The Airbus A320 assembly line at the factory in Toulouse-Blagna...

Brown Sugar and william,

I made the comment because you two have more in common than you think.

NotAmused wrote:

Brown Sugar and william,
I made the comment because you two have more in common than you think.

Care to be more specific?

Heres but an example should the A380 break even I.E. sell roughly 380 aircraft and become successful Europe and the US win. why because the engines for the 380 are made in the US as well as many other parts for the A380.

should 787 or 777 be successfulin a bid and sold then US and Europe win again as tools and die equipment in Boeing factorys are made in Germany and the seats in France and again many other parts are sourced and built in Europe for Boeing.

what the world does not realize its a case of Pepsi or Coke on the shelf. you really don't have a choice they have just created the preception of choice. this is even more apparent when you look at the holders of stock for air bus and boeing oddly enough they have a lot of the same Investment compainies so in turn the same people holding both companies stock. The Europeans and the Americans have worked out a deal so that any wide body jet sold in the world will be sold by them benifitting the G7 only. I know Japan is in the G7 they get to build the new 777-300er wing sections

this was done to make it as difficult as possible for the Upstarts India and more Importantly China not to be able to break into this 30% or better marked up commodity.

the boeing airbus fued whos number one is smoke and mirrors because at the end of the day as long as it is a boeing or airbus that is sold both EU and the USA win.

So everything else written before this is mute

concerned wrote:

Heres but an example should the A380 break even I.E. sell roughly 380 aircraft and become successful Europe and the US win. why because the engines for the 380 are made in the US as well as many other parts for the A380.
should 787 or 777 be successfulin a bid and sold then US and Europe win again as tools and die equipment in Boeing factorys are made in Germany and the seats in France and again many other parts are sourced and built in Europe for Boeing.
what the world does not realize its a case of Pepsi or Coke on the shelf. you really don't have a choice they have just created the preception of choice. this is even more apparent when you look at the holders of stock for air bus and boeing oddly enough they have a lot of the same Investment compainies so in turn the same people holding both companies stock. The Europeans and the Americans have worked out a deal so that any wide body jet sold in the world will be sold by them benifitting the G7 only. I know Japan is in the G7 they get to build the new 777-300er wing sections
this was done to make it as difficult as possible for the Upstarts India and more Importantly China not to be able to break into this 30% or better marked up commodity.
the boeing airbus fued whos number one is smoke and mirrors because at the end of the day as long as it is a boeing or airbus that is sold both EU and the USA win.
So everything else written before this is mute

How is Embraer doing?

william wrote:

<quoted text>
Brown Sugar, keep on with your name calling, bias, dedain for Europeans and general ignorance. You are just lowering the tone on this forum and giving a very bad image of America and Americans.
If you were in charge of your country's PR, you would be a disaster. About your so-called patriotism, somebody said: "PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL".
That's suits you fine... You are someone who ran out of ideas and keep repeating himself.

Provide an address and I will send an English dictionary over your way. Never going to be in charge of PR anywhere....too honest and forthright. I'm guessing you are the head of Protocol and Diplomacy in the UK.

A380, mAn thats one big... size of one big football field. Not in my backyard! Do we really want something that large? Is economically feasible? Safety? The noise?

Steve wrote:

<quoted text>
The A380 engines are built by Rolls Royce in the UK

Engines
Engines
Either the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 or Engine Alliance GP7200 turbofans may power the A380. Both are derived from the predecessors Trent 800, GE90 and PW4000.

Dude the GP7200 is built in the US and up to this point is more of the A380 then RR

The competing Rolls-Royce plc Trent 900 was named as the lead engine for the then-named A3XX in 1996 and was initially selected by almost all A380 customers. However the GE/PW engine increased its share of the A380 engine market to the point where it will now power 48% of the super-jumbo fleet. This disparity in sales was resolved in a single transaction, with Emirates' order of 45 GP7000-powered A380-800s, comprising over one third of A380 sales (as of 2005). Emirates has traditionally been a Rolls-Royce customer. A380 aircraft powered by the GP7200s will have A380-86X model numbers as 6 is the code for Engine Alliance engines

The 48% was in 2005 but since then has surpassed RR and has become the engine of choice for the 380

check your facts before you write sunshine.

all from Wikipedia
enjoy the truth it will set you free

Brown Sugar wrote:

<quoted text>
How is Embraer doing?

Doing fine fighting with Canadair (bombardiar) for sales.

Just a note both of the above companies do not sell wide body jets.
Just in case you are trying communicate a Subliminal
message

concerned wrote:

<quoted text>Engines
Engines
Either the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 or Engine Alliance GP7200 turbofans may power the A380. Both are derived from the predecessors Trent 800, GE90 and PW4000.
Dude the GP7200 is built in the US and up to this point is more of the A380 then RR
The competing Rolls-Royce plc Trent 900 was named as the lead engine for the then-named A3XX in 1996 and was initially selected by almost all A380 customers. However the GE/PW engine increased its share of the A380 engine market to the point where it will now power 48% of the super-jumbo fleet. This disparity in sales was resolved in a single transaction, with Emirates' order of 45 GP7000-powered A380-800s, comprising over one third of A380 sales (as of 2005). Emirates has traditionally been a Rolls-Royce customer. A380 aircraft powered by the GP7200s will have A380-86X model numbers as 6 is the code for Engine Alliance engines
The 48% was in 2005 but since then has surpassed RR and has become the engine of choice for the 380
check your facts before you write sunshine.
all from Wikipedia
enjoy the truth it will set you free

I always enjoy the truth and real facts. However, there is real doubt about same coming from Wikipedia.

concerned wrote:

<quoted text>
Doing fine fighting with Canadair (bombardiar) for sales.
Just a note both of the above companies do not sell wide body jets.
Just in case you are trying communicate a Subliminal
message

No subliminal message. It's common knowledge that Embraer does not build/sell wide body jets. Always liked the E product, but not Bombardair stuff.

Brown Sugar wrote:

<quoted text>
I always enjoy the truth and real facts. However, there is real doubt about same coming from Wikipedia.

No problems go to the GE/PW website check out there news releases
In any event it’s clear as in my original post that the Europeans and Americans have created a Monopoly that is in disguise and no seems to respond to great implications of this.
You see a true right wing conservative does not believe in Monopolies they believe in fair trade and open markets. This is not Capitalism this is socialism of the highest order maybe you believe in that fair enough I am trying to make people aware of what clearly has taken place.

Brown Sugar wrote:

<quoted text>
No subliminal message. It's common knowledge that Embraer does not build/sell wide body jets. Always liked the E product, but not Bombardair stuff.

Change spelling to read: Bombardier. Regrets.

Right. Sounds like we've got another AvB war here. If I may interject...
Both Boeing and Airbus produce outstanding pieces of engineering - whenever I fly, my 13yr old mind is in constant awe at the complexity of these aircraft, NO MATTER WHAT MAKE AND MANUFACTURER!!
The market does seem to fluctuate - Airbus is on top sometimes, Boeing other times. I myself like Airbus more, but I am NOT going to try to force that view upon everyone here, unlike some people...
Some of you may recognise what I want to do here - a structured argument is far better than alot of stupidly patriotic idiots (not saying any of you here are) virtually shouting 'lol' and 'airbus/boeing sucks' at each other across the 'net.
Seems to me that Boeing has been being a bit timid in terms of new concepts over the past few years - first the original 747X concept was shelved, then the 'Blended Wing Body'(there were good reasons for that one, granted, as an emergency evacuation would take too long) and then the sonic cruiser. However, that looks to have gone away.
Should be a good battle over the next few years (*rubs hands together*)...

P.S. what would be really nice would be to see the intercontinental 'slanging match' between boeing and airbus themselves - that would seem much more mature.

oops... what I meant to say was 'intercontinental 'slanging match' between boeing and airbus subside - makes more sense now doesn't it?

Third in a row...

Brown sugar, what you are doing and saying amounts to racism.

Speaking of bad government, yours isn't exactly perfect is it?

Brown Sugar, I just read your comment on 'william is an atheistic barstard' post. Ignorant, selfish, idiotic, closed-minded and pathetic people such as you make my blood boil.

Now you really are amounting to true racism. How can you call yourselves the 'land of the free' with this kind of bullsh*t spouting out of redneck mouths like yours. I am an atheist. I look on the whole christian philosophy as an elaborated version of 'Harry Potter'. But I don't insult people because they are christian.

That's what puts people like me above people like you. Plus, isn't christianity all about peace and love? I'm not seein' a whole lotta from you.

You must have a bigger ego than Michael Jackson...

An idea has just popped into my teenage head.....

It's obvious most, if not all, of us here are unimpressed by 'Brown sugar's' one sided, over-patriotic, closed-minded, racist, simplistic, evangelic, idiotic, pathetic, predudicial posts. We can do one of two things;

All go elsewhere leaving him to rant at himself

or

All repeatedly tell him to 'get stuffed' until his half-formed, hillbilly head has gotten the idea

How about it?

The A-380 has lured far fewer buyers than expected and has experienced large number of cancellations and performance penalties amounting to a $6.1 billion loss for Airbus, so far. The A-380 is being built by hauling large components through small villages in the middle of the night. There is nothing to suggest that Boeing, with the finest production lines in the world, will not meet or exceed its commitments. Boeing's engineering team was so good with the 777 that the aircraft weighed in at 34 pounds LESS than predicted weight. The A-380, with wiring and production problems, came in 10,000 pounds overweight! The A-380 passenger capacity has been drastically reduced to the point where it only offers 53 more seats than the new version of the 747. The new 787 has already booked 500+ orders, is on schedule and proves the Boeing was right: airlines are looking for efficient longhauls with cabin pressures of 6,000' and moving away from the hub network and airport infrastructure changes that the A-380 requires.

Douglas wrote:

Third in a row...
Brown sugar, what you are doing and saying amounts to racism.
Speaking of bad government, yours isn't exactly perfect is it?

Wrong!

Douglas wrote:

Brown Sugar, I just read your comment on 'william is an atheistic barstard' post. Ignorant, selfish, idiotic, closed-minded and pathetic people such as you make my blood boil.
Now you really are amounting to true racism. How can you call yourselves the 'land of the free' with this kind of bullsh*t spouting out of redneck mouths like yours. I am an atheist. I look on the whole christian philosophy as an elaborated version of 'Harry Potter'. But I don't insult people because they are christian.
That's what puts people like me above people like you. Plus, isn't christianity all about peace and love? I'm not seein' a whole lotta from you.
You must have a bigger ego than Michael Jackson...

So your blood is boiling? Well, here's hoping we can stirr it and make it boil, roll and tumble even more. Atheistic, limp-wrist bastards always resort to name-calling much like small girls. Is it true that your country's security level has been raised from "Miffed" to "Peeved?" Now calm down and let's get it on!