Top Muslim clerics: Convert must die

KSB wrote:

I think its better to Isolate the Islamic world from the western world. So what do you think am I right or am I wrong.

god wrote:

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absolutely right. muzs & kafirs dont mix except in bloodshed

elewm wrote:

All punishment for apostasy comes from Hadiths. The Qur'an discusses apostacy in Suras 16:106, 3:90-91, 5:54, 3:72, and 4:137. Except 16:106-109, all these verses appears in surahs identified as Madinan and belong to the period when the Islamic state had been established. No verse in the Qur'an explicitly prescribes an earthly penalty for apostasy.
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The Hadith are part of the holy books of Islam. They are heavily relied on for determining Shri'ah law.
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Sahih Bukhari, http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadi...
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Narrated 'Abdullah:
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Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
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Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
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Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said,'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said,'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
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That was just two of many. Indeed Shri'ah does prescribe death for apostates. Many more secular muslim countries, like Egypt no longer execute Islamic apostates. But they do ruin the persons' life. They are made to divorce their spouse, loose all parental rights, loose their jobs and all their proporty.
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For example the Egypian constitution says that there is 'freedom of belief.' However, this is really sneaky wording... because their legal and religous scholars clarify it saying that relgion and beliefs are two different things. Beliefs are about things like what school is the best one and what is the best food. There is no true freedom of relgion because Islam is the only acceptable religion. So they tolerate the coptics but they have fewer rigths then the Muslims in Egypt.

KSB wrote:

<quoted text>Then how can you Explain the Treaty of Hudaybiyya?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudayb...

KSB wrote:

<quoted text>Then how can you Explain the Treaty of Hudaybiyya?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudayb...

elewm wrote:

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/n uh/reliance.htm
Shariah Law
O8.0 APOSTASY FROM ISLAM (RIDDA)
(O: Leaving Islam is the ugliest from of unbelief (Kufr) and the worst. It may come about through sarcasm, as when someone is told,“Trim your nails, it is sunna,” and he replies,“I would not do it even if it were,” as opposed to when some circumstance exists which exonerates him of having committed apostasy, such as when his tongue runs away with him, or when he is quoting someone, or says it out of fear.
By the example given here, the person refusing to cut their nails can be executed because Muhammad said to do so, it is considered an holy obligation. So by refusing the holy obligation of trimming your nails they will be glad to trim your head from your shoulders.
O8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserved to be killed.
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o8.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A” or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.
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o8.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (O: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who deserved to die).
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o8.5 If he apostatizes from Islam and returns several times, it (O:i.e. his return to Islam, which occurs when he states the two Testifications of Faith (def: 08.7(12))) is accepted from him, though he is disciplined (o17).
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08.6 (A: If a spouse in a consummated marriage apostatizes from Islam, the couple is separated for a waiting period consisting of three intervals between menstruations. If the spouse returns to Islam before the waiting period ends, the marriage is not annulled but is considered to have continued the whole time._dis:m7.4)
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Note that o8.6 means that if he/she does not return to Islam the marriage is annulled and the apostate is executed.
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In some Islamic countries today it Is true that they do not execute apostates as a matter of course. However the lives of the apostates are radically changed and destroyed. Their marriage is annulled, they loose parental right, loose their job, the homes, and on and on. Right now I am aware of executions for apostasy in Iran, Saudi, Afghanistan, & Nigeria. Egypt and Kuwait do not execute, they just take the person’s life and livelihood away. I am not sure of the other countries. But always keep in mind that most Islamic countries today do not follow strict shari’ah. Their constitutions say that Shari’ah is the basis of all their laws. So at any time, if the political/social mood changes execution for apostasy could be the law again even in countries that do not have it right now.
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What does shari’ah say constitutes apostasy/blasphemy that can be punished by death?

elewm wrote:

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That was only one treaty which gave Muhammad a great victory with little effort. So a special case was made. Here are only a few of the hadith that apply.
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All five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane male apostate must be executed. A female apostate may be put to death, according to some schools, or imprisoned, according to others.
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Sahih Bukhari, Book 83, Blood Money
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadi...
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Sahih Bukhari, Book 52: Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said,'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said,'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadi...
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Sahih Bukhari, Book 89: Judgments (Ahkaam)
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadi...

elewm wrote:

<quoted text>
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That was only one treaty which gave Muhammad a great victory with little effort. So a special case was made. Here are only a few of the hadith that apply.
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All five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane male apostate must be executed. A female apostate may be put to death, according to some schools, or imprisoned, according to others.
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Sahih Bukhari, Book 83, Blood Money
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadi...
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Sahih Bukhari, Book 52: Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said,'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said,'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadi...
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Sahih Bukhari, Book 89: Judgments (Ahkaam)
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadi...

KSB wrote:

<quoted text>And what do you say about Christianity?

Mustafa wrote:

Islam is a satanic cult. There's no other way to see a "religion" that requires human sacrifice.

Truth Monger wrote:

I'm not going to sit here and lecture you that Christiantiy is better than Islam or vice-versa. But don't start pulling out quotes from the Koran. There's plenty of stuff in the Holy Bible that makes this stuff sound like poetry, but we all know that the Bible or Christians are'nt bad. I feel the same way about Muslims. and Jews and Rastafarians and so on. I can't believe any person truely wants to harm others for no reason. And as far as closing of the Middle East and not letting them inot the West.....They want this more than we do. Israel is a country that invaded Palestine and took it by force. What would you do if the Chinese landed in Texas and told you it was their new home? Fight back? and all the U.S. military bases? Where they built by Arabs? The whole reason they're fighting us is because they don't want us there, when we leave they'll stop. We're the ones not leaving their countries and we were there without their consent from the get-go. You want us out? I want us out too.