Arnold sues partner Kelly, again

Retired wrote:

The way that Arnold and his wife have always operated in Lebanon County is to fund businesses and projects that use other peoples talent to make it successful and profitable for the Arnolds. That's because Arnold really has very little knowledge and has to use other people to make money. After the person with talent makes it a success, then Arnold gets upset because his name or his wife's name isn't known to the customers or public as being involved--unless their name is on the building. Once the Arnolds realize that their lack of involvement has left them with no public recognition (what Arnold really wants), then they look for a way to destroy the business, the talented people, and the project. Have you heard the stories of what they did to the library and Lebanon Valley College which have buildings in his name. Maybe you remember Yarn Over Ewe and what they did there. How did they screw over the new owners of New Penn Trucking when he left there? I'm sure they have not been able to keep details of those dealings totally hush. Nope, I don't think Kelly is the problem (even if you don't agree with his politics which is a separate matter). I think Arnold is the toxic liability to the county. Get rid of him and his tainted money and we will all be much better off. Lebanon already has genuine philanthropists which Arnold is not.

WOW!!!!!!!!

Retired wrote:

After the person with talent makes it a success, then Arnold gets upset because his name or his wife's name isn't known to the customers or public as being involved--unless their name is on the building. Once the Arnolds realize that their lack of involvement has left them with no public recognition (what Arnold really wants), then they look for a way to destroy the business, the talented people, and the project.

Man, you rock! I couldn't quite figure out Arnold till now. You were hiding the missing piece of the puzzle. So Arnold was upset that everyone knew Kelly did the work so he would get all of the public recogition and credit. All the lawsuits came up as a way to announce that Arnold was involved. Hmmm!

Retired wrote:

The way that Arnold and his wife have always operated in Lebanon County is to fund businesses and projects that use other peoples talent to make it successful and profitable for the Arnolds. That's because Arnold really has very little knowledge and has to use other people to make money. After the person with talent makes it a success, then Arnold gets upset because his name or his wife's name isn't known to the customers or public as being involved--unless their name is on the building. Once the Arnolds realize that their lack of involvement has left them with no public recognition (what Arnold really wants), then they look for a way to destroy the business, the talented people, and the project. Have you heard the stories of what they did to the library and Lebanon Valley College which have buildings in his name. Maybe you remember Yarn Over Ewe and what they did there. How did they screw over the new owners of New Penn Trucking when he left there? I'm sure they have not been able to keep details of those dealings totally hush. Nope, I don't think Kelly is the problem (even if you don't agree with his politics which is a separate matter). I think Arnold is the toxic liability to the county. Get rid of him and his tainted money and we will all be much better off. Lebanon already has genuine philanthropists which Arnold is not.

You can take Arnold and the Carriage House out of the equation for Kelly. The facts are he is a moron, and has caused North Cornwall to fall into a financial disaster. Take off your rose colored glasse. Have you not followed anything with Kelly's involvement in Springwood and how he was ordered by the Courts to not be able to vote on anything that involves Springwood because of Kelly's lack of ethics? The list goes on and on. The guy may have some architectural talent, but he lacks any and all common sense and has no business helping to run a Twp. Kelly and his chronoies, Ralph & Robin, have helped to fiancially ruin that Twp! And those are the facts

NCT Taxpayer wrote:

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You can take Arnold and the Carriage House out of the equation for Kelly. The facts are he is a moron, and has caused North Cornwall to fall into a financial disaster. Take off your rose colored glasse. Have you not followed anything with Kelly's involvement in Springwood and how he was ordered by the Courts to not be able to vote on anything that involves Springwood because of Kelly's lack of ethics? The list goes on and on. The guy may have some architectural talent, but he lacks any and all common sense and has no business helping to run a Twp. Kelly and his chronoies, Ralph & Robin, have helped to fiancially ruin that Twp! And those are the facts

This article was all about Ed Arnold, the Carriage House and Kelly. It was not about Springwood or anything else. You cannot say to take Kelly out of the equation because that is what the topic is here. His role as township supervisor are totally unrelated here. However, you are calling names again with regard to the township. What facts do you have that North Cornwall Township is in financial ruins? You make no case here.

Also if a court found that Kelly had lack of ethics, then some other action would have been taken. It is my understanding from the papers that he was not adviced by his attorney, township counsel or some other authority to vote on anything to do with Springwood until the case was resolved. Again, you either have no facts to back up your claims or your meager facts are wrong.

Tired of phonies wrote:

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This article was all about Ed Arnold, the Carriage House and Kelly. It was not about Springwood or anything else. You cannot say to take Kelly out of the equation because that is what the topic is here. His role as township supervisor are totally unrelated here. However, you are calling names again with regard to the township. What facts do you have that North Cornwall Township is in financial ruins? You make no case here.
Also if a court found that Kelly had lack of ethics, then some other action would have been taken. It is my understanding from the papers that he was not adviced by his attorney, township counsel or some other authority to vote on anything to do with Springwood until the case was resolved. Again, you either have no facts to back up your claims or your meager facts are wrong.

My point was to the comment "Retired" made about Kelly not being the problem. Kelly IS the problem no matter what the topic is, whether it's Arnold and the Carriage house, Springwood, North Cornwall's Zoning Ordinance, North Cornwall's financial state, The "weathered stones" at the Wetlands banking park, Walmart and the Saint group, the Red Brick School in Cornwall...and the list goes on. He screws up or causes things to cost a lot more money for the taxpayer, whenever he sticks his nose in it.

What facts do I have regarding NCT's financial ruins? How about the ACTUAL budgets for the last 3 years, that show the money from the General fund dwindling. How about Mr. Siegel's (a CPA) presentation at one of the last Supervisors meetings that showed how erroneously the books were being kept and the Supervisors going through OVER a million dollars. How about they had to lay off an employee, which they haven't had to do for probably over 10 years. Do your homework, request and compare the budgets, that might be a good place to start IF you’re willing to see the truth.

As for Kelly's involvement with Springwood, look up the results of all the legal action taken against Kelly. He WAS advised not to comment/or vote on ANY Springwood issues because of a conflict of interest. He was hired by a Springwood representative to do Sketches for the Developer prior to becoming a Supervisor, and then he was against Springwood and it's plans when he became a Supervisor. There finally was a Settlement agreement between the Supervisors and Springwood. Also, some of the lawsuits filed against him were "settled out of court".

The facts are out there. Perhaps in the future you should spend less time on here worrying about "phonies" and more time doing your homework in Research 101.

Maybe Kipper should consider taking Waldenhausen's position on the EIT.

NCT Taxpayer, do a reality check. I spent the past few days researching some of your accusations against "Kipper." As it turns out, again you are wrong.

Kelly is one of several supervisors who make decisions in the township. Since you are so narrow minded and uninformed, you apparently don't know that almost every municipality, state and the federal government are hurting financially. NCT is not unique in that matter except that it has you putting all of the blame on one person who has no authority or access to take money.

Regarding the "weathered stones" I found someone who saw those specific stones who swore that some of them looked like authentic arrowheads. Even the paper said they were stones not native to the area. Somebody planted them there to be found. Maybe it was Arnold. Weathered stones don't look like arrowheads. The gal I spoke with said she was astonished at the article since she's seen arrowheads before. Some she agreed might have been something else though.

There is no proof that Kelly was associated with the Saint group. Ed Arnold might have been though. He has the contacts and could have been involved in that or in bringing them in here if that's what happened. Saint works from donations and Ed Arnold has the money to throw around.

From my research though Kelly hasn't ever been a fan of Walmart. At least you cannot say that Kelly is bought by anyone. He stood up for what he believed in even though he could have profited from Springwood by keeping quiet. That's what your post really admits to but you want to deny that and sell us a different take of blarney.

Your still a phoney. I still think you are Ed Arnold or one of his staff. From his reputation, he has really bad anger management issues. You appear the same.

Forgive me; I took a few things for granted. I figured you knew so much about Mr. Kelly that you should also know and it is a given that he is a member of the Supervisors and that singularly he does not have the ability to authorize anything, however he and his Crony Heister are 2/3 of the board and if they want to authorize or spend funds on things they have the ability to do so since they have the majority vote of 2 to 1. I also took for granted that everyone has enough common sense to know what the economic climate has been like for the last two years and how the government, private and public sectors have been affected. While most of us have this common sense, Kelly and Heister have not displayed any common sense with the money they have helped/caused to be pissed away on the Springwood litigation, and the Zoning Ordinance debacle.
You bring up the "weathered stones" and say that weathered stones don't look like arrowheads. Are you an expert now? Is the "someone" you spoke to an expert? What in the article was I wrong about? It says Kelly thought he found arrowheads and they turned out to be weathered stones. That's the truth according to the various agencies that were contacted. He stuck his nose in and looked like a fool.
Yes, there is information that indicates Kelly had some interaction with the Saint Group. Check out the Wall Street Journal article from June 7, 2010 titled "Rival Chain Secretly funds Opposition to Wal-Mart" In the article it talks about how the Saint Group helped fund the Citizens for Responsible Growth, which Kelly was a part of and he was contacted by a woman from the Saint Group to help pay costs for the citizens group. Of course Kelly played stupid, which he does with ease.
Kelly DID profit from Springwood. He was PAID by Springwood to do some sketches for them.
I could care less if Kelly personally profits from his professional work or not. What I care about is how this man has affected the Township and how he and his Crony Heister have recklessly authorized funds to be spent on advancing their own agendas instead of what’s in the best interest of the taxpayer and the financial situation of the Township, during the current economic difficulties for all. You can call me a phoney, cause I could care less, that's all you've got. And sorry to say, I am NOT Ed Arnold, or his staff. As hard as it is for you to believe, there are plenty of people who can't stand that narcissistic sociopath Kelly, not just Ed Arnold and his staff. You say I am wrong, I say you're an idiot and go away.

To any readers who are here, I say that you should flat out ignore anything written by NCT Taxpayer. He obviously has no facts and is a phony.

See how he claims that Kelly and Heister are squandering taxpayer money yet he names not one single expenditure.

If some of the "weathered stones" looked like authentic arrowheads to someone who has seen many in their day, then I trust that person over any agencies who were paid off by Ed Arnold to deny their authenticity.

NCT Taxpayer is trying to draw a dotted line from the Saint Group to Kelly just because the two were included in the same article. If Kelly says that he never knew of the group, then I would believe him over Ed Arnold who is bent on destroying a man for the sake of a few more people knowing that he was a fool who never read the accounting reports. He doesn't claim to have any valid arguments with Kelly, but Ed Arnold seems to bring one suit after another with no judgments in his favor. Ed Arnold bought Charlie Jones political campaign so we can figure that Charlie will judge in Ed's favor if any cases come before him. That's typical Ed Arnold methods.

Again, no evidence was presented just name calling that Kelly is a narcissistic sociopath. The Daily News had an article today about narcissistic sociopaths. Kelly doesn't seem to fit that pattern of having an inflated sense of self. Obviously, NCT Taxpayer is someone Ed Arnold sent out after Kelly hoping to believe all of this name calling. I would love to take a look at Ed Arnold's accounting books. With all of his notorious anger issues, I wonder how much he spends a year just trying to destroy people.

Tired of phonies wrote:

To any readers who are here, I say that you should flat out ignore anything written by NCT Taxpayer. He obviously has no facts and is a phony.
See how he claims that Kelly and Heister are squandering taxpayer money yet he names not one single expenditure.
If some of the "weathered stones" looked like authentic arrowheads to someone who has seen many in their day, then I trust that person over any agencies who were paid off by Ed Arnold to deny their authenticity.
NCT Taxpayer is trying to draw a dotted line from the Saint Group to Kelly just because the two were included in the same article. If Kelly says that he never knew of the group, then I would believe him over Ed Arnold who is bent on destroying a man for the sake of a few more people knowing that he was a fool who never read the accounting reports. He doesn't claim to have any valid arguments with Kelly, but Ed Arnold seems to bring one suit after another with no judgments in his favor. Ed Arnold bought Charlie Jones political campaign so we can figure that Charlie will judge in Ed's favor if any cases come before him. That's typical Ed Arnold methods.
Again, no evidence was presented just name calling that Kelly is a narcissistic sociopath. The Daily News had an article today about narcissistic sociopaths. Kelly doesn't seem to fit that pattern of having an inflated sense of self. Obviously, NCT Taxpayer is someone Ed Arnold sent out after Kelly hoping to believe all of this name calling. I would love to take a look at Ed Arnold's accounting books. With all of his notorious anger issues, I wonder how much he spends a year just trying to destroy people.

Do a little more research, and you'll find out that Kelly and his buddy Heister the Hutt have drained the Township's reserve funds over the past few years. it seems these two well-educated men didn't realize that reserve funds aren't income for budgeting purposes.

Get some Christmas spirit, gentlemen. Kelly is not known for being mean spirited. Ed Arnold is, as "Tired" states, "notorious" for his anger issues as well as destroying reputations and businesses for his own gain. That has been documented over and over again. Kelly is not out to have his name on a building like narcissistic Ed Arnold.

While we are speaking that terminology, I believe it is called projection when one person projects his own personality flaws upon another. NCT Taxpayer obviously has anger issues which means that he is somehow Ed Arnold or one of his infected people. If he is not Arnold, then he must be someone brown nosing Arnold hoping for a windfall upon delivering Kelly upon a silver platter. What sickness!

"Tired", I like you're style. Keep up the great research and arguments, but don't be so hard on NCT. He is obviously drugged up on pain killers from all of the facts he has been hit with. That's why he makes no logical sense. He's/she's all emotion just like Arnold. They say that like attracts like. If sugar attracts flies, then money will attract those hungry for money. Those who hunger for money will go after it for any price, even lie about another's good character for it. In fact, maybe NCT is Mrs. Arnold. That would explain a lot.

The original topic here was whether Kelly and the inspection agency were responsible for unsafe building practices. See how far we got off the track because NCT cannot maintain a focused thought? Why isn't Ed Arnold closing down the place if it is so unsafe? It's clear, Arnold has accused many Lebanon area craftsman and businesses of doing shoddy work. He knows that is a false accusation. NCT doesn't realize that Kelly didn't do the work himself. NCT probably hasn't even seen the place in order to deny her conscience the benefit of the truth. I know some of those guys. It's darn good work that they do.

Obviously, Vanity Fair is just NCT Taxpayer under another pseudonym. All municipalities have had draining budgets. However, VF/NCT is insinuating that Kelly took money for personal gain. Not gonna convince us of that. Go back in your hole at Ed Arnold's office VF/NCT. You don't even know how to make an argument let alone making one stick.

Retired wrote:

Get some Christmas spirit, gentlemen. Kelly is not known for being mean spirited. Ed Arnold is, as "Tired" states, "notorious" for his anger issues as well as destroying reputations and businesses for his own gain. That has been documented over and over again. Kelly is not out to have his name on a building like narcissistic Ed Arnold.
While we are speaking that terminology, I believe it is called projection when one person projects his own personality flaws upon another. NCT Taxpayer obviously has anger issues which means that he is somehow Ed Arnold or one of his infected people. If he is not Arnold, then he must be someone brown nosing Arnold hoping for a windfall upon delivering Kelly upon a silver platter. What sickness!
"Tired", I like you're style. Keep up the great research and arguments, but don't be so hard on NCT. He is obviously drugged up on pain killers from all of the facts he has been hit with. That's why he makes no logical sense. He's/she's all emotion just like Arnold. They say that like attracts like. If sugar attracts flies, then money will attract those hungry for money. Those who hunger for money will go after it for any price, even lie about another's good character for it. In fact, maybe NCT is Mrs. Arnold. That would explain a lot.
The original topic here was whether Kelly and the inspection agency were responsible for unsafe building practices. See how far we got off the track because NCT cannot maintain a focused thought? Why isn't Ed Arnold closing down the place if it is so unsafe? It's clear, Arnold has accused many Lebanon area craftsman and businesses of doing shoddy work. He knows that is a false accusation. NCT doesn't realize that Kelly didn't do the work himself. NCT probably hasn't even seen the place in order to deny her conscience the benefit of the truth. I know some of those guys. It's darn good work that they do.
Obviously, Vanity Fair is just NCT Taxpayer under another pseudonym. All municipalities have had draining budgets. However, VF/NCT is insinuating that Kelly took money for personal gain. Not gonna convince us of that. Go back in your hole at Ed Arnold's office VF/NCT. You don't even know how to make an argument let alone making one stick.

Sorry. Even though I am a NCT taxpayer/resident, I'm not "NCT Taxpayer" posting under another name.

Frankly, I don't care about the pissing contest between Messrs. Arnold and Kelly. Let the courts deal with their spat.

What does concern me is the manner in which Kelly and Heister have run the Township's finances. Although I've never accused either of taking money for personal gain, I am concerned about the way they've drained the Township's assets in their joint effort to create their version of "Yuppietrashville".

Since I agree with you that this has gotten pretty far off-topic, I'll save the rest of my remarks for a more appropriate thread.

Happy New Year to you and all other contributors and readers!

To "Tired" & "Retired" you two are amusing. I know of Ed Arnold, but don't know the man personally, nor do I care to. But I do know Kip Kelly. I have sat in Township meetings and listened to his incoherent babbling. I personally can't stand the man and I don't give a damn about what the issue is between Eddy and Kip. I do care about how Kip continues to destroy NCT. I don't believe I ever said that wrong. All the other information I have provided is true and factual, you two just don't want to believe it, because you have a hard on for Ed Arnold. Happy New Year!

"I don't believe I ever said that Kip took money from the Township for personal gain, so you got that wrong."