Northwest Flight Attendants Reject Cuts

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Northwest Airlines Corp. flight attendants rejected a pay cut package on Tuesday, setting up a possible showdown with the nation's fifth-largest carrier.

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Thanks all of you Very Brave F/A's.
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This company has a history of abhorent labor relations. Glad to see at least one group not willing to prostitute themselves and their trade. The large bonuses to airline executives, when emerging from bankrupcy are a travisty. Airlines want to have their cake and eat it too. Run to bankruptcy court to shed pensions and labor agreements, and when the judge bangs the gaval in their favor, say that employees don't have the right to strike under the Railway Labor act... typical big business logic. A bunch of crap. Talk to the politicians about changing the bandruptcy law to disallow such abuse and they all back pedal; Republican and Democrat. Gee, perhaps Northwest will offer some kind of worthless stock plan again, as in the past, and not pay up when the time came due. Way to go F/As!
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This company has a history of abhorent labor relations. Glad to see at least one group not willing to prostitute themselves and their trade. The large bonuses to airline executives, when emerging from bankrupcy are a travisty. Airlines want to have their cake and eat it too. Run to bankruptcy court to shed pensions and labor agreements, and when the judge bangs the gaval in their favor, say that employees don't have the right to strike under the Railway Labor act... typical big business logic. A bunch of crap. Talk to the politicians about changing the bandruptcy law to disallow such abuse and they all back pedal; Republican and Democrat. Gee, perhaps Northwest will offer some kind of worthless stock plan again, as in the past, and not pay up when the time came due. Way to go F/As!
I think one group (AMFA) has ALREADY stood up to these thieves!

The F/A's make it two groups!
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I am a Delta FA and I gotta hand it to the brave folks (AMFA/PFAA). You guys and gals are the best. I will choose you anytime I can to passride/purchase. I am blown away by your courage.
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No one should have to take a pay cut. I congratulate the flight attendants for their stand, but hey should have struck with the mechanics. A lot of talk about union brothers and sisters while everyone is crossing the otherís line.
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Jun 6, 2006
 
The Aircraft Mechanic's said no way, the Flight Attendant's said
not no, but hell no, the Pilot's said "No Pension, No Agreement".
Well Mr. Doug Steenland, looks like Gary & Al are going to have
to send you packing; sorry, you just don't cut it! Anybody know
where John Dasburg is, or even 'The Wolfman'? You wonderful Flt.
Attn's are true Heroes, Hold-up your Head's in Victory, you all
are winner's. God Bless You All!
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Change is hard. Our industry is in turmoil.

What bothers me the most about this is all anyone ever does is point at some other guy and blame him. Sorry, this will get us as employees nothing. The sad part is we will stumble around and complain about a pay cut and do nothing to try to strategically position ourselves and our company for the future. The unions and their ridiculous diatribe only serve to magnify the problem. We shouldnt be worrying about a stupid pay cut. We should instead be trying to work with these guys to position ourselves to succeed in the future. The industry will continue to change. We need to anticipate the changes and adjust. The unions ought to try to strategically develop plans to deal with this, not just make plans to produce signs and gather people for a strike.

It takes two sides to make a war. We employees need to own this problem too. Failure to do so will result in nothing but all of us on the street. I guess some would like that and I guess I don't understand why.

Don't bother to respond to this posting if you want to say something about thieving management people. You would just be proving my point.

I would be interested if there were ideas out there as to how we can make plans to work with our employer to ensure NWA succeeds.
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Change is hard. Our industry is in turmoil.
What bothers me the most about this is all anyone ever does is point at some other guy and blame him. Sorry, this will get us as employees nothing. The sad part is we will stumble around and complain about a pay cut and do nothing to try to strategically position ourselves and our company for the future. The unions and their ridiculous diatribe only serve to magnify the problem. We shouldnt be worrying about a stupid pay cut. We should instead be trying to work with these guys to position ourselves to succeed in the future. The industry will continue to change. We need to anticipate the changes and adjust. The unions ought to try to strategically develop plans to deal with this, not just make plans to produce signs and gather people for a strike.
It takes two sides to make a war. We employees need to own this problem too. Failure to do so will result in nothing but all of us on the street. I guess some would like that and I guess I don't understand why.
Don't bother to respond to this posting if you want to say something about thieving management people. You would just be proving my point.
I would be interested if there were ideas out there as to how we can make plans to work with our employer to ensure NWA succeeds.
Finally, a voice of reason!
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a pilot wrote:
Change is hard. Our industry is in turmoil.
What bothers me the most about this is all anyone ever does is point at some other guy and blame him. Sorry, this will get us as employees nothing. The sad part is we will stumble around and complain about a pay cut and do nothing to try to strategically position ourselves and our company for the future. The unions and their ridiculous diatribe only serve to magnify the problem. We shouldnt be worrying about a stupid pay cut. We should instead be trying to work with these guys to position ourselves to succeed in the future. The industry will continue to change. We need to anticipate the changes and adjust. The unions ought to try to strategically develop plans to deal with this, not just make plans to produce signs and gather people for a strike.
It takes two sides to make a war. We employees need to own this problem too. Failure to do so will result in nothing but all of us on the street. I guess some would like that and I guess I don't understand why.
Don't bother to respond to this posting if you want to say something about thieving management people. You would just be proving my point.
I would be interested if there were ideas out there as to how we can make plans to work with our employer to ensure NWA succeeds.
If your a NWA pilot, you know your contract didn't get raped. You have FARs that regulate your daily limits. We dont. They took a lot from us and we finally said enough. The "voice of reason" did not take a 50% paycut.
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a pilot wrote:
Change is hard. Our industry is in turmoil.
What bothers me the most about this is all anyone ever does is point at some other guy and blame him. Sorry, this will get us as employees nothing. The sad part is we will stumble around and complain about a pay cut and do nothing to try to strategically position ourselves and our company for the future. The unions and their ridiculous diatribe only serve to magnify the problem. We shouldnt be worrying about a stupid pay cut. We should instead be trying to work with these guys to position ourselves to succeed in the future. The industry will continue to change. We need to anticipate the changes and adjust. The unions ought to try to strategically develop plans to deal with this, not just make plans to produce signs and gather people for a strike.
It takes two sides to make a war. We employees need to own this problem too. Failure to do so will result in nothing but all of us on the street. I guess some would like that and I guess I don't understand why.
Don't bother to respond to this posting if you want to say something about thieving management people. You would just be proving my point.
I would be interested if there were ideas out there as to how we can make plans to work with our employer to ensure NWA succeeds.
**UPDATE**

Sorry, that 50% was supposed to read vacation cut, not paycut...they also extended our duty days up to 14 hours...sometimes up to 22 hours internationally. We can take one for the team, but not this contract. Sorry, after 10 years I want more than 11 days vacation.
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a pilot wrote:
Change is hard. Our industry is in turmoil.
What bothers me the most about this is all anyone ever does is point at some other guy and blame him. Sorry, this will get us as employees nothing. The sad part is we will stumble around and complain about a pay cut and do nothing to try to strategically position ourselves and our company for the future. The unions and their ridiculous diatribe only serve to magnify the problem. We shouldnt be worrying about a stupid pay cut. We should instead be trying to work with these guys to position ourselves to succeed in the future. The industry will continue to change. We need to anticipate the changes and adjust. The unions ought to try to strategically develop plans to deal with this, not just make plans to produce signs and gather people for a strike.
It takes two sides to make a war. We employees need to own this problem too. Failure to do so will result in nothing but all of us on the street. I guess some would like that and I guess I don't understand why.
Don't bother to respond to this posting if you want to say something about thieving management people. You would just be proving my point.
I would be interested if there were ideas out there as to how we can make plans to work with our employer to ensure NWA succeeds.
NWA needs professional flight attendants, but professional flight attendants do not need NWA! I would not take any cut. I say strike until you get back everything you have lost.

Why should flight attendants that have to work their tails off 14-22 hours a day, only have 11 days off a year and only earn 15-30K a year have take pay cuts to provide golden parachutes for a lot of fat, incompetent managers?

Strike!
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You must be new at NWA. Please read your first sentance and apply it to management.
a pilot wrote:
Change is hard. Our industry is in turmoil.
What bothers me the most about this is all anyone ever does is point at some other guy and blame him. Sorry, this will get us as employees nothing. The sad part is we will stumble around and complain about a pay cut and do nothing to try to strategically position ourselves and our company for the future. The unions and their ridiculous diatribe only serve to magnify the problem. We shouldnt be worrying about a stupid pay cut. We should instead be trying to work with these guys to position ourselves to succeed in the future. The industry will continue to change. We need to anticipate the changes and adjust. The unions ought to try to strategically develop plans to deal with this, not just make plans to produce signs and gather people for a strike.
It takes two sides to make a war. We employees need to own this problem too. Failure to do so will result in nothing but all of us on the street. I guess some would like that and I guess I don't understand why.
Don't bother to respond to this posting if you want to say something about thieving management people. You would just be proving my point.
I would be interested if there were ideas out there as to how we can make plans to work with our employer to ensure NWA succeeds.
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Its time that everyone walked. These lieing theives are gutting Northwest and becomeing very, very rich in the process. Its time NWA employees stood for something besides being scabs and cutting their own deal while cutting others throuts. ( Scabs like the IAM ) No matter how much we give it will never, never be enough to satisfy these thugs running Northworst. Its time to dump that rat faced no chin moron and his side kick Andy.
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STRIKE, shut them down and destroy the golden parachutes!!!! Better to strike on your feet than work on your knees!
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Now that NWA has 'leashed' the pilots into a lousy contract they are back-peddling and making public their sentiments about dumping the pensions. Does that come as a surprise to anyone? Did anyone actually think they would hold up their end of the bargain? NWA Management playing foolish games with foolish pilots. They'll deserve that $35k annual pension. Oddly enough, most of us would languish with a $35K pension - but not the pilots!

"Purple Hearts" to all the mechanics and flight attendants that actually stood up for their rights. And if NWA does go down the tubes fear not - Southwest will be hiring. We will be ramping up over the next three years in unbelievable numbers - and you will LUV our management and employees!
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Oh, I have to say more to the pilot.
50% vacation cut
25% cut in sick pay (you call in sick and you get paid only 75% of your full salary)
21% cut in base pay
100% cut in short crew pay (basically $300-$600 per month)
No meals if you have a 13 hour day and no time to get food.
No more downtown hotels
14 - 22 hour working days (domestic/International)
20% more flying per month JUST TO MAKE WHAT YOU WERE MAKING BEFORE
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AND a 6 year term of the contract.
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We already took the 21% pay cut, has been for the last 7 months. But the greedy company also want to make us slaves by changing work rules that we fought for the last 30-35 years. With no give back when the company is making profit in the future.That is the main reason it is a NO vote!
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AND a 6 year term of the contract.
STRIKE!!!!!!! Bring the theaves to their knees!
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You can only kick the dog so many times before he bites and he finally bit back. Hats off for the FA's standing up for what we believed in. Frankly I'm tired of hearing pilots cry or pilots wives cry about they've got to sell thier second home when I've got to worry about my only home. Who are you to judge that we should give up so much, to help those at the top to keep what they have and more, made off the backs of employee's who are here for the long run while Owners, CEO's and Upper Management take our money and run. With the paycuts they wanted from the FA's, we would either have to fly more or get another job on the side to make it even out. None of the TA benefited me, they want Professional Flight Attendants for McDonald's wages. And for upper management to say they are going to impose what they want on the FA's is crazy. I really believe they think they are above the law or high one. Did they really think we would be so frightened by thier threats that we would vote yes? Think again.

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