Top Muslim clerics: Convert must die

Chalk this up to the bushies and their "war" Stupidity and lies will always come back to haunt and crawl up your A--

this is nothing to do with Bush or any body else.
this is islam and how it is and was from a long time from the day it start. murdering converts to other rlgions as the quran asking muslims.

it is culture of islam not only in afghanistan, but in every conrner of the world, before or after the war it made no difference muslims still live in medevil ages.

The only stupidity shown concerning condemning this poor man to death for wanting to be a Christian, is the stupidity of our government and our population for letting the members of this insane religion into our country and the ignorant animals that want to kill him for his freedom of choice. Many Americans and politicians in America keep saying that these are the extremists. They are not. They are the true Muslims making up the vast majority. Right now, at the United Nations, the two top Muslim political groups in the world, the main stream Muslims are asking the U.N. to punish any citizen of any country that says something negative about their "prophet" or their religion. They openly say they want to end the right of free speech and free expression. One of these days the American public will wake up from their politically correct daze and find the same terrorists living here that are in the middle east killing innocent citizens every day. The say there are over 1.2 billion Muslims. If you lived in a country where they would behead you if you said you were a Christian, what would you claim to be? I say through all the Muslims out of this country now, before it is too late. If you want to read about their great prophet, read about the little six year old girl he took for his wife, along with her dolls. Aishta was here name. By the way, they don;t normally allow dolls for little girls because they consider them "idols". The prophet made an exception for Aishta, because he was going to bed her shortly. Pray for the poor man the ignorant savages are threatening to kill. Maybe, by a gracious God's will, he will be saved.

I would be interested to see how many of the Muslims on the forum can dare to agree with the statement "this man should not be punished at all".

Do you think we would again go to war with the serbs to save these guy bacon?? Talk about stupid.

gasp----I forgot the "s" it guys----darn wirless keyboard anyway

Whoa.Killing someone for changing to another religion is HORRIBLE!!

I think you should read the posts in this thread before taking decisions and commenting on other religions.

see this: http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/islam/T1B...

By the way, can you tell me what does that mean:

Kill Nonbelievers:-
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions:-
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be killed.(Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill by Stoning Fortunetellers:-
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Peace :)

the way wrote:

this is nothing to do with Bush or any body else.
this is islam and how it is and was from a long time from the day it start. murdering converts to other rlgions as the quran asking muslims.
it is culture of islam not only in afghanistan, but in every conrner of the world, before or after the war it made no difference muslims still live in medevil ages.

For the record there is no where in the Qu'uran that converting from Islam requireds the death penalty...It was a man made law later on after the death of Muhammed to suit some colonial purposes.

Only very few countries in the Muslim world nowadays that may enterian such law (Saudi, Iran and Afghanistan). It is mostly now frawned down on....

Afghanistan lives in the dark ages! Islam is a man made outdated religion, but yet again so is every single religion that exist!

Hanney wrote:

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For the record there is no where in the Qu'uran that converting from Islam requireds the death penalty...It was a man made law later on after the death of Muhammed to suit some colonial purposes.
Only very few countries in the Muslim world nowadays that may enterian such law (Saudi, Iran and Afghanistan). It is mostly now frawned down on....
Afghanistan lives in the dark ages! Islam is a man made outdated religion, but yet again so is every single religion that exist!

Hanney, as to you first part of your post, you are absolutely true.

But your last sentence is not too accurate. Humans don't make religions. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are not man made. People do contribute to the understanding and interpretation of religion, but they don't create new ideas.

I think if you said: People shape their religion, then that would make your last point more agreable.

Take care,
Peace :)

Blasphemy wrote:

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Hanney, as to you first part of your post, you are absolutely true.
But your last sentence is not too accurate. Humans don't make religions. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are not man made. People do contribute to the understanding and interpretation of religion, but they don't create new ideas.
I think if you said: People shape their religion, then that would make your last point more agreable.
Take care,
Peace :)

I am sorry mate, but I am afraid I am Agnostic!

I think (Not believe) that all religions are man made with good intentions. I do not deny however the existence of a supreme being just yet....I just don't think he/she/it the one described in the religions of the world so far....but I am all ears and eyes...My mind and my hearts are open and respect all ideas!

I think it is quite understandable to say that Moslems are war-mongers/bandits. There is no sanity in their religion! What is their fear in allowing the prensence of converts from their stupid faith? Its like they know that their religion is synthetic and they are afraid of convicts drawing unparalled conclusions against Islam but in favour of Christianity! I don't think Allah ever told them to be doing such a barbaric act! They are living in the medieval era as is evidenced by their calendar system! What a shame! They should just leave the convert alone! Let the convert know the truth! Period!

My friend, you should know that Christianity is based on the Old Testament as well as the New Testament of the Bible (and not the Quran). And the advent of the New Testament came in because God wanted to correct the wrongs inherent in the Old Testament! Jesus Christ's testament was in fact a correction of the evils of the Old Testament that were also, though unfortunately, copied my the Muslims and Muhammed in their fake book, the Quran! And please take note that your quotations-three in number-are all based on the Old Testament! What a misjudgement on your part! Do your liberal theology once more!

Blasphemy wrote:

I think you should read the posts in this thread before taking decisions and commenting on other religions.
see this: http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/islam/T1B...
By the way, can you tell me what does that mean:
Kill Nonbelievers:-
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions:-
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be killed.(Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill by Stoning Fortunetellers:-
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Peace :)

mwamandi munthali wrote:

My friend, you should know that Christianity is based on the Old Testament as well as the New Testament of the Bible (and not the Quran). And the advent of the New Testament came in because God wanted to correct the wrongs inherent in the Old Testament! Jesus Christ's testament was in fact a correction of the evils of the Old Testament that were also, though unfortunately, copied my the Muslims and Muhammed in their fake book, the Quran! And please take note that your quotations-three in number-are all based on the Old Testament! What a misjudgement on your part! Do your liberal theology once more!<quoted text>

First of all, it seems you didn't read the thread on the link I posted. Please read it and u'll know if a convert should be killed or not.

Second, yes it is true that the NT came to correct the OT. The Qur'an also came to correct them both.

Correction, howerver doesn't necessarily mean that there is something wrong. It maybe means alteration of the laws because of change of time and change of people's beleifs. Jews had "solid hearts" as described in the NT. So, their laws were hard and that suits them. However time changes and people don't stay the same.

Correction may also mean clarifying some misconceptions - such as the conception of devinity of Jesus in the NT.

Concerning this last point, if you don't agree with me and think that the Qur'an is not a true book, then we will be glad if you prove for us the divinity of Jesus refering to your "sacred and true" book by visiting this link:

http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/islam/TQA...

Have a nice day :)

deer_tracker wrote:

The only stupidity shown concerning condemning this poor man to death for wanting to be a Christian, is the stupidity of our government and our population for letting the members of this insane religion into our country and the ignorant animals that want to kill him for his freedom of choice. Many Americans and politicians in America keep saying that these are the extremists. They are not. They are the true Muslims making up the vast majority. Right now, at the United Nations, the two top Muslim political groups in the world, the main stream Muslims are asking the U.N. to punish any citizen of any country that says something negative about their "prophet" or their religion. They openly say they want to end the right of free speech and free expression. One of these days the American public will wake up from their politically correct daze and find the same terrorists living here that are in the middle east killing innocent citizens every day. The say there are over 1.2 billion Muslims. If you lived in a country where they would behead you if you said you were a Christian, what would you claim to be? I say through all the Muslims out of this country now, before it is too late. If you want to read about their great prophet, read about the little six year old girl he took for his wife, along with her dolls. Aishta was here name. By the way, they don;t normally allow dolls for little girls because they consider them "idols". The prophet made an exception for Aishta, because he was going to bed her shortly. Pray for the poor man the ignorant savages are threatening to kill. Maybe, by a gracious God's will, he will be saved.

sorry i did not understnad your comments.

mwamandi munthali wrote:

My friend, you should know that Christianity is based on the Old Testament as well as the New Testament of the Bible (and not the Quran). And the advent of the New Testament came in because God wanted to correct the wrongs inherent in the Old Testament! Jesus Christ's testament was in fact a correction of the evils of the Old Testament that were also, though unfortunately, copied my the Muslims and Muhammed in their fake book, the Quran! And please take note that your quotations-three in number-are all based on the Old Testament! What a misjudgement on your part! Do your liberal theology once more!<quoted text>

1) So, are you saying that the old testament is not a true word of God and changes over the years to suit certain greeds?

2) Or, God changed his mind is he was a little harsh on us in Judasim, you know like a real father who tries very technique to bring up his children, sometimes hard and sometimes soft???

3) Or,the teaching on stages theory that explain how man would not understand and the teachings should be gradual???

A) Well, if the first one is right then all other religions many have experienced the same destiny, actualy must as we have seen new concepts in Islam, Judasim and Christiannity over the past 3 centuries.

B) The second one will then mean that God is not really divine, he is confused, makes mistakes and maturing as well do!!

C) The teaching of Judasim are so different from Christianity in a way that makes the word gradual obosolete from any language.

Who is on top now of THE RILIGION PREMERSHIP LEAGUE!

Would scientology be relegated to the forgotten religions of the world, or its celebrity followers ensure good marketing, so it would live another day!

So dark the con of man...

woopie wrote:

I would be interested to see how many of the Muslims on the forum can dare to agree with the statement "this man should not be punished at all".

In the Koran, in which you people claim to know all about states that no human should be punished for religion. Proh. Muhammed (PBUH) family were not all Muslim and he never called to kill anyone of other faiths. He called for the death of traitors. Know your info then talk.

There is only one fundamental truth in all of this, especially in light of the latest terrorist threat in Canada of all places, and it is this; Islamo-Fascism seeks the destruction of all that is non-Islamic! As well, they seek the end of Western civilization as we know it, and there can absolutely no trust in anyone of the Muslim faith - NO ONE. The Muslim tolerates no other religion but Islam; why on Earth MUST WE TOLERATE THEIR PRESENCE AMONGST US HERE IN THE WEST?!!!

alex wrote:

Chalk this up to the bushies and their "war" Stupidity and lies will always come back to haunt and crawl up your A--

you children just dont see the big pic

francis keymore florida wrote:

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terrible to kill anyone including a monkey???

what seems to be the trouble