Intelligent design supporters get SPANKED

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>I stay on this because we are witnessing history as gov'ts and societies clash like never before.

I disagree. Clashes between civilizations have occurred throughout history. What is going on in the Middle East is minor compared to the rise and fall of the ancient empires, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, WW1 and WW2.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>Machiavelli was much more tha a brut, he had great foresight.

I don't consider Machiavelli a brut. He was not a leader or a ruler. He was a statesman and a philosopher. He was not in a position to practice what he wrote in "The Prince". Whatever foresight he had in politics, it was based on the experience he noticed in other leaders. He was talented at reflecting the behavior of such leaders in a way that earned him lasting fame and ironically infamy as a political philosopher. His work "The Prince" was basically a how-to guide on being an effective totalitarian. He wrote that after noticing and being involved with various leaders in Europe.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>If someone would like to discuss him ,we could include alot of the current events in a non partisan way.

Good luck on achieving a non-partisan political discussion. It may start out non-partisan but it won't end up as one.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

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The answers are astounding as they can be related to the middle east as well as other hot spots

The answers are not astounding to me because history repeats itself.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

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Included is a very desriptive way to destroy democracy, which we are not. We ar a republic, or a represenbtative gov elected democratically

America is a republic but why don't you consider our country a democracy?

pbfa wrote:

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We were lucky (again!) here on the Left Coast - ots of wind, some rain, but no crisis.*phew!*
Lake County's losses are heartbreaking - seems like it was the retirees who were hist the worst.

No. 700 houses in Volusua county got damage. The tornado didn't pick and choose who to hit. I live in Ocala, it just missed us. The Villages has mostly retirees but, not the surrounding area. Everybody got hit. IT's awful really. 20 people died in Volusa County. 14 in mobile homes in The Villages area, Lady Lake, a church that was a concrete block church which had walls that can sustain 150 mph hurrricane winds was knocked to the ground. Flattened. Everyone, old and young, go to that church. It was everyone that was effected. It was really bad. It's looks like a war zone in sections of our state.

greg wrote:

We are ,it seems , living in a society that places less and less value on human life. Today it is almost worse to shoot a dog than a person. People defend animal rights, but have no objection to abortion. Maybe that is a result of being taught we are nothing more than the last link of the evolutionary chain , so far. Evolved animals.
Where is the idea of the value a of human life?
The Bible teaches that we are made in His image, with a purpose. That we are known to Him from the time we are first conceived, each with a reason for being. Compare this with just being evolved animals.
Do you think that this is really a me first, ME,ME,ME, selfish society.
The fulfillment of the Biblical law is Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. If you see yourself as having no value, no purpose, how will this affect ow you deal with others. If there are no consequences but death , which is inevitable for everyone anyway, how does this effect the way you live?

I have an objection to abortion. I hate to kill anything. But there are plenty of people that have an objection to abortion that do not believe in a religion. If you do not believe in a religion, there is no life after death, than wouldn't it stand to say that we must live in the here and now and treat each other well because this is all we have? In some religions, the belief of life after death sometimes makes people, such as these terrorist, take there own life because someone made them think that they must do it for Allah. A farce. So, I do not think that believing in the bible or any other religion is going to garentee good morals. Of course, belieiving in the ten commandments helps, don't kill don't disrespect, yada yada. But it's usually not followed. If it was, we wouldn't be killing in this war, we wouldn't be there at all.

(song) What good is war for
Absolutely nothing

But good moral character, is from the family. If we break up the moral family, which is what we did with slavery in this country, you cause problems for generations. And having moral character causes your family to survive. The reason for morals is for survival of your tribe. So I think, it doesn't matter if you are religious or not. Even God in the Bible, in the books after the apostle books said, and some will not know me or believe in me, but because of their good moral character, the love of fellow man, will come into the kingdom of God Heaven.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text> I guess I have to breakit odwn dennis..the point being this, the theory of E, tell me if I am worng ok? eludes to the likelihood of a missing link between man and ape no?
if I refer to A black as an Ape, he will in all likelihood get mad, as he should.Taken to court for a rascist comment or like I siad in theroy this man is an employee. The same court who smacked I D in favor of Theory of E will now roast my ass for saying basicall the same thing that E say....right? or wrong?
I notice the inteligencsia here is remaining mute on the subject. I am curious is all...If I call a black man a relative to an ape, is that in keeping with E or not? If I am not saying it in a derogatory fashion..I already know it was used by racists men to insult and denegrate others, so no need to tell me again...I also notice that some races look more like monkeys than others...is this a ignorant statement? As I see it, you can't have it both ways....don't tell me that man decended from primates and then say I am being insulting when I call someone ape like...
If I refered to someone as a rodent,I would be degrading them, but if the evidence leaned that way it could not be an insult...sorry I dont know of any tother way to ask it...maybe someone more skilled than I can ask it the right way.
Perhaps political correctness is in the way.

You are missing the point. The reason it is considered racist is because of the context and historical use of that remark. When used against a black person, it is intended as a racist, demeaning remark to say that blacks are closer to apes than "real" more "advanced" humans. Context is very important. It is insulting because of how it is meant and what is being implied. If you call man in general a relative of apes, that is completely scientifically correct. But if you single out black people with the intent of saying they are less evolved, or less human, and more apelike, that is both racist...and biologically incorrect.

greg wrote:

Do you think that this is really a me first, ME,ME,ME, selfish society.
The fulfillment of the Biblical law is Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. If you see yourself as having no value, no purpose, how will this affect ow you deal with others. If there are no consequences but death , which is inevitable for everyone anyway, how does this effect the way you live?

I'm not sure what you are saying here, are you saying that placing no or little value on oneself is virtuous?

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>Nah....I don't hinkl think the court would like it ewither....Funny thing...how many 'good' ideas sound completely idiotic in a courtroom when a Judge reads back the same thing to ya! lmao
But, I guess what you are sying is that I am assuming we evolved from proimates? there no proof? I thought your Theory of E was solid....did we evolve from rodents then?

We evolved, my friend, in exactly the way God wanted us to. First there was a primordial "soup" of water and various elements, then, for reasons only God knows, those elements began forming complex compounds which eventually became proteins, which eventually became life. Every virus, whale, man, woman and child came of this miraculous process, and I for one can only behold and praise God's glory for having kick-started the process all those billions of years ago.
Questions?

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text> I guess I have to breakit odwn dennis..the point being this, the theory of E, tell me if I am worng ok? eludes to the likelihood of a missing link between man and ape no?
if I refer to A black as an Ape, he will in all likelihood get mad, as he should.Taken to court for a rascist comment or like I siad in theroy this man is an employee. The same court who smacked I D in favor of Theory of E will now roast my ass for saying basicall the same thing that E say....right? or wrong?
I notice the inteligencsia here is remaining mute on the subject. I am curious is all...If I call a black man a relative to an ape, is that in keeping with E or not? If I am not saying it in a derogatory fashion..I already know it was used by racists men to insult and denegrate others, so no need to tell me again...I also notice that some races look more like monkeys than others...is this a ignorant statement? As I see it, you can't have it both ways....don't tell me that man decended from primates and then say I am being insulting when I call someone ape like...
If I refered to someone as a rodent,I would be degrading them, but if the evidence leaned that way it could not be an insult...sorry I dont know of any tother way to ask it...maybe someone more skilled than I can ask it the right way.
Perhaps political correctness is in the way.

As I see it and believe what evolution is saying is this: ape and man have a common ancestor. We don't know if we are directly from said age. But... there is a common ancestor. It's like saying that fish came then, frog then land dwellers. People sort of distort when they don't know all the details. So, first came blue green algae that all life was derived from. Then so on.

Ok I give up...i see all the intellectual genius dont want to touch a legit question which was this..in principle,,if i refer to a person as an ape is that an insult? in principle? coz i know the same generous court that smacked ID will smack me too...double standard...

what i am is what i am is what you are or what?

It's like..'I'm all for the ape thing as long as it only applys to the beliefs i want to discredit, buit dont ask me if a certain race is a decendant of primates coz i'm too politically correct to tell you yes! cowardice...but we're still ok...I just call it as i see it is all
you tell me...are you a decendant of primates?or...

I"m all for war man as long as no one gets killed...but it doesnt work that way either

Rarmcwa wrote:

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We evolved, my friend, in exactly the way God wanted us to. First there was a primordial "soup" of water and various elements, then, for reasons only God knows, those elements began forming complex compounds which eventually became proteins, which eventually became life. Every virus, whale, man, woman and child came of this miraculous process, and I for one can only behold and praise God's glory for having kick-started the process all those billions of years ago.
Questions?

Primordial "soup"? I will not have what you are cooking, thank you, I'll pass.

I mean the first form of life, blue green algae. Sorry type o

Rarmcwa wrote:

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We evolved, my friend, in exactly the way God wanted us to. First there was a primordial "soup" of water and various elements, then, for reasons only God knows, those elements began forming complex compounds which eventually became proteins, which eventually became life. Every virus, whale, man, woman and child came of this miraculous process, and I for one can only behold and praise God's glory for having kick-started the process all those billions of years ago.
Questions?

Quite a nice explaination. You know, just to let everyone know and think about it: Blue green algae, the first form of like, not animal not plant but both, has the identical cell makeup as red blood cells except that red blood cell eat oxygen and create co2 and blue green algae eat co2 and create oxygen. If you eat blue green algae, you get an immediate energy boost because of this sembionic relationship between red blood cells and blue green algae.

I've gotta do something important right now and have to come back but I'll comment later and hope this stirs everyones interest.

click on my picture for my response to soup

us ourYF 22s wrote:

Ok I give up...i see all the intellectual genius dont want to touch a legit question which was this..in principle,,if i refer to a person as an ape is that an insult? in principle? coz i know the same generous court that smacked ID will smack me too...double standard...
what i am is what i am is what you are or what?
It's like..'I'm all for the ape thing as long as it only applys to the beliefs i want to discredit, buit dont ask me if a certain race is a decendant of primates coz i'm too politically correct to tell you yes! cowardice...but we're still ok...I just call it as i see it is all
you tell me...are you a decendant of primates?or...
I"m all for war man as long as no one gets killed...but it doesnt work that way either

Your statements are completely incorrect as, once again, you are ignoring context. Context and intent are everything when it comes to language. A word said in one context is not the same when said in another context.

No "certain race" is descendent from primates any more than any other race is...that's the point. NO humans are apes. ALL humans are descended from primate ancestors shared by apes. Calling a black person an ape IS racist not because of evolutionary theory, but because of the intent and context of making that statement. It's the singling out of a particular race in an attempt to demean them. That in no way invalidates the fact that we are all have the same descendants as apes. You are being intellectually dishonest trying to pretend that one has anything to do with another in a lame attempt to somehow discredit evolution or show some kind of double standard.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

click on my picture for my response to soup

What I am is what I am is what you are or what?*smile*

Dennis2 wrote:

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Your statements are completely incorrect as, once again, you are ignoring context. Context and intent are everything when it comes to language. A word said in one context is not the same when said in another context.
No "certain race" is descendent from primates any more than any other race is...that's the point. NO humans are apes. ALL humans are descended from primate ancestors shared by apes. Calling a black person an ape IS racist not because of evolutionary theory, but because of the intent and context of making that statement. It's the singling out of a particular race in an attempt to demean them. That in no way invalidates the fact that we are all have the same descendants as apes. You are being intellectually dishonest trying to pretend that one has anything to do with another in a lame attempt to somehow discredit evolution or show some kind of double standard.

OK Dennis...got it..youre right to call someone an Ape is a racist remark...now you say we are all related and decendants of primates right? I happen to agree to some extent BTW, but, the truth is this, IF I say to someone in the work arena, you look like KONG, I am gonna lose my job....even if they do look like him...even if I didnt ment it in a derogatory manner...and I say to this...I claim the theory of E as my defense...I am oly saying what is ingrained in my subconscious, that we are all related, and for some odd reason, at that moment, you remind me of KONG(using you for example). The Courts will rost me and not listen to some claim of evolution...if the theory of E is good for edu than its good enuff for a defense no? primates resonate with me,theoretically speaking...it doesnt matter really just I want to know the Courts will treat me as kindly as they did with "E"

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>OK Dennis...got it..youre right to call someone an Ape is a racist remark...now you say we are all related and decendants of primates right? I happen to agree to some extent BTW, but, the truth is this, IF I say to someone in the work arena, you look like KONG, I am gonna lose my job....even if they do look like him...even if I didnt ment it in a derogatory manner...and I say to this...I claim the theory of E as my defense...I am oly saying what is ingrained in my subconscious, that we are all related, and for some odd reason, at that moment, you remind me of KONG(using you for example). The Courts will rost me and not listen to some claim of evolution...if the theory of E is good for edu than its good enuff for a defense no? primates resonate with me,theoretically speaking...it doesnt matter really just I want to know the Courts will treat me as kindly as they did with "E"

That's just so ridiculous! Claiming evolution as a defense for calling someone names or making fun of their appearance? Your scenario makes no sense. The courts did not treat evolution "kindly", they listened to the testimony, saw the evidence, weighed the facts, and came to the inescapable conclusion that ID was nothing more than repackaged creationism and that evolution was overwhelmingly supported by scientific evidence. Therefore they ruled that not being science, ID had no place in science class.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>OK Dennis...got it..youre right to call someone an Ape is a racist remark...now you say we are all related and decendants of primates right? I happen to agree to some extent BTW, but, the truth is this, IF I say to someone in the work arena, you look like KONG, I am gonna lose my job....even if they do look like him...even if I didnt ment it in a derogatory manner...and I say to this...I claim the theory of E as my defense...I am oly saying what is ingrained in my subconscious, that we are all related, and for some odd reason, at that moment, you remind me of KONG(using you for example). The Courts will rost me and not listen to some claim of evolution...if the theory of E is good for edu than its good enuff for a defense no? primates resonate with me,theoretically speaking...it doesnt matter really just I want to know the Courts will treat me as kindly as they did with "E"

Now, if a black man said to a fellow black man that he looked like an ape, that wouldn't seem racist.

and if I said you look like King Kong, that wouldn't be racist either.*wink*

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>OK Dennis...got it..youre right to call someone an Ape is a racist remark...now you say we are all related and decendants of primates right? I happen to agree to some extent BTW, but, the truth is this, IF I say to someone in the work arena, you look like KONG, I am gonna lose my job....even if they do look like him...even if I didnt ment it in a derogatory manner...and I say to this...I claim the theory of E as my defense...I am oly saying what is ingrained in my subconscious, that we are all related, and for some odd reason, at that moment, you remind me of KONG(using you for example). The Courts will rost me and not listen to some claim of evolution...if the theory of E is good for edu than its good enuff for a defense no? primates resonate with me,theoretically speaking...it doesnt matter really just I want to know the Courts will treat me as kindly as they did with "E"

The hypothetical black person that you called an "ape" in the workplace is a homo sapien, not an ape.

You would be wrong to call him an ape from an anthropological and a biological point of view because apes and homo sapiens are not the same species. You would also be wrong to call him an ape from a racial and politically correct point of view.

The courts and the theory of evolution are in agreement.

us ourYF 22s wrote:

<quoted text>OK Dennis...got it..youre right to call someone an Ape is a racist remark...now you say we are all related and decendants of primates right? I happen to agree to some extent BTW, but, the truth is this, IF I say to someone in the work arena, you look like KONG, I am gonna lose my job....even if they do look like him...even if I didnt ment it in a derogatory manner...and I say to this...I claim the theory of E as my defense...I am oly saying what is ingrained in my subconscious, that we are all related, and for some odd reason, at that moment, you remind me of KONG(using you for example). The Courts will rost me and not listen to some claim of evolution...if the theory of E is good for edu than its good enuff for a defense no? primates resonate with me,theoretically speaking...it doesnt matter really just I want to know the Courts will treat me as kindly as they did with "E"

As people have been saying...we're all pretty much the same. The "races" are differentiated only by trivial physical variations..there IS no real difference. People with dark skins are no "closer" to our anscestors (whether one calls them apes or not) than are light-skin people.

The question also leaves out the CULTURAL history of the last few millenia...

Dennis2 wrote:

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That's just so ridiculous! Claiming evolution as a defense for calling someone names or making fun of their appearance? Your scenario makes no sense. The courts did not treat evolution "kindly", they listened to the testimony, saw the evidence, weighed the facts, and came to the inescapable conclusion that ID was nothing more than repackaged creationism and that evolution was overwhelmingly supported by scientific evidence. Therefore they ruled that not being science, ID had no place in science class.

Yuo see Dennis, I tried inapetedly i might add to explain a way wehere onme person migt say dsomething that another person would be offended by where no offense was meant..like if i sais you lookes like Bart simpsons cartoon...not yrying to b efunnyBTW...only the intellectuals here who seem to be able to think of everything under and inside the sun cant imagine That....too politcal for you so skip it ok...i see youre not capable of getting outside the monkey brain for a minute
Oh ige the point...I D is recreation and what exactly is theory of E? the theory of Explanation really...trying to explain a mystery. and i buy most of it...cause in my mind i can see where man evolved from primates...OK...lets try this another way.... a pofrsseor is teaching E and a dark skinned man says I aint no monkey...you're a racist...explain to him youre not ok...? and pas me a banana while youre doing so<----sarcasm affectionatley...Yuo keep assumiong i am making fun of someone who resmebles a primate, all i am doing is extrapolating your idea