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spamworld
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So, I ask all of you who oppose the boycott to answer this question honestly...
We as a community should support a company that repeatedly breaks federal law just because they provide jobs to honest, hard working citizens?
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spamworld
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For those who sarcastically will answer yes, enjoy your lunch at M*****en.
Garlic chicken with a side order of child porn please.
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Clark Kent
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It's no use trying to reason with bigots who hate workers and blame them when their employer gets caught violating workers' rights. The same bozos probably blame the victim in cases of rape, insisting that a woman should just go along with it and not make waves.
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spamworld
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For those of you who think unions line the policticos pockets read the campaign spending regs before you make uneducated statements.
Donations are highly regulated and are public record.
From what I have heard from those that have tried to lease from HTH is that the rules and regs. are sheets long and that there is NO NEGOTIATING any of the terms.
Check out what should be prime retail space at PBH. Right on the corner facing the ocean. Its been empty for at least 6 months. Why?
This company does not know "local style" where we treat others like we wish to be treated ourselves.
On a side note, I find it amazing how posters from as far away as Connecticut know so well the intimate details of how business should be run here in Hawaii. Its the wonder of the internet i suppose.
Everyone(including me)can be an expert on the internet right? hehehe
I have talked to a few who have work there. FYI, I no longer eat at any of the resturants in that hotel :o[.
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spamworld
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I don't understand how people can think its okay to allow corporations to violate the law.
We all should be accountable to penalties when we get caught breaking laws right?
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Karen Chun
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Folks - even if you don't belong to a union, it is the unions who are keeping us from even lower wages than now.
The Republicans have systematically attacked Unions and fostered a lack of respect for working people who get together to try and offset some of the power that these offshore corporations have.
When you dis the unions, you are digging a hole under your own feet.
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Karen Chun
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I have no idea why a pit in the ground h o l e was censored!
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IdiAminDaDa
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spamworld wrote: On a side note, I find it amazing how posters from as far away as Connecticut know so well the intimate details of how business should be run here in Hawaii. Its the wonder of the internet i suppose.
Everyone(including me)can be an expert on the internet right? Yes you can be an expert..=) Um, I never said how business should be run. Afterall, the real Idi Amin loved strongarm tactics, yes? Just thought it strange that legislators would have a dog and pony show as opposed to actually talking to the management and working out a solution. It's easy to rile people's emotions. Harder to resolve problems. Further, some have called for a boycott. How would this affect the other workers? On the other hand, sounds like management could use a lesson in diplomacy as well. If there's a violation of Federal/State labor law, they'll be spanked accordingly. On a side note, and I'm not flaming here, have you ever visited a website outside of Hawaii... and posted? Just curious.
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IdiAminDaDa
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Karen Chun wrote: I have no idea why a pit in the ground h o l e was censored! Once wrote a-m-b-a-s-s-a-d-o-r. Same thing happened to 3 letters.=)
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Mahu
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If unions are such a good thing, why doesn't everyone belong to a union?
Let me educate you.
If everyone belong to a union, we'd be living in a communist country and no body would be working.
The collapse of the Soviet Union was because the workers made believe they were working and the government made believe they were paying their workers.
Viva La Union! Viva Castro!
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Common Sense
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Bet if you belonged to a union you would know better than to try red-baiting. Union members are very patriotic, many served honorably but that's something you can read about. The reason more people don't belong to unions is because of bad employers like Pacific Beach Hotel, who repeatedly violate the law and intimidate its workers with fear of being fired if they support the union. Management says they won't recognize the union because they believe the majority of the workers don't support the union. Check with the NLRB, management has no legal right to make such a claim. The NLRB certified the union as the workers' legal representative in a supervised election. This certification has no expiration and can only be invalided by another election. So the right question is what do you do with an employer who refuses to honor the legal rights of the majority and repeatedly violates this right by firing the strongest union supporters and threatening the rest with termination if they show support for the union? BOYCOTT! Mahu wrote: If unions are such a good thing, why doesn't everyone belong to a union?
Let me educate you.
If everyone belong to a union, we'd be living in a communist country and no body would be working.
The collapse of the Soviet Union was because the workers made believe they were working and the government made believe they were paying their workers.
Viva La Union! Viva Castro!
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Mahu
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Common Sense wrote: Bet if you belonged to a union you would know better than to try red-baiting. Union members are very patriotic, many served honorably but that's something you can read about.
The reason more people don't belong to unions is because of bad employers like Pacific Beach Hotel, who repeatedly violate the law and intimidate its workers with fear of being fired if they support the union. Management says they won't recognize the union because they believe the majority of the workers don't support the union. Check with the NLRB, management has no legal right to make such a claim. The NLRB certified the union as the workers' legal representative in a supervised election. This certification has no expiration and can only be invalided by another election. So the right question is what do you do with an employer who refuses to honor the legal rights of the majority and repeatedly violates this right by firing the strongest union supporters and threatening the rest with termination if they show support for the union?
BOYCOTT!
<quoted text> Extortion doesn't work well anymore! I hope the union workers get their arses fired! Then they can create their own jobs. Are these hotel workers so weak and unempowered that they need GOVERNMENT to intervene? If you don't appreciate the way you are being treated, if you believe you are underpaid. Walk. Go find another employer. If you are correct, no one would want to work for that company and the company will suffer and collapse. That's how the free market works. Only in a communist country does the tail try to wag the dog.
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Dave
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Why is a longshoreman union representing hotel workers? Why didn't Pac Beach workers go with Local 5?
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Westside Wind
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Common Sense wrote: We depend on lawmakers to enact fair laws such as minimum wage, pre-paid health care, workers compensation, family medical leave, to name a few, to protect workers from bad employers. Pacific Beach Hotel has repeatedly broken the law because it knows that our legal system is slow -- that's bad. Politicans supporting workers who have been standing up for their legal rights for six years against a bad employer -- that's good.
<quoted text> Aside from PBH and this union issue, how do you protect the other citizens from bad politicians?? In this scenario you may have the perfect storm; bad management, bad unions and bad politicians. All three groups must respect the "rights" of the tourist/visitors. When one pits the tourist against the other, then you've crossed the line. The real losers are the tourist that you idiots depend on to pay for your "right" to protest... But then again it's not about them is it, it's all about what you guys want. Idiots!
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Clark Kent
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Dave wrote: Why is a longshoreman union representing hotel workers? Why didn't Pac Beach workers go with Local 5? Longshore workers represent only a fraction of the ILWU. The majority work in tourism or in the general trades (bakeries, cemeteries, newspapers, auto dealers, grocery stores, etc.). Many Pac Beach workers have second or third jobs at other hotels to make ends meet, and have ample experience with Local 5. So they chose ILWU.
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spamworld
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Yes, from what i understand many laws have been broken. And the trial may take years. That is a real injustice. Realistically most workers will never see justice be done.
BTW, no one ever said that everyone should belong to a union. If you run your business well and treat employees fairly, there is no need for unions.
But, if you want to abuse and take advantage of workers much like the old plantations...well you get my drift.
IMO by mistreating workers, this corporation is bringing this boycott upon themselves.
Idi, never ment the comment to be taken as an insult to you personally. Yes i do post on websites round the internet. I suppose that its just the time zone deal that makes it easy for east coast posters to get first crack at these juicy threads. hehehe A bit of jealousy i suppose.
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spamworld
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Mahu, again with the rhetoric!
Im sure no one wants to scare away tourists. What other alternative is there. I hear a lot of what shouldn't be done. But very little of what should.
Comes down to my previous question that i have posted numerous times on thread relating to this topic. Still no answers.
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Dave
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Guess I would want big Elgin sit on my side of the bargaining table too...
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Common S
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WW, you asked how do you protect the other citizens from bad politicians? Vote them out of office. You do vote right?
What would you do if a restaurant over charged you and gave you bad service? I assume you wouldn't give them your business again and you would tell your friends not to eat there right? Well I think this is called a boycott. And, I assume you wouldn't stop dining at other fine restaurants just because of this one bad restaurant right?
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UNION GANG
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UNION = GANG
UNION = BULLYING
UNION = GREED
UNION = CONTROL
UNION = SUFFERING
UNION = SELF SATISFYING
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