Groups Want Faith Exemption On Same-Sex Marriage Issue

chief22 wrote:

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I was raised in the Catholic, and there were many reasons, first and formost the Mass was boering, by the time I was 10 I had the whole mass memorized, secondly I didn't like the idea of being told that the things I was doing in my life, were sinful, all I wanted to do as a young adult is have fun, you know, smoke a little dope, have sex when where and with whom I wanted, get drunk if I felt like, you know, just have fun. Slowly, but surely I started to realize that there was something missing that just wasn't being filled, by any of the blessings I had during that time, Great wife, young healthy children Serving in the Army, all this and still something missing, I realized a little over a year ago that what was missing was Jesus Christ, and since that time since that time that empty feeling is now gone.

Oh, so you're a baby christian. Ok, you make a lot more sense to me now.

nkeithf wrote:

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Chief, I back my statements up with four years of seminary study and a Master's of Divinity degree. That's how serious I am about scripture. That's how much I love scripture. But I love it too much to make an idol of it. I am NOT jabbing at Christians...I am one! You see, I am one of your brothers...one of your gay brothers. I too know the Light...but it's a Light that doesn't condemn me, nor does it condemn you, and I hope that you'll come to understand that as you grow in the faith. Don't bind yourself to the Law...bind yourself to the Good News.

No, the Word doesn't condem you, however as well versed in scripture as you say you are, well aware what is written about the behavior associated with homosexuality, as you know all too well God does condem sinful deeds.

nkeithf wrote:

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Chief, the latest gospel, the gospel of John, was written about 70 years after Christ. The Romans were not having a dark time at the time of Jesus of Nazareth...they were the rulers. That is how they ended up destroying the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD. The gospel of Mark was written right around that time.

The chapter surrounding the Crisifiction was a dard time and a time best forgotten from a Roman Perspective, as well as a Jewish perspective as well.

chief22 wrote:

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The chapter surrounding the Crisifiction was a dard time and a time best forgotten from a Roman Perspective, as well as a Jewish perspective as well.

Why? Because the Romans and Jews killed Christ? The Romans were having their hey-day. Can't say the same for the Jews, but at the very least it was a time of peace in comparison to what would later come.

Josh in New Orleans wrote:

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Why? Because the Romans and Jews killed Christ? The Romans were having their hey-day. Can't say the same for the Jews, but at the very least it was a time of peace in comparison to what would later come.

isn't that enough? killing an innocent man to which Pilot even attested to, not thier finest hour, and being in thier hay-day, why would they want to taint that.

Georgie B wrote:

<quoted text>I think that you're at least a couple of pages behind with me.
Because I still don't believe in gay marriage. Equality aside, I still think that the word "marriage" as it currently stands, should be defined as between a man and a woman.
I'm sorry, I may be flexible on other matters and other options in regards to this issue, but on this particular part I am quite intractable.

The term 'gay marriage' is an insult. Personally, I don't give a hoot what you think the word marriage stands for. I am not talking about the word marriage per se, I am talking about equal civil rights under the law. Since marriage has certain rights and privileges associated with it, then only marriage equality will achieve our Constitutional objectives. If the religious aspect of marriage can be stripped out of the civil aspect, the equality will be possible. Until that time, the fight will continue. The trajectory is toward my ideal and away from yours. You are on the losing setting side of the sun my friend.

chief22 wrote:

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isn't that enough? killing an innocent man to which Pilot even attested to, not thier finest hour, and being in thier hay-day, why would they want to taint that.

Don't get me wrong, the Romans were highly unjust. It wasn't their bad day, they're the ones who made it a bad day for everyone else.

That's kind of how I feel about being treated as second-class under the law. The farther society is able to push that envelope back, the more likely it is you will see laws being passed like the one in Uganda which is criminalizing homosexuality with the penalty of death. It would appear that Christians have become our Romans in a modern time and the message isn't one of peace.

Josh in New Orleans wrote:

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Don't get me wrong, the Romans were highly unjust. It wasn't their bad day, they're the ones who made it a bad day for everyone else.
That's kind of how I feel about being treated as second-class under the law. The farther society is able to push that envelope back, the more likely it is you will see laws being passed like the one in Uganda which is criminalizing homosexuality with the penalty of death. It would appear that Christians have become our Romans in a modern time and the message isn't one of peace.

Nothing of the soart. Christians don't advocate the killing of homosexuals, what is advocated is the repenting of sinful behavior. I don't believe that not being able to marry sputs people in the "second Class citizen" catigory.

chief22 wrote:

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Nothing of the soart. Christians don't advocate the killing of homosexuals, what is advocated is the repenting of sinful behavior. I don't believe that not being able to marry sputs people in the "second Class citizen" catigory.

Chief, one of the things Jesus taught was the idea of putting ourselves in our neighbor's place, seeing the world through our neighbor's eyes..."as you would that people should do to you, do the same to them." I ask you to put yourself in my place, and try to imagine yourself being told that the person you have dedicated 19 years of your life to cannot be recognized as your partner by society. You would definitely find yourself in "second class citizen" status. Try it. It's what Jesus would ask of you...and does ask of you.

chief22 wrote:

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No, the Word doesn't condem you, however as well versed in scripture as you say you are, well aware what is written about the behavior associated with homosexuality, as you know all too well God does condem sinful deeds.

I also know from scripture that all things are lawful to us now in Christ Jesus...the only requirements are that we love God and love our neighbor, and as long as my behavior violates neither, then it is acceptable to God.

chief22 wrote:

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Nothing of the soart. Christians don't advocate the killing of homosexuals, what is advocated is the repenting of sinful behavior. I don't believe that not being able to marry sputs people in the "second Class citizen" catigory.

No, Uganda is about as close as you can get to a Christian Theocracy outside of Rome. The Bill has been spearheaded by numerous Ugandan christian organizations.

Josh in New Orleans wrote:

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No, Uganda is about as close as you can get to a Christian Theocracy outside of Rome. The Bill has been spearheaded by numerous Ugandan christian organizations.

So it is ok to hate all muslims for the actions of the extremists? Ok to hate all blacks when a black person commits a crime? Ok to hate all Hispanics because of the actions of the Colombian drug lords?

nkeithf wrote:

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Chief, one of the things Jesus taught was the idea of putting ourselves in our neighbor's place, seeing the world through our neighbor's eyes..."as you would that people should do to you, do the same to them." I ask you to put yourself in my place, and try to imagine yourself being told that the person you have dedicated 19 years of your life to cannot be recognized as your partner by society. You would definitely find yourself in "second class citizen" status. Try it. It's what Jesus would ask of you...and does ask of you.

Still doesn't justify sinful behavior. Nothing Jesus taught told us to accept sin, but to condem it and turn away from it.

Josh in New Orleans wrote:

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No, Uganda is about as close as you can get to a Christian Theocracy outside of Rome. The Bill has been spearheaded by numerous Ugandan christian organizations.

If you are refering ti the LRA, they are many things but they are not Christian, even by the most liberal definition.

chief22 wrote:

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Still doesn't justify sinful behavior. Nothing Jesus taught told us to accept sin, but to condem it and turn away from it.

... quick to point out sinfulness in others, yet blind to your own. How very interesting.

Personally, I prefer to hang around with people who affirm one another rather than those who judge and condemn one another.

IMOM wrote:

<quoted text>So it is ok to hate all muslims for the actions of the extremists? Ok to hate all blacks when a black person commits a crime? Ok to hate all Hispanics because of the actions of the Colombian drug lords?

Absolutely not. You misunderstand. The actions of terrorists, gangs, drug lords, and war lords are despicable. So are the actions of self-professed "Christian" Churches in Uganda who woo their congregations on passing legislation such as the aforementioned death penalty for being gay. The difference is a matter of awareness as to the level of association American congregations really do have with backwards, anti-gay churches in Africa who's mission it is not to strip LGBT people of the right to marry, but to see to it that we have no right at all, no freedom, or even the right to live for that matter.

The Catholic Church released its statement on the topic - they oppose the death penalty so long as there are enough resources for imprisonment and just the same mention the number of individuals with "homosexual tendencies" is not insignificant. Heard the Vatican loud and clear on that one.

chief22 wrote:

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If you are refering ti the LRA, they are many things but they are not Christian, even by the most liberal definition.

Is that your answer to everything? You're not associated with that because you are a REAL Christian and haters like them are really just the lower case variety? Well, guess what? You spend all this time blogging against gay equality, so how does that make you any better?

Chief, you need know who you are on the other side of that fence with.

LuLu Ford wrote:

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... quick to point out sinfulness in others, yet blind to your own. How very interesting.

I am guilty of a number of sins, but sodomy is not one of them,

Josh in New Orleans wrote:

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Is that your answer to everything? You're not associated with that because you are a REAL Christian and haters like them are really just the lower case variety? Well, guess what? You spend all this time blogging against gay equality, so how does that make you any better?
Chief, you need know who you are on the other side of that fence with.

I blog against the fundamental redefinition of Marriage, in this thread, that is all, I don't consider the westbourough baptist folks Christians either, I don't consider the flds part of the Mormon church either.