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NTSB urged to reopen Interstate 35W bridge probe

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The firm that designed the fateful Interstate 35W bridge has asked the National Transportation Safety Board to reopen its investigation into the Aug.

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Beaver Cleaver

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We'll reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame, reopen and blame...
loved one of a victim

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This is not about blame. It's about taking responsibility and accountability. I personally know someone whose life was ruined when the bridge collapsed. No amount of money will fix what broke that day.
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The NTSB got it wrong??? Wouldn't be the first time. They are a bunch of arrogant pricks and many of their "investigators" have no background in the areas they investigate. As for the lawsuits, I have no problem with compensating the victims who were injured, as long as the compensation comes from the private sector. It was never PROVEN in a court of law that the state was negligent, so paying money to the injured from tax payer dollars was a complete sham. Typical Minnesota government...feel good knee jerk reaction.
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loved one of a victim wrote:
This is not about blame. It's about taking responsibility and accountability. I personally know someone whose life was ruined when the bridge collapsed. No amount of money will fix what broke that day.
So if no amount of money will fix it, why are we paying money then??
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Saturday Nov 7
 
Hmmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>So if no amount of money will fix it, why are we paying money then??
Because some politition wants your money that's why.
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Go Figurre wrote:
The NTSB got it wrong??? Wouldn't be the first time. They are a bunch of arrogant pricks and many of their "investigators" have no background in the areas they investigate. As for the lawsuits, I have no problem with compensating the victims who were injured, as long as the compensation comes from the private sector. It was never PROVEN in a court of law that the state was negligent, so paying money to the injured from tax payer dollars was a complete sham. Typical Minnesota government...feel good knee jerk reaction.
I have no relationship to NTSB, but have followed closely its investigation of bridges starting with the 1967 collapse of the Silver bridge , which was quite similar to 35W, which collapsed and killed 46 people. I have read almost all its reports especially the 35W bridge reports (yes, all thousands of pages of it!). I have to say that not only myself but anyone I know in bridge engineering community as well as airline safety agrees with me that NTSB is the most knowledgeable and most trusted agency not only in U.S. but throughout the world that can and does an in-depth and thorough investigation of airplane as well as bridges and other failed transportation equipment and structures. Seeing them in action I have nothing for them other than highest respect for their objectivity, independence , knowledge and integrity. You can bash any politician you like but please let us appreciate an agency that does what we expect it to do and provide us with safety.
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badgerone wrote:
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Because some politition wants your money that's why.
This has nothing to do with politicians. Some engineer(s) have done something wrong here that has resulted in 13 people being crushed under this bridge or drawn in Mississippi. If one of them was your loved one, not only you would make sure that those who did this get punished for their action but this be a lesson to other bridge engineers and construction companies to be more careful in the future. Nothing gets the message to these engineers and construction executives than paying a big fine for what they have caused to innocent users of their product. This is the way "justice for all" in this great democracy of ours work.
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Baby boomers love being victims -- it's a form of masturbation.

The bridge collapsed!! It was on TV!!! It was a bad thing!! We know what happened.

Troops are dying and putting themselves in danger on a daily basis. Meanwhile douchey lawyers are stealing their bullet money with cheesy victim lawsuits.
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Bill Kallman has a different explanation for the collapse of the 35W bridge. Mr. Kallman is a VERY seasoned bridge engineer but NTSB ignored his experiance and went with an erroneous conclusion of under engineered gussets!

Let the NTSB reopen the investigation and do it right this time!

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I have no relationship to NTSB, but have followed closely its investigation of bridges starting with the 1967 collapse of the Silver bridge , which was quite similar to 35W, which collapsed and killed 46 people. I have read almost all its reports especially the 35W bridge reports (yes, all thousands of pages of it!). I have to say that not only myself but anyone I know in bridge engineering community as well as airline safety agrees with me that NTSB is the most knowledgeable and most trusted agency not only in U.S. but throughout the world that can and does an in-depth and thorough investigation of airplane as well as bridges and other failed transportation equipment and structures. Seeing them in action I have nothing for them other than highest respect for their objectivity, independence , knowledge and integrity. You can bash any politician you like but please let us appreciate an agency that does what we expect it to do and provide us with safety.
Bridge Repair Money

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Sam wrote:
Bill Kallman has a different explanation for the collapse of the 35W bridge. Mr. Kallman is a VERY seasoned bridge engineer but NTSB ignored his experiance and went with an erroneous conclusion of under engineered gussets!
Let the NTSB reopen the investigation and do it right this time!
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Looking at photos of the bridge before the collapse, It wasn't a design mistake. You don't have to be an engineer to see it was a rusty old bridge. And they added extra lanes to it.

Everyone is at fault for the bridge collapse - including the people who funded and built a stadium instead of making important updates.
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Sam wrote:
Bill Kallman has a different explanation for the collapse of the 35W bridge. Mr. Kallman is a VERY seasoned bridge engineer but NTSB ignored his experiance and went with an erroneous conclusion of under engineered gussets!
Let the NTSB reopen the investigation and do it right this time!
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooes. Don't question the NTSB. They are EXPERTS in everything.:rolleyes:
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BridgeEngineerNas_sah wrote:
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I have no relationship to NTSB, but have followed closely its investigation of bridges starting with the 1967 collapse of the Silver bridge , which was quite similar to 35W, which collapsed and killed 46 people. I have read almost all its reports especially the 35W bridge reports (yes, all thousands of pages of it!). I have to say that not only myself but anyone I know in bridge engineering community as well as airline safety agrees with me that NTSB is the most knowledgeable and most trusted agency not only in U.S. but throughout the world that can and does an in-depth and thorough investigation of airplane as well as bridges and other failed transportation equipment and structures. Seeing them in action I have nothing for them other than highest respect for their objectivity, independence , knowledge and integrity. You can bash any politician you like but please let us appreciate an agency that does what we expect it to do and provide us with safety.
So you are saying that the Silver Bridge, which was an eyebar-chain suspension bridge, is "quite similar" to the I-35W bridge, which was a steel truss arch bridge?? I'm laughing my ass off right now.
Sam

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Sunday Nov 8
 
There was an interstate bridge in Ohio of the same construction type as the 35W bridge that was being media blasted when the entire bridge dropped a number of inches.

The construction workers evacuated the bridge and it was shut down.

They replced all the gussets and the bridge is in use today.

In my mind that is a pretty good indication the gussets were corroded to a point of failure. It seems like at that point in time there should have been a nationwide alert on those types of bridges to examine the corrosion levels of the gussets and replace as needed.

Government in in-action!

And BHO wants government run healthcare!!

I'll be investing in cemetaries and crematorians, sounds like Nazi Germany..

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<quoted text>So you are saying that the Silver Bridge, which was an eyebar-chain suspension bridge, is "quite similar" to the I-35W bridge, which was a steel truss arch bridge?? I'm laughing my **** off right now.
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Tuesday Nov 10
 
From the very beginning I was always certain that the frozen bearings were the major reason for the collapse. Another factors not yet pointed are:
1. paved over deck joints, which increased thermal forces in the structure 3x or more
2. fraudulent or superficial inspections in the past - compare photos from past inspections - same photograph was used in three reports
3. incompetent evaluating personnel - URS report include calculation of the thermal forces (without contributin of the paved over deck) but fails short to add these to their "load rating" calculations.
There are same more contriubuting factors, like lack of regulatory provisions in both "Manual for Condition Evaluation of Bridges" or AASHTO specifications, but these were not primary cause.
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Tuesday Nov 10
 
The lawsuit abuse industry has forced bridge inspectors to call every bridge in the state "Structurally deficient"

The State passes off their liability on private engineers for insurance purposes.

No private inspection service in the world will say a bridge "structurally sound".
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