Defeating Hate Talk Radio

tampabayallstar wrote:

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Exactly Paula and you know what thats all these right wing hosts do is name call and yell and hang up on people. I am sure the GOP is not as bad as these hosts make them to be. The talk radio hosts are hurting the GOP cause, whatever that cause may be. The people on here just mimic these guys from the MILLIONAIRES CLUB , making tons off their gullible listeners.

Try Dennis Miller or Michael Medved then. They are always willing to debate and don't hang up if you disagree. Expand your horizons beyond the 'usual suspects' before you pass judgement.

Michael Jones wrote:

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If Obama did not do what he has done the system would have crashed. It was crashing as we left the Bush Cheney era.
Left to go on its own, we would have seen cities all over the nation go broke much faster than they are now, and fire and police protection go away except for the very rich. Are you ready for that kind of a breakdown in socieity? Of course prices are on their way up. That is how capitalism makes it from one fiscal year to the next.
I have been buying water and food for the last 8 months and now I have about a month's supply of each put away for just such a scenario. I have been buying guns and ammunition along with LOTS of other Americans.
We can thank Bush and Big Dick for this mess and we better hope Obama's plan works because if it does not America WILL sink into fascism, which is capitalism in decay.

What a complete load of crap. I especially like the part about only the rich receiving fire and police protection. And why do you not place any blame on democrats? Seek help. ROTFLAY

tampabayallstar wrote:

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All you do is label and name call. Very intelligent.

Oh please...and you DON'T? LOL

Michael Jones wrote:

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If Obama did not do what he has done the system would have crashed. It was crashing as we left the Bush Cheney era.
Left to go on its own, we would have seen cities all over the nation go broke much faster than they are now, and fire and police protection go away except for the very rich. Are you ready for that kind of a breakdown in socieity? Of course prices are on their way up. That is how capitalism makes it from one fiscal year to the next.
I have been buying water and food for the last 8 months and now I have about a month's supply of each put away for just such a scenario. I have been buying guns and ammunition along with LOTS of other Americans.
We can thank Bush and Big Dick for this mess and we better hope Obama's plan works because if it does not America WILL sink into fascism, which is capitalism in decay.

Do you blame Bush for your Limpy also?

Michael Jones wrote:

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If Obama did not do what he has done the system would have crashed. It was crashing as we left the Bush Cheney era.
Left to go on its own, we would have seen cities all over the nation go broke much faster than they are now, and fire and police protection go away except for the very rich. Are you ready for that kind of a breakdown in socieity? Of course prices are on their way up. That is how capitalism makes it from one fiscal year to the next.
I have been buying water and food for the last 8 months and now I have about a month's supply of each put away for just such a scenario. I have been buying guns and ammunition along with LOTS of other Americans.
We can thank Bush and Big Dick for this mess and we better hope Obama's plan works because if it does not America WILL sink into fascism, which is capitalism in decay.

Well Hi there!!
Im happy to here you say that
Obama prevented some of
these large company from failing.
And Bush did to, Lets not forget
that he is guilty of this.
You seem to be suggesting that
doing that is a good thing.
It was not not, It was the wrong thing to do.
Im not a economist,
And Im fairly sure that some will get a
big laugh from what I have to say.
I dont care!!
You are probley right that we
would have a crash with out the bail-outs.
How big and how wide spread its hard to say.
This money was injected into
many of these weak and in some cases
poorly ran companies.
And that permited them to continue to operate. Most of these failing companies do have competition in the market place.
Many of them struggling but healthy.
If the failing companies would have been permited to fail.
The healthy companies could crab
there market share.
But that did not happen.
Now bankers and other investors are
not real sure what companies are truely healthy.
Because the weak campanies are still running.
And lets not forget there was a
real problem with the CEO not being
honest in regaurd to books as to how
healthy they realy were.
So who do you loan to or do invest in or do buisness with. There is probley
a lot of doubt left in the market.
And as have said the healthy companies
would have realy prospered by
crabing the market share of the failed companies. Bring profitability
and job security to those companies that did things the right way.
Its a market correction and the Fed. Gov.
did let the market correction take place.

Michael Jones wrote:

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If Obama did not do what he has done the system would have crashed. It was crashing as we left the Bush Cheney era.
Left to go on its own, we would have seen cities all over the nation go broke much faster than they are now, and fire and police protection go away except for the very rich. Are you ready for that kind of a breakdown in socieity? Of course prices are on their way up. That is how capitalism makes it from one fiscal year to the next.
I have been buying water and food for the last 8 months and now I have about a month's supply of each put away for just such a scenario. I have been buying guns and ammunition along with LOTS of other Americans.
We can thank Bush and Big Dick for this mess and we better hope Obama's plan works because if it does not America WILL sink into fascism, which is capitalism in decay.

Ok I will comment on fire and police.
These and States need to
learn to keep there fiscal house in order.
Low taxes and low spending
is always the best policy.
When times get tuff and they
are straped for cash.
Then you have spending cuts, never raise taxes.
That is always the worst thing to do.
If anything lower taxes.
Look at the states that are fiscally sound and then look at the states that are not.
There is clearly a differance in
principles and ideology.
Its not an issue of rich and poor.

Gunner wrote:

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What a complete load of crap. I especially like the part about only the rich receiving fire and police protection. And why do you not place any blame on democrats? Seek help. ROTFLAY

Do you think that the rich would be among the first to lose such services?

In my sh t hole of a city, we are losing 25 cops because the city cannot afford to pay them. Up in Sacramento county, the sherrif got on TV and told the people of the city and county of Sacramento that their sherrif's dept cannot help them in the event of a burglary or property crime. He also said he cannot provide protection for the people. Did wonders for gun sales. Still is.

Of course democrats are just as much to blame. They have been spending more than they take in for way too long. But it was the Bush Cheney era that forced the economy into a free fall by their actions in the ME. Had they handeled that differently and NOT gone into Iraq we would not be here now. But they KNEW this was a danger...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Michael Jones wrote:

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If Obama did not do what he has done the system would have crashed. It was crashing as we left the Bush Cheney era.
Left to go on its own, we would have seen cities all over the nation go broke much faster than they are now, and fire and police protection go away except for the very rich. Are you ready for that kind of a breakdown in socieity? Of course prices are on their way up. That is how capitalism makes it from one fiscal year to the next.
I have been buying water and food for the last 8 months and now I have about a month's supply of each put away for just such a scenario. I have been buying guns and ammunition along with LOTS of other Americans.
We can thank Bush and Big Dick for this mess and we better hope Obama's plan works because if it does not America WILL sink into fascism, which is capitalism in decay.

Ok I will comment on, Bush
is cause of all this mess.
We conservatives here that all the time.
But seldom do you here a
conservative defend Bush.
Bush made mistakes and that was he
turned his back on conservative principles.
And I will not defend that.
Having said that there were thing Bush did that were great.
But I would ask to look into and
see what realy happend in housing
and the credit markets.
You will see the Democrats finger prints
all over this mess.
And Republican to, But much less then the Democrats.

Deb wrote:

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Well Hi there!!
Im happy to here you say that
Obama prevented some of
these large company from failing.
And Bush did to, Lets not forget
that he is guilty of this.
You seem to be suggesting that
doing that is a good thing.
It was not not, It was the wrong thing to do.
Im not a economist,
And Im fairly sure that some will get a
big laugh from what I have to say.
I dont care!!
You are probley right that we
would have a crash with out the bail-outs.
How big and how wide spread its hard to say.
This money was injected into
many of these weak and in some cases
poorly ran companies.
And that permited them to continue to operate. Most of these failing companies do have competition in the market place.
Many of them struggling but healthy.
If the failing companies would have been permited to fail.
The healthy companies could crab
there market share.
But that did not happen.
Now bankers and other investors are
not real sure what companies are truely healthy.
Because the weak campanies are still running.
And lets not forget there was a
real problem with the CEO not being
honest in regaurd to books as to how
healthy they realy were.
So who do you loan to or do invest in or do buisness with. There is probley
a lot of doubt left in the market.
And as have said the healthy companies
would have realy prospered by
crabing the market share of the failed companies. Bring profitability
and job security to those companies that did things the right way.
Its a market correction and the Fed. Gov.
did let the market correction take place.

Interesting Deb. You make me think and I thank you for that. You seem to think that a crash of our economic system would be a condition that would be livable. That our cities and towns would not decend into places that you or I would not tolerate.

If capitalism is allowed to decay like that the government would have to deploy troops to maintain order. Coming back from that would be much harder than what we are going through now.

tampabayallstar wrote:

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All you do is label and name call. Very intelligent. You really do show you can not debate when you go into the gutter like that and you are brainwashed by the AM folk.

Yes Im brainwashed by hate radio.
And have learned to hate others
that dont think as I do.
Im aslso not able to debate my principle.
Because Im not smart and
I beleive in hate and racism.
You are one of the few that have
got onto my secrete about
my hate and namecalling.
guilty as charged, lets move on now!!

Michael Jones wrote:

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Interesting Deb. You make me think and I thank you for that. You seem to think that a crash of our economic system would be a condition that would be livable. That our cities and towns would not decend into places that you or I would not tolerate.
If capitalism is allowed to decay like that the government would have to deploy troops to maintain order. Coming back from that would be much harder than what we are going through now.

Hi there
thank you for your kind words
But are economy could have crashed
in very very bad way if had not
bailed out the banks.
There was that very real risk.
We still could have a melt down.
That is very real risk.
I prey we dont.
And yes to come back from econmic
callapse would very difficult and painful.
The main differance in what I have said
and you have said.
Could be short term real pain.
Or long term mildly painful.
That not say that a big crash would not possibly drag on for years, that is possible.
Or the crash might not have been that bad.
Its hard to say.
But what Obama is doing and Bush started to do. Could cause a very big crash to.
I kinda think it will.
The debt is just crush the vary life out of us. But I could be wrong, And I pray that Im wrong.

Michael Jones wrote:

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Interesting Deb. You make me think and I thank you for that. You seem to think that a crash of our economic system would be a condition that would be livable. That our cities and towns would not decend into places that you or I would not tolerate.
If capitalism is allowed to decay like that the government would have to deploy troops to maintain order. Coming back from that would be much harder than what we are going through now.

You are way off. The infusions of cash did what to 'save' GM, AIG, Chrysler, etc. They took the money and still filed bankruptcy screwing their creditors anyway. The only thing this cash did was give the Obama administration enough control over these once independent corporations to dictate how they do business. That control allowed them to go into court and circumvent the existing established bankruptcy laws and screw their creditors even worse. What the sherriffs are doing is crying wolf with doomsday scenarios to prod people into action to shame lawmakers into raising taxes to get new funding. We do this dance every year in Illinois about the budget and they are nothing but empty threats.

marktheplumber wrote:

<quoted text>You are way off. The infusions of cash did what to 'save' GM, AIG, Chrysler, etc. They took the money and still filed bankruptcy screwing their creditors anyway. The only thing this cash did was give the Obama administration enough control over these once independent corporations to dictate how they do business. That control allowed them to go into court and circumvent the existing established bankruptcy laws and screw their creditors even worse. What the sherriffs are doing is crying wolf with doomsday scenarios to prod people into action to shame lawmakers into raising taxes to get new funding. We do this dance every year in Illinois about the budget and they are nothing but empty threats.

Yes they always do say
that they will cut safty services. And it is a bluff to get a tax voted in.
They do it Ohio to.
But they have lot of other things they can cut.
I call them on it. If you need to cut the fire dept. Fine!!
If you need cut busing for schools. Fine!!
But they dont of course.
Because they have other
less impotant places they cut first.
And we all know it.

Michael Jones wrote:

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Do you think that the rich would be among the first to lose such services?
In my sh t hole of a city, we are losing 25 cops because the city cannot afford to pay them. Up in Sacramento county, the sherrif got on TV and told the people of the city and county of Sacramento that their sherrif's dept cannot help them in the event of a burglary or property crime. He also said he cannot provide protection for the people. Did wonders for gun sales. Still is.
Of course democrats are just as much to blame. They have been spending more than they take in for way too long. But it was the Bush Cheney era that forced the economy into a free fall by their actions in the ME. Had they handeled that differently and NOT gone into Iraq

No one will 'lose' police and fire services. It's the government's responsibility to protect its citizens. If it came to a crisis point, the National Guard and other military units would intervene.

The war in Iraq is not THE reason we're in a recession. And if the democrats are just as much to blame, say so. Blaming the situation we're in on Bush/republicans/GOP is no more than an old, tired lie, and frankly just about everyone is getting sick of the politicians in power using it as an excuse for their continued failure.

marktheplumber wrote:

<quoted text>Then you are listening to the wrong hosts. A libertarian dem? How does that work? True libertarians don't affiliate with either party

I lean left on workers issues that is my short answer.

Gunner wrote:

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What a complete load of crap. I especially like the part about only the rich receiving fire and police protection. And why do you not place any blame on democrats? Seek help. ROTFLAY

Actually here in Chicago the stable and upscale neighborhoods are receiving less police protection because they have had to take some of our officers away to put into the crime ridden areas. When anything happens here it takes a while now to get the police here, when before we had constant patrols.

Michael Jones wrote:

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Do you think that the rich would be among the first to lose such services?
In my sh t hole of a city, we are losing 25 cops because the city cannot afford to pay them. Up in Sacramento county, the sherrif got on TV and told the people of the city and county of Sacramento that their sherrif's dept cannot help them in the event of a burglary or property crime. He also said he cannot provide protection for the people. Did wonders for gun sales. Still is.
Of course democrats are just as much to blame. They have been spending more than they take in for way too long. But it was the Bush Cheney era that forced the economy into a free fall by their actions in the ME. Had they handeled that differently and NOT gone into Iraq we would not be here now. But they KNEW this was a danger...
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Im sorry to here about your city.
Sometimes hard choices need made.
I pray for the people in the
in California.
Not just that the economy gets better,
more importantly that the people in that state learn from there mistakes.
The onley way out is if there is a
fundamental change in the
thinking and ideology from
the people in your state.
In regards to the wealthy they are
always going to certain advantages
the wealthy have
that others dont have.
There will always be wealthy people
and there will always be poor people.
When the government messes around
with either of those two classes of people.
The ones that suffer is the
The working middle class.
Class envey is such bad road to travel sweetie.
Try to stay clear of that.
If you or anyone has a desire to gain wealth.
Then I say good for you.
I and many others would cheer you on.
As for Iraq well It was other
thing going on, that crashed are economy.
You can disagree with Iraq, thats cool.
But are economy would have crashed
even with out the Iraq war.
That was a lot money spent on it.
Dont get me wrong.
So it did help.
But there was a lot other reasons why we crashed. Check some things out like the sub-prim loans.
To many people abousing credit.
Fule prices.
Liberal policies
high taxes high spending
Companies being overleveraged.
Housing bubble
I think to much outsourcing (others may disagree)
I think the minimum wage
is to high.(others will disagree)
The value of are dollar.
The sudden rise in food prices we had.
Confidence in the economy fell.
Scare tactics from the Fed Gov.

tampabayallstar wrote:

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I lean left on workers issues that is my short answer.

Why?

D1-25-5-br wrote:

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Shakespeare wrote " In order to improve things in general , we must first kill all the lawyers" .
As a comparative reference , the same is applicable to our leadership . but we can not just kill them. That is plainly illegal and would just cause anarchy and chaos . However , we can take them out at the polls . This will serve the purpose , so long as we always remember that both republicans and democrats are inbred liars and thieves . Therefore , live by the axiom that voting for either of those two criminal gang members will never change anything , and it will never fix anything. Vote for the dog catcher. The
carpenter. The secretary. The local cop. Anybody who is willing to shed the criminal background
of association of either of those two parties .
" A little revolution , now and then , is a good thing" . Thomas Jefferson . Cheers!!

I agree the two parties have faild.
I put my principles before party.
But I do think for right now
are options are somewhat
limited to voting party.
But I would love to see more
working class people run for office.
Liberal or conservative mostley conservative.

Michael Jones wrote:

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Do you think that the rich would be among the first to lose such services?
In my sh t hole of a city, we are losing 25 cops because the city cannot afford to pay them. Up in Sacramento county, the sherrif got on TV and told the people of the city and county of Sacramento that their sherrif's dept cannot help them in the event of a burglary or property crime. He also said he cannot provide protection for the people. Did wonders for gun sales. Still is.
Of course democrats are just as much to blame. They have been spending more than they take in for way too long. But it was the Bush Cheney era that forced the economy into a free fall by their actions in the ME. Had they handeled that differently and NOT gone into Iraq we would not be here now. But they KNEW this was a danger...
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Hi there
I also forgot to say that the first
wave of baby boomers are
approaching retirement and have
been pulling back on spending.
And something else that we here
little about is that things
like cars and tires are of better
quality and last longer.
Tires last longer,
less of them being sold.
accept for the cheep junk ones made in China.