Intelligent design supporters get SPANKED

Katydid wrote:

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Yes, I have seen bears. One time, in the middle of the night I heard the distinct “PING” of my Coleman cooler being opened. The bear dragged it out from under the picnic table by the handle, opened it up and helped himself to the contents. He ate my favorite candy, Peanut M+M’s. The big porker ate the whole bag, bag and all. Lucky for me, he left my lagers alone!:-)
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Just cross-country, not downhill, too scared, I hear that you need to learn when you are little and I never did.
I ice skate though.:-)

Could have been worse :) While camping up in the North Woods, one midnight visitor turned out to be a skunk!

Once, a raccoon stole the box of donuts (we'd missed putting them away in the dark!). We've had bears drop by too, but they just stole the garbage bags out by the road.

I, too, XCountry ski and ice skate :)

Darwins Left Nut wrote:

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Now they drive to France for the cheaper beer prices. I'm from the northwest. Didn't go to London or the South much. They considered us to be of a different nationality. LOL. When they came up north we made fun of them because the wore coats.(It's bloody well cold up north.)

Northwest? I will venture a guess that you came from somewhere between Scotland and Liverpool-Manchester.

They probably have to drink a fair amount of beer to compensate for the cost of gas (petrol). But driving back and forth is part of the fun it.

Darwins Left Nut wrote:

Actually, the Continental Europeans consider the British Isles as separate from the rest of Europe. It's territorial thing, I suppose, though still more civilized than the New World. The longer history has led to a greater sense of stability in Europe, thus the point of view that America has no culture. America is still suffering from adolescent growing pains. That said, I wouldn't move back. America truly is the 'land of opportunity'.

If every American whose ancestors came from my island moved back we wouldn't have room for you all - but you're very welcome to visit us.

FossilBob wrote:

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Could have been worse :) While camping up in the North Woods, one midnight visitor turned out to be a skunk!
Once, a raccoon stole the box of donuts (we'd missed putting them away in the dark!). We've had bears drop by too, but they just stole the garbage bags out by the road.
I, too, XCountry ski and ice skate :)

I never was visited by skunks, but oh the raccoons!!! If you don't put your provisions away, they will clean you out!!! One time they actually dragged away a whole watermelon!!!( honestly )

Katydid wrote:

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I never was visited by skunks, but oh the raccoons!!! If you don't put your provisions away, they will clean you out!!! One time they actually dragged away a whole watermelon!!!( honestly )

For the last 2 weeks or so, I've been driving aprox 2 hours one way.

I've noticed a propensity for dead skunks along the route-- more that I would have expected. And an occasional raccoon. One 'possum.

Either rabies is unusually rampant along the route, or?

Got me thinking-- maybe the mild winters we've had in the past couple of years has allowed more skunks to survive than would be usual. I dunno.

I DO know that nearly every day, we saw at least one fresh dead one along the route. They'd be gone by the next day (plenty of coyotes around for that...).

geesh, get a room you two ! hehe

Speaking of Critters, does anyone watch the animal channel? Last night they returned with the Meerkat Mnaor series, which is great for the kids and thats how I got hooked on those buggers.

Does anyone know what the Meerkats name in Latin is? The Meerkat's name in Latin is:

a) Helogale parvula
b) Cynictis penicillata
c) Suricata suricatta
d) Mungos mungo
This is without a doubt one of the funnier shows on tv, they're like the Sopranos...only thry dont say fogetaboutit, they go eeeek, eeeeek,...:) If you have young ones, you gotta watch it with them.

"With all the love, squabbling, self-sacrifice and rivalry found in any family, a group of meerkats struggles to survive in Africa's Kalahari Desert. Animal Planet's new 13-part series, Meerkat Manor, is All My Children meets Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. Don't let their cuddly appearance fool you though — there's a good reason these meerkat families are called a "mob."

Narrated by Sean Astin of The Lord of the Rings and 24, Meerkat Manor was filmed with the assistance of Cambridge University, which is conducting a 10-year study on meerkats. From family quarrels to love affairs to backstabbing worthy of a Shakespearean tale, these fuzzy reality-TV stars pack a huge dramatic punch. "
http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/meerkat/...

Macroevolution is unproven unscientific theory on the origins of life. Microevolution is the obvious visible and observable fact that life adapts to its surroundings.

Andy Eppink wrote:

Macroevolution is unproven unscientific theory on the origins of life. Microevolution is the obvious visible and observable fact that life adapts to its surroundings.

Macroevolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis, i.e., the origins of life. Nice try though, pinkie.

Doesn't really matter to me. God is real, and that's beyond fact.

God has designed everything.

If there was evolution, God designed it.

If you argue why it's not shown in bible, I'd reply bible actually omits or condenses a lot of parts in the beginning, cause it's focused on the relationship between man and God

Andy Eppink wrote:

Macroevolution is unproven unscientific theory on the origins of life. Microevolution is the obvious visible and observable fact that life adapts to its surroundings.

It is called evolution not micro nor macro......creationist terms that are stupid and false.

skyan80 wrote:

Doesn't really matter to me. God is real, and that's beyond fact.
God has designed everything.
If there was evolution, God designed it.
If you argue why it's not shown in bible, I'd reply bible actually omits or condenses a lot of parts in the beginning, cause it's focused on the relationship between man and God

Your God was a poor designer.

Andy Eppink wrote:

Macroevolution is unproven unscientific theory on the origins of life. Microevolution is the obvious visible and observable fact that life adapts to its surroundings.

Microevolution, macroevolution...the key part of both is evolution. Neither has anything to do with the origin of life. Microevolution is evolution on a short time scale, macroevolution is evolution on a long time scale. Both operate by the same mechanisms. Macroevolution is merely a lot of microevolution.

skyan80 wrote:

Doesn't really matter to me. God is real, and that's beyond fact.
God has designed everything.
If there was evolution, God designed it.
If you argue why it's not shown in bible, I'd reply bible actually omits or condenses a lot of parts in the beginning, cause it's focused on the relationship between man and God

The word Design might mean different things to different folks. I already said the word is attractive for what I believe, because its sort of synonomous with coding or even a word like formula.

Since the word has been tagged to a "campaign" its stigmatized now, and for all intents and purposes, in my world design is like a building, where structure meets demands in a final way and is dubbed complete. In a perfect designed building only maintainace needs to be done. So from that perspective if design was what God was doing then Hex has a Point in saying That God fell short.

I could ask the question Why would God have to desgn anything ? That implies thinking through a problem or working in a set of parameters, God speaks and IT just BECOMES and whatever that is, we've been searching for a complete understanding.

I will repeat what was attributed to Einstein when asked if he Believed in the Garden and he said Yes, but he has been trying to catch the Gardener at work all his life.(I've not seen the actual quote)

A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the SELF. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive.(Albert Einstein, 1954)

Andy Eppink wrote:

Macroevolution is unproven unscientific theory on the origins of life. Microevolution is the obvious visible and observable fact that life adapts to its surroundings.

Macro and micro are characterizations used by anti-evolutionists. Evolution does not address the origin of life, see writings on abiogenesis for that.

skyan80 wrote:

Doesn't really matter to me. God is real, and that's beyond fact.
God has designed everything.
If there was evolution, God designed it.
If you argue why it's not shown in bible, I'd reply bible actually omits or condenses a lot of parts in the beginning, cause it's focused on the relationship between man and God

Well...you and I aren't sitting very far apart :)

God can't be proven or disproven...(is that what you meant by "beyond fact"?)

Evolution is quite real...plenty of biological and geological evidence behind it...

Why SHOULD the Bible talk of it...? No one back then had any knowledge of the great age of the Earth, or Dinosaurs, or the ancient landscapes that had once existed.

The Bible is a compilation of many things...fact, folklore, distorted history (always be wary of history written by the winners...OR the losers). One can still be a good Christian and not believe every word in the Bible...

Just a few thoughts...

Andy Eppink wrote:

Macroevolution is unproven unscientific theory on the origins of life. Microevolution is the obvious visible and observable fact that life adapts to its surroundings.

There you go with that phony micro\macro evolution "bit" again.

Plenty of fossil evidence for the appearance of new species and entire vertebrate orders...plenty of transitional fossils. Why are there fossils of "half fish"\"half amphibian" animals?(NOT the way I'd usually put this!). If someone's just going to "poof" a "type" into existence, why produce intermediate types?

failed experiments?:)