If this is Indian land! why is there's no Native American president?

Ben Witty wrote:

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What are you talking about? The original graves are destroyed in the process of reburial on tribal lands.

talataos wrote:

<quoted text>You want to learn more but keep calling us wrong? How does that work? I live in the heart of Native America and yall want to come off as if I live in East Kadumf**k. Im an armchair archeologist and have MANY books about archeological finds and digs and lots of mexican and native american friends. I love nothing more than attending the local powwows and talking with people there. Ive recorded programs and compared the discoveries, THATS how you learn, without digging up bodies. Not all finds are in graveyards. Many are just sites of where they lived and the oral teachings. Every thing has a story, you just gotta work at and study and listen to understand it.

VETVN68 wrote:

This is Veterans Day so I am sipping my drink of choice and reflecting on the past -- please allow me a little latitude.
If our native American Indians could ever find a judicial system in the USA that was FAIR and unbiased they not only could cash in their chips --- they would OWN half of the USA from treaties signed years before the American constitution was signed.

reza june wrote:

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Good morning my friend on this Veteran's Day, you have my empathy all day today.
I think the problem for the Native Americans with the white man's treaties per se, was their coming up against the legal concept of "fee simple". Fee simple conveys to the "owner" a right to do with the land as the owner chooses, which I think wasn't clearly understood and therefore the cause for many wars, between natives and non natives.
It is very clear that when Indians and Euro-Americans came together to negotiate a treaty they brought with them very different ideas about using the land.
Basil Johnston, a contemporary teller of traditional Ojibway stories, illustrates this sense of possession in his book Ojibway Ceremonies.
In this volume he relates a story called "The Council" a speech made by Chief Mishi-Waub-Kaikaik.
The Council had been called to discuss whether or not to sign treaties with the Whites, Mishi-Waub-Kaikaik told his fellow chiefs:
To control and possess the land as the White Man wishes does not make sense. Can man possess a gust of the North Wind or a measure of flowing water? Can he control a mass of clouds or a herd of moose?
No. Do not mistake the truth. It is not man who owns the land; it is the land that owns man. And we, the Anishnabeg, were placed on this land. From beginning to end it nourishes us; it quenches our thirst, it shelters us, and we follow the order of its seasons. It give us freedom to come and go according to its nature and its extent--great freedom when the extent is large, less freedom when it is small. And when we die we are buried within the land that outlives us all. We belong to the land by birth, by need, and by affection. And no man may presume to own the land. Only the tribe can do that."
Unfortunately the Council voted against him, the decision had profound and disastrous results for the Anishinaabeg who ultimately lost their land to white settlers and consequently much of their way of life.

Qcontinu wrote:

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They might have some native blood in them, but that doesn't make them native. I don't know what percentage it takes to become native but I know its kinda obvious when you are native. Of course, I know a white girl that is a native so, yeah. But its a good point you make there.

VETVN68 wrote:

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I know REZA and he is smarter than a 5th grader by far especially when it comes to European history. When he says he is interested in American culture it is not a fabrication – start again.:)
I spent a a few summers in my youth on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota with my aunt who was Ojibwe – nice people all. Now I follow the issues and concerns of native Andean Indians in South America that have been decimated by well meaning missionaries by the common cold as they proliferate their specific view of religion.
I have a home in Colombia and consider this abuse far more devastating than the land grab and Indian wars in early America.

talataos wrote:

<quoted text>I have Blackfoot mingled with Dutch and French. But there is a whole lot more Dutch and French then Blackfoot. My eldest son is Pasamaquoddy and French, Dutch, Blackfoot. Even with light hair we have a lot of people who have asked us if we have native american in our families cause we carry 'the look' you figure as "kinda obvious" Then again I knew some white people that had a black baby because of an ancestor of the husband. Only one ancestor several generations back was all it took to almost cause a divorce.

Only one ancestor several generations back was all it took to almost cause a divorce.

talataos wrote:

<quoted text>I have Blackfoot mingled with Dutch and French. But there is a whole lot more Dutch and French then Blackfoot. My eldest son is Pasamaquoddy and French, Dutch, Blackfoot. Even with light hair we have a lot of people who have asked us if we have native american in our families cause we carry 'the look' you figure as "kinda obvious" Then again I knew some white people that had a black baby because of an ancestor of the husband. Only one ancestor several generations back was all it took to almost cause a divorce.

talataos wrote:

<quoted text>Try reading a National Geographics if you dont have a TV or radio. It was all over the news for awhile. AND on a history program just a few months ago. I watched it to find out if anymore had been found out, but it was a recap type deal from when it was first discovered. Mindless begins with not educating yourself.

sexycloud wrote:

talataos did u mean they made the silver part of the ring from a silver mexican dollar

reza june wrote:

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Thank God for DNA testing, is all I can say!

Ben Witty wrote:

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Claims of human tracks occurring alongside dinosaur tracks in Texas have not stood up to close scientific scrutiny and in recent years those claims have been abandoned by everyone but fringe creationists.

talataos wrote:

<quoted text>I have Blackfoot mingled with Dutch and French. But there is a whole lot more Dutch and French then Blackfoot. My eldest son is Pasamaquoddy and French, Dutch, Blackfoot. Even with light hair we have a lot of people who have asked us if we have native american in our families cause we carry 'the look' you figure as "kinda obvious" Then again I knew some white people that had a black baby because of an ancestor of the husband. Only one ancestor several generations back was all it took to almost cause a divorce.

VETVN68 wrote:

This is Veterans Day so I am sipping my drink of choice and reflecting on the past -- please allow me a little latitude.
If our native American Indians could ever find a judicial system in the USA that was FAIR and unbiased they not only could cash in their chips --- they would OWN half of the USA from treaties signed years before the American constitution was signed.

reza june wrote:

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Good morning my friend on this Veteran's Day, you have my empathy all day today.
I think the problem for the Native Americans with the white man's treaties per se, was their coming up against the legal concept of "fee simple". Fee simple conveys to the "owner" a right to do with the land as the owner chooses, which I think wasn't clearly understood and therefore the cause for many wars, between natives and non natives.
It is very clear that when Indians and Euro-Americans came together to negotiate a treaty they brought with them very different ideas about using the land.
Basil Johnston, a contemporary teller of traditional Ojibway stories, illustrates this sense of possession in his book Ojibway Ceremonies.
In this volume he relates a story called "The Council" a speech made by Chief Mishi-Waub-Kaikaik.
The Council had been called to discuss whether or not to sign treaties with the Whites, Mishi-Waub-Kaikaik told his fellow chiefs:
To control and possess the land as the White Man wishes does not make sense. Can man possess a gust of the North Wind or a measure of flowing water? Can he control a mass of clouds or a herd of moose?
No. Do not mistake the truth. It is not man who owns the land; it is the land that owns man. And we, the Anishnabeg, were placed on this land. From beginning to end it nourishes us; it quenches our thirst, it shelters us, and we follow the order of its seasons. It give us freedom to come and go according to its nature and its extent--great freedom when the extent is large, less freedom when it is small. And when we die we are buried within the land that outlives us all. We belong to the land by birth, by need, and by affection. And no man may presume to own the land. Only the tribe can do that."
Unfortunately the Council voted against him, the decision had profound and disastrous results for the Anishinaabeg who ultimately lost their land to white settlers and consequently much of their way of life.t