam vet wrote:

<quoted text> Now think about what you just said. You are blaming the union on everything.The union has nothing to do with this guy. The union isn't even in there and has nothing to do with that situation. That is pure COMPANY. Thats not the unions mentality thats the Company for letting it go on. Don't you understand that we don't like that either.Because people like you direct it to the union and they don't control that/ Is the union in there.(no)Unions have got their faults but they aren't responsible for everything even though people want to blame them. This guy or people that are in there are not union.Never ever will be. So put the blame were it needs to be on the company because the unions on the street. Another case of extremely bad management.

I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm not solely blaming the union. Note that I stated what I would do if I were a supervisor, alluding to the fact that management and HR have consistency issue dealing with people. It is both sides that should try to weed out the bad apples. Pier pressure also goes a long way helping a slacker to conform to the masses. We all are in this together. It should not be us-against-them. I even gave some of you guys my lunch out at the burn-barrel last night. We all want to retire someday, but it won't happen if the company goes under.

The Replacements wrote:

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The Explorer wrote:

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Observer/ Insider,You seem to think you know so much about the SC contract so explain why the company only came to the table 7 times in a year. Then after the contract was voted on the company said it was not their best and final offer. The company wanted to hurt the Union and did not care if the employees was hurt in the process. After a YEAR of negotiations Vought still had not offered their best offer to their employees what was Vought waiting on?

so, why was it the International IAM reps called a surprise, secret not all that publicized meeting to ensure they could do the quick two-step and screw their employees? I missed that point in your logic....

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An Observer wrote:

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so, why was it the International IAM reps called a surprise, secret not all that publicized meeting to ensure they could do the quick two-step and screw their employees? I missed that point in your logic....

I think we both know what happened in SC so what has that got to do with Nashville?

Transplant wrote:

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I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm not solely blaming the union. Note that I stated what I would do if I were a supervisor, alluding to the fact that management and HR have consistency issue dealing with people. It is both sides that should try to weed out the bad apples. Pier pressure also goes a long way helping a slacker to conform to the masses. We all are in this together. It should not be us-against-them. I even gave some of you guys my lunch out at the burn-barrel last night. We all want to retire someday, but it won't happen if the company goes under.

YES i understand we all want the company to succeed becauese if it didn't we all wouldn't have a job.As far as retire I don't know but a select few will ever be able to do that. The way they are setting it up now you go from work to social security. I probably work til the day I die because I'll have money to do the things in life that I want to and the Insurance if that don't go down the drain like everything else.Like I said earlier you complain about a slacker enough then they will make you do his job instead of stepping up and making the slacker do his.You said you would do that if you were a supervisor but the upper management won't let you.Its not about slackers its about accepting responsibility and let each person be accountable for themselves not for each other. I'm not my brothers keeper.There should be an accross the board rule for action and not separate for the same incident.Two people do the same infraction an both are treated different, instead of same occurance same punishment. So thats part of the reason for the conditions in there.Because management doesn't do their job. In my opinion thats discrimination when you treat a person differant than anotherI'm not saying give punishment for anyone but if one gets punished fo one thing then the other that does the same thing should get the same punishment instead of nothing. Don't single out an there's alot of that.When you tell them they got bad management they don't listen. Management are bookkeeepers not managers.

The Explorer wrote:

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I think we both know what happened in SC so what has that got to do with Nashville?

Same group of international reps running both contract talks is what it has to do with Nashville

Looks like this person got the point a long time ago. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Vought Veteran wrote:

From a
Hard Working Blue Collar American
I AM NOT a SCAB I work for Vought Aircraft Industries, Inc. NOT Local 735. Although I have not always like or agreed with what this company has done I KNOW who signs my paycheck.
I truly feel sorry for what the UNION has caused you.
I have been a Vought employee for 35 years. It’s not the IAW and fortunately never has been. I have never had to PAY someone else and have them tell me when I can and cannot work. Yes, it is true that I have had to fight for what I think I earned. However, I know that as much as I would like to think that VOUGHT owes me a living they DON'T.
Vought Aircraft Industries, Inc. is in business. That means they are here to make MONEY. That is what businesses do, they do not owe you a living.
Vought Aircraft Industries, Inc. has provided me a life style I have become accustom to but they DO NOT “Owe me a living”. I have earned what I have by working hard all my life. Earned not owed.
I remember when there was company loyalty and I was loyal to the company. Times change. The hard fact but that’s just the way it is.
If you do not want to see your jobs out sourced then you better WAKE UP.
Sincerely,
Joe Mechanic
A Sincerely Committed Aircraft Builder

no dog in the fight wrote:

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Same group of international reps running both contract talks is what it has to do with Nashville

I had rather take my chances with them as listen to vought and their lies!

The Replacements wrote:

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HR is overwhelmed and a hiring freeze has been implemented because of such. This place is a roller coaster right now. I mean... last week Bobby at C130 was fired, then allowed to come back and last I heard he quit. So you guys have as good of a guess as I do at this point. I'm just doing my job this week and looking forward to some time off. You gotta know that 80+ hrs a week gets old no matter what they are paying you.
Crimson... ya gonna come visit me for lunch someday?

You still havent answered my Question as to why management hasnt fired the people that crossed the line that have no union help at all right now ....those same sorry people that dont do there job ....They have a chance to get rid of them right now but havent... what gives....

Is the union still responsable for keeping there jobs? Or has the management showed you that they are not doing there jobs like we have been saying on here for the last few months

looks like it has worked out well for you good luck

An Observer wrote:

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oh no, IAM inernational reps only call a special meeting when they want to ram a contract down the throats of their North Charleston Brothers & sisters.

Those people had notice to go to there union meeting ....If only 12 showed up whos to blame for what they got ? same thing goes for your union meetings ....when did you go last ? how many people were there ? they all knew you were having one didnt they ? they even voted on some things that pertain to you ....do you know what they are ? only if you were there would you know for sure ...

Dont blame the union .....Blame the people that make up the union that didnt show up !!!!

An Observer wrote:

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so, why was it the International IAM reps called a surprise, secret not all that publicized meeting to ensure they could do the quick two-step and screw their employees? I missed that point in your logic....

The logic is why did the Vought come to the table only 7 times in a year and after the SC Union voted on the contract Vought said it was not their best and final offer. But you blame the Union for calling a meeting after the year to vote it in. What was Vought waiting on to make their best offer a sign from God?

no dog in the fight wrote:

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Same group of international reps running both contract talks is what it has to do with Nashville

So when Nashville votes in Voughts last offer are they going to say it was not their best and final offer like they did in SC ? Sounds about right.

The Explorer wrote:

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A. Subcontracting of Maintenance and Production Control
Except as specifically limited in this Article, the Company may subcontract, transfer or
outsource bargaining work without restriction. There will be no restrictions or obligations to
bargain over the Company’s decision to subcontract, transfer or outsource, or the effects of
subcontracting, transferring or outsourcing work.
So now tell me what that means.

No one wants to talk about the Company subcontracting out maintenance and PC. in Voughts best and final offer. Everyone on here telling the Union they should be happy to have a job what about all the jobs this contract takes away. No one seems to want to talk about those people.

viet nam vet wrote:

<quoted text> Why haven't they done it in the past instead of letting them slack for years.You say repeated issues will be dealt with why now . We have people that scrap things on a daily basis and they accumilate evidence and carry all the way to the front office and don't do a thing to them. Same as people with bad absentee problems they don't deal you see it in their right now. Thats a management problem we have said all along.Its no set standard there. They will take a good worker and make an example out of and let a slacker go.I have seen 3 people make the same mistake on a certain job. The person that did it first and the person that did it last,they did nothing to but the person in the middle they give three days off. The person before an the person after nothing nothing done. I suppose thats the union right.

Well the system is getting better, especially in the video monitoring dept. Your Sister Dot has been recorded going to the bathroom 12-15 before each break and then reappearing just as the buzzer rings for break. Nice habit eh? I'm not believing it takes that long to use the bathroom.

The problem you face is that the management has a hard enough time just dealing with MANAGING. So what you need to do is just make a record of the infractions you see, find someone else to witness such actions to back your claim and then email such to HR. That way HR has a documented infraction. Do you think Management is going to do it for you? If enough complaints are made, HR will have no recourse other than dealing with the issue and a pathway in which to do so. Talk is cheap, so move along and do something worth actions.

ATTENTION ALL CONTRACTORS got new contrct in Washington .I just got a call for $40 dollars an hour I don't know perdiem but closer to home for some of you.So think it over cause this is running out. Call PLANETECH and check it out.

The Solution wrote:

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No one wants to talk about the Company subcontracting out maintenance and PC. in Voughts best and final offer. Everyone on here telling the Union they should be happy to have a job what about all the jobs this contract takes away. No one seems to want to talk about those people.

They also dont want to talk about the ex-supervisors that do business with vought. It seems to me to be a conflict of interest when your buddy always gets the low bid on a job.