What do you think of Black and White Native Americans?

donna wrote:

<quoted text>you all are ate up with the dumby sickness. it does not matter the skin color of a person.if someone is one sixteenth native american that makes them have native ancestary. the color of ones skin pretty much was determined from their origins yes, only because of the trees and sunlight. the northern areas were covered with vast forests therefore the indians were fair skinned, where the southern states were less shaded and more sunshine was where the darker skins came from.besides tf you check your geneology out you may be surprised as to what you find hidden in your wood pile.so word up dont judge a person on skin color cause its hard to tell where you may have originated. lol have nice day

I agree with you donna. People are what they are, not what they look like.

Iam wondering where do native americans descend from blacks or whites, or are you a mixure of both?Remember just wondering! My granddaddy is sensca indian from ohio, but he light skinned and has black in him.

curious wrote:

Iam wondering where do native americans descend from blacks or whites, or are you a mixure of both?Remember just wondering! My granddaddy is sensca indian from ohio, but he light skinned and has black in him.

Hiya "curious",
Now bear in mind, I'm English and living in England so I'm not an authority on the subject, and I'm lad to believe it's a bit complicated.
As far as I know, the Native American appeared some thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge between today's Russia, and probably Northern Canada. When the sea covered that 'bridge', the only humans that populated your country were the descendants of those 'nomads'. There are gene links to Russian natives still.
The USA is a pretty big place, and over thousand of years the native Americans migrated over the whole continent.
They formed groups, or tribes, that grew into vast 'nations' or became smaller and died out. They fought each other as happens everywhere, and there was much interbreeding. There was breeding with both white and black people, and probably all other skin variations too. Your granddaddy must be a very proud man.

UNKNOWN wrote:

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MEN WHO GETS OLDER GETS WISER. NOW I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A KID AND YES LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT AND I SEE YOU ARE MAKING YOUR LIFE AS UNINTELLIGENT LIFE BY SAYING THAT OLDER PEOPLE GET DUMB. HOW IN THE HELL CAN OLDER PEOPLE GET DUMN IF THEY EXPERIENCE IT IN LIFE.
NOW THATS IS EASY MAN

Nah old man :D or woman w/e. age does not produce wisdom u fool.
lessons learned produce wisdom. ur unthought out comment leads me to believe how ignorant u truly are and your "i've been there, done that" talk is quite overplayed. i do not agree with the other young person, but don't assume ur advise will be well-received when its coming from the bowels of a self-indulgent buffoon.

P.S. Try and Fail= Ignorance
Try and Fail again= Stupidity
Continue to Try and still Fail= Insanity

UNKNOWN wrote:

THEIR ARE NO JUST THING AS WHITE OR BLACK NATIVE AMERICANS. THEY ARE WHITE NATIVE EUROPEAN IN THEIR LAND SAME WITH THE BLACK THEY ARE NATIVE AFRICANS IN AFRICA. YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THEY MIGHT MIX WITH WHITE AND BLACK BUT I BET THAT THEY WON'T CALL THEMSELVES BLACK OR WHITE NATIVE AMERICANS BECAUSE THE REAL NATIVE AMERICANS ARE BROWN OR COPPER SKIN PEOPLE. THOSE ARE THE REAL NATIVES OF THIS WESTERN CONTINENT.

Very true. How ever I am registered LAKOTA but my father is a white man.(So I was given his pale shade.) How ever people should not just go around claming backgrounds that they are not... As I have been told "There is shame and pride in our people."

AxleAlreadyWon wrote:

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Nah old man :D or woman w/e. age does not produce wisdom u fool.
lessons learned produce wisdom. ur unthought out comment leads me to believe how ignorant u truly are and your "i've been there, done that" talk is quite overplayed. i do not agree with the other young person, but don't assume ur advise will be well-received when its coming from the bowels of a self-indulgent buffoon.
P.S. Try and Fail= Ignorance
Try and Fail again= Stupidity
Continue to Try and still Fail= Insanity

Hiya intelligent one. Did you ever learn English?

White Batives arelss likely but when it happens they have been ixed. Many natives are mixed with White, whether they want to admit it.

Black Natives are cultural possible (historically) and genetically possible. Since they have more dominate traits it is possible for them to look closer to a Black relative. however, they will msot likely not look full Black. Ignoring the fact that some features are stereotypical, you will be able to pinpoint certain features in a Blck person of mixed and Native heritage. Whether it is in looser curl types, nose, cheek bones, eyes, whatever. Honeslt,y it's all the luc of the draw, but you should be able to see osme traits. For example, a good friend of mine is mixed with Black and White. She favors the Black side in looks however her mothers "anglo" eyes and nose can still be seen.

One thing to keep in mind is that ONE person in yout fmaily does not make you Native American. Esp if it's your great great grandmother twice removed. If this is the category you fall into you aren't Native American and your hertiage is barely mixed with it.

At the same time, and I'm abotu to contridict myself a little, no one has the right to tell you what you are and aren't. How you look does not ALWAYS define what you truly are. Unfortunately, most people have no knowledge of race mixing, genetics, etc.

I am of mixed descent. I claim Black heritage because it is too difficult or annoying to discuss it with other people who are not of mixed descent, have not seen N.A's or have not history beign aorund those who are mixed. Those who have been around other races or seen similar mixes can see more Native American features in my face but are shocked to see a full head of curly hair. Most of the times, people think I'mmixed with Black or White. My father is African and Native-American. Everyone assumes he's Black because of his "dark" skin tone, however his face favors that of a Native and his hair texture is mixed. My mother is multiracial, looks more like a Black/White mix, the Native American part is not obvious at all. Race is a funny a thing. At the end of the day, you are GENETICALLY what you are. Genetics can be dilluted, keep that in mind. Your Granny may have been Native but you are not and vice versa.

Just be proud to be you!!!

sorry for all the typos and bad graamr >_<"

Noelani wrote:

sorry for all the typos and bad graamr >_<"

It was worth the read Noelani, and you've hit the nail on the head.

Noelani wrote:

White Batives arelss likely but when it happens they have been ixed. Many natives are mixed with White, whether they want to admit it.
Black Natives are cultural possible (historically) and genetically possible. Since they have more dominate traits it is possible for them to look closer to a Black relative. however, they will msot likely not look full Black. Ignoring the fact that some features are stereotypical, you will be able to pinpoint certain features in a Blck person of mixed and Native heritage. Whether it is in looser curl types, nose, cheek bones, eyes, whatever. Honeslt,y it's all the luc of the draw, but you should be able to see osme traits. For example, a good friend of mine is mixed with Black and White. She favors the Black side in looks however her mothers "anglo" eyes and nose can still be seen.
One thing to keep in mind is that ONE person in yout fmaily does not make you Native American. Esp if it's your great great grandmother twice removed. If this is the category you fall into you aren't Native American and your hertiage is barely mixed with it.
At the same time, and I'm abotu to contridict myself a little, no one has the right to tell you what you are and aren't. How you look does not ALWAYS define what you truly are. Unfortunately, most people have no knowledge of race mixing, genetics, etc.
I am of mixed descent. I claim Black heritage because it is too difficult or annoying to discuss it with other people who are not of mixed descent, have not seen N.A's or have not history beign aorund those who are mixed. Those who have been around other races or seen similar mixes can see more Native American features in my face but are shocked to see a full head of curly hair. Most of the times, people think I'mmixed with Black or White. My father is African and Native-American. Everyone assumes he's Black because of his "dark" skin tone, however his face favors that of a Native and his hair texture is mixed. My mother is multiracial, looks more like a Black/White mix, the Native American part is not obvious at all. Race is a funny a thing. At the end of the day, you are GENETICALLY what you are. Genetics can be dilluted, keep that in mind. Your Granny may have been Native but you are not and vice versa.
Just be proud to be you!!!

I Chingachgook, last of my people. Once we fill this land as fish fill sea, as birds fill sky. As a child I ran through forest with my friends, young of a mighty nation. As a youth I bore pain of initiation. I took my place in war-band to fight our enemies. I stole woman from the Hurons, I took woman to lodge. My buckskin breech-cloth could contain me no longer. And that how I earn name Chingachgook, which mean Big Snake in forked tongue of white-man.

I call woman “Struggles-Beneath-Me”. She bear me fine son, "Uncas". Now am old. Uncas fine warrior but him lie dead. His soul join Mohican dead in lodge of Great Spirit. When I join them there will no longer be Mohicans in this land. My heart on floor.

Now, I must manage casino alone
~Native American on Blacks

rods1 wrote:

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Hiya "curious",
Now bear in mind, I'm English and living in England so I'm not an authority on the subject, and I'm lad to believe it's a bit complicated.
As far as I know, the Native American appeared some thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge between today's Russia, and probably Northern Canada. When the sea covered that 'bridge', the only humans that populated your country were the descendants of those 'nomads'. There are gene links to Russian natives still.
The USA is a pretty big place, and over thousand of years the native Americans migrated over the whole continent.
They formed groups, or tribes, that grew into vast 'nations' or became smaller and died out. They fought each other as happens everywhere, and there was much interbreeding. There was breeding with both white and black people, and probably all other skin variations too. Your granddaddy must be a very proud man.

I wholeheartedly agree.Native Americans, as somewhat mentioned before have a range of skin tones just like any other group. Native American skin tones generally range from pinkish(Northern natives: Aluets, Inuits etc.) to Olive (Plains natives: Navajo, Pawnee etc.) to lastly Light Brown/Copper (South-Eastern Natives and Central and South American natives: Cherokee, Sioux, Catawba, Maya, Aztecs, Comanche etc.). It should be noted however, that the aforementioned skin tones assigned to each region gives only a general Idea of the localized skin tone. An individual may have a skin tone of any of the regions depending on a number of factors including but not limited to genetic variance. Technically the only way for a black or white Native American to exist is through admixture with either respective population. Native Americans genetically belong to the Mongoloid race, with their ancestors arriving in the Americas from Siberia. Due to miscegenation in the Americas however, there are populations that exist that are white Natives or Black natives that are direct descendants of the very first inter marriages between the natives and others. A good example is the Lumbee tribe in North Carolina; They are not federally recognized as a tribe because they are heavily admixed. The Lumbee however are state recognized because they are still regarded as a tribe legally. It is really a play on semantics if you will. Therefore you can conclude that originally such populations did not exist and would have never existed were it not for intermarrying throughout the centuries.
Sources:
1.My research paper for Anthropology class
2.Asking my Grandfather, who is half Aniyunwiya 3.Myself(( an Indirect Descendant of the Aniyunwiya(Cherokee), Tuareg and Mande of Western Africa, Celts of Ireland and Scotland, and Norwegians of Scandinavia))

*I do not know if this makes any difference but I consider myself to be black/African American since I am primarily African with only 1/16 native blood and only 1/5 European genetically. My grandfather is registered with the Eastern Cherokee tribe in North Carolina. We ourselves live in Charlotte,NC.
Sources: 23andme DNA Company

Vaccination in America:
Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse introduced vaccination to the United States in 1800. Due to contamination and lack of preservation, the vaccines were often infected with bacteria., An article in the New York Times for June 19th, 1880, stated:
...Not only had poor sanitation and nutrition lain the foundation for disease, it was also compulsory smallpox vaccination campaigns in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that played a major role in decimating the populations of: Japan (48,000 deaths), England and Wales (44,840 deaths, after 97 percent of the population had been vaccinated), Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, Italy, India (3 million -- all vaccinated), Australia, Germany (124,000 deaths), Prussia (69,000 deaths -- all re-vaccinated), and the Philippines. The epidemics ended in cities where smallpox vaccinations were either discontinued, or never begun, and after sanitary reforms were instituted (Smallpox Vaccination).
And Im not even going talk about PLUM ISLAND where take old nazi diseases’(lime disease, sickle cell ,aids) and unleash it on the public..
How the hell did hell did such a complex man made diseases like aids get into a country that’s (Africa )people been around since 3300 b.c. just now get aids in the 80’s…
They the gaul and audacity to continue this S*%t today!!!!!!!
POOR =SLAVE!!!!!
They want decrease our numbers for more Control money is never enough for these people…
69% all white people suck!!
Yes I said 69% all white people suck!! Hell look at the economy today because of white greed theirs no CEO of AIG that’s brown, or black!!!!!
You people need to Google BILDERBURG!!!!!!

Everything I have type I have said to a white person face but, everything white people type on here they only say around the dinner table when the are eating flavor less food!!! And tell his kids that they came from a long line of killers and there superior and they run the planet !!!! White man created aids GOD created skin cancer!!!! Keep destroying the ozone pale skin well see who will last!!!
Ask yourself if the tea-party was black they would call the riot police and sic dogs on them ???
Death to them all!!!

UNKNOWN wrote:

THEIR ARE NO JUST THING AS WHITE OR BLACK NATIVE AMERICANS. THEY ARE WHITE NATIVE EUROPEAN IN THEIR LAND SAME WITH THE BLACK THEY ARE NATIVE AFRICANS IN AFRICA. YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THEY MIGHT MIX WITH WHITE AND BLACK BUT I BET THAT THEY WON'T CALL THEMSELVES BLACK OR WHITE NATIVE AMERICANS BECAUSE THE REAL NATIVE AMERICANS ARE BROWN OR COPPER SKIN PEOPLE. THOSE ARE THE REAL NATIVES OF THIS WESTERN CONTINENT.

....not true the Indians in northern Calif had black skin and afros

Noelani wrote:

I claim Black heritage because it is too difficult or annoying to discuss it with other people who are not of mixed descent, have not seen N.A's or have not history beign aorund those who are mixed.

Ain't this the truth. A lot of people still have a hard time accepting the mixed race identity, this at a time when the most powerful man alive is mixed. It's perfectly acceptable amongst said people if you are part Swedish/Irish/German etc. thats just interesting and exotic. Throw in any non white into that mixture and suddenly your considered tainted, designated as the first identifiable non white within the mix. So if you are Swedish/Irish/German and Chinese, then you are Chinese, to all but the Chinese, and people who can't comprehend what I'm talking about.

It is easier to claim native ancestry as a conversation piece if you dont actually look native. The closer your features to a pure blood native, the more challenges you will face in life. Similarly, those who naively imitate what they think is black culture, can only do so because when the chips are down, they can retreat into the safety of their white identity if this causes problems.

If you are white, you can claim to be as exotic as you please, but still be accepted as white and not treated any differently. If you are recognisably mixed, most people will disregard your white ancestry. They will be thinking where are you REALLY from. And when are you going back?

Just ask your president.