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nkeithf wrote:

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And by the way, the coordination comes in the fact that Matthew and Luke both used Mark, but changed the details of the stories that Mark told...and changed the sequence...and added things...and deleted things. So in a sense, yes, there was coordination...but the compilers of Matthew and Luke didn't like the details they saw in Mark. In fact, the compiler of Luke says he's setting out to correct the errors in the other gospel....

chief22 wrote:

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So you were the scribe? that recorded it for them?

Ura Joke wrote:

<quoted text>Many,many,many scribes have tinkered with your bible, each adding or subtracted as they or the ruling powers saw fit.

chief22 wrote:

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So who were they...

Ura Joke wrote:

<quoted text>The many many scribes. I don't have individual names, as most were lost to history.

chief22 wrote:

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So you are really just trying to be disparraging.

Ura Joke wrote:

<quoted text>sigh...no just truthful. If I was being disparaging, I'd call your bible another book of fables on par with Aesop's Tales or Peter Rabbit. The editing of your bible still continues to this day.....
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20091009...

chief22 wrote:

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So you were the scribe? that recorded it for them?

Ura Joke wrote:

<quoted text>sigh...no just truthful. If I was being disparaging, I'd call your bible another book of fables on par with Aesop's Tales or Peter Rabbit. The editing of your bible still continues to this day.....
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20091009...

nkeithf wrote:

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Chief, you're just being willfully ignorant here. You need to research this. Read any standard text on how the Bible came to be, and you will learn. Until then, there's no arguing with your ignorance of your own Holy Book. There was no "scribe." We have NO--count 'em, NO--original manuscripts...we have hundreds and hundreds of manuscripts and fragments of manuscripts of pieces of the various books of the Bible. They differ from one another over and over again, for the same books. They use different words, they omit verses, they add verses, they rearrange verses. The gospel of Mark didn't even originally have a resurrection story--it ended with the women running from the tomb, terrified, and they tell no one. The rest of the book was added later in other manuscripts. There is no person identifiable as Matthew, Mark, Luke or John who "wrote" any of them. Not one of the synoptic gospels claims to have been written by the person that tradition says wrote it. Only the gospel of John implies that it was written by the beloved disciple, though it seems that it was written by the Christians who followed John the disciple. Only some of the letters attributed to Paul were written by Paul. This isn't "liberal" scholarship, this is the prevailing, vast majority of scholars who believe this. I have spent many years studying this subject, myself, and while not an "expert," I am informed, and you need to make yourself informed, as well. It will actually strengthen your faith to study the Book that you profess to love.

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Maybe in 3000 years when Aesop gets a central figure in which all the tales revolve around and most of the characters worship, maybe a comparrison could, possibily, and around the cornor, could be made.

Ura Joke wrote:

<quoted text>I was thinking more in the line of moral tales, the comparison is valid. Peter Rabbit should not have been mentioned. I went overboard with that one.

chief22 wrote:

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My response never took inot account 'peter rabit.' You too, have a great Veterins day.

chief22 wrote:

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I have read several versions of how the Bible came to be, there seems to be the consensus that it depends on which side of the fence you are on.
you make alot of statements here with no back-up, you forget one thing I was an athiest for about 20 years of my life, took every oppurtunity to jab at Christians and the Bible, similiar to what you are doing now. Then I grew up and saw the Light, now I have been Born-Again and accept Jesus in my life.

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Josh in New Orleans wrote:

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Chief, maybe when you were an atheist the answer to leaving your previous faith behind was to trash everything about it, but not everyone who leaves the Christian faith, or never was Christian is attempting to do the same by pointing out the facts of what is/is not known about the Bible. Take myself for instance. Culturally, I was raised a Catholic, Lutheran, and Voodist all at the same time. My family was big on the idea that kids should choose their faith themselves. And though no one expected I'd choose Voodoo, my reason for doing so had nothing to do with disdain for the Roman Catholic Church, Lutherans, or Jesus, it had everything to do with the fact that mystical spirituality fits more in line with what I believe is true. If you think I made a mistake, well fine then, but I can at least think for myself and highly recommend you do the same no matter what your faith happens to be.

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chief22 wrote:

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I could see your point if the Bible was just one book written by one person over his lifetime, but that is just not factual, many accounts are eyewitness accounts, from people who witnessed the miracles that Jesus preformed, and even the miracles that God performed centuries before Jesus. I wish I could take you back in time to show you for yourself.

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gemelk wrote:

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No sir. You logic does not stand.
None of the Gospels were written at the time of Jesus, most were not written until 50-100 (and more) years beyond his death. Thus they are not first hand accounts, but retellings of oral history.
Second, the Romans were quite meticulous in their record keeping. Examples include we know shipping manifests in detail, the number of brothels in cities and towns (for taxation), etc. No where does the Roman Government detail these miracles and little direct evidence of Jesus of Nazareth. Concurrently, even documents of the Great Sanhedrin survived, yet again, there is no mention of Jesus and nothing about miracles.
The Gospels, are documents of faith and at best oral history. There are some authors of the time that support his existence but these too are 2nd, 3rd, 4th and beyond accounts and not directly substantiated or evidenced.
As to the miracles that God performed - one only need look around at the natural world you inhabit. It is a profound miracle of life. Even in cities one can cross the VERY street and see the power of life in the weeds that grow in the cracks in the cement and asphalt of roadways. Conditions there should be so toxic as to prevent life, yet there it is.
Jesus merely stated what was in the Tanakh, that we are, ALL OF US, obligated to each other, to take care of each other, to treat each other as we wish to be treated ourselves, to take care of the children and the elderly, to feed and clothe the poor, to heal the sick and infirmed, to visit the prisoners in jails.
Sadly, we think that owning a bigger home or car or acquiring things or denying others healthcare or ignoring the homeless person on the corner are acceptable virtues. They are not.
I'm a Jew and I know these things to be true.
Eric

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Actually the Gosples were written 30-40 years after Jesus Assended to Heaven. I am sure you are aware of the accounts of the Miricles, and I was wondering where the Roman accounts would come from, unless you look at personal diaries, and journels, and Since you are well aware of history, I am also sure that you know that recorsds by civilizations leave out dark times or people that they don't want to be asscoiated with.

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chief22 wrote:

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I have read several versions of how the Bible came to be, there seems to be the consensus that it depends on which side of the fence you are on.
you make alot of statements here with no back-up, you forget one thing I was an athiest for about 20 years of my life, took every oppurtunity to jab at Christians and the Bible, similiar to what you are doing now. Then I grew up and saw the Light, now I have been Born-Again and accept Jesus in my life.