No Fence for the Mexican Border

kmfloyd wrote:

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A little revolution every now and then is a healthy thing...don't you think?

kmfloyd wrote:

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I should say you need the history book, my friend. There is more than enough evidence to show that the southwest was in fact stolen from Mexico...

John wrote:

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If you start reading the history book from the beginning, you will see that the Mexicans stole what is now Mexico from the Aztecs.

kmfloyd wrote:

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I should say you need the history book, my friend. There is more than enough evidence to show that the southwest was in fact stolen from Mexico. Granted, we did purchase a little in what is now Arizona (Gadsden Purchase). Research the annexation of Texas and the US need to expand at all cost into California.
And for your information America is a nationality, not a race. There is no race called America, which was my original point. I would also contend that getting into the country in the era you mentioned was much easier, so there was less need to find alternative ways to enter the US. I can't even imagine what the wait is for legal immigration.

Desmond wrote:

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I am so NOT interested in the whining masses crying about how we "stole" California. There was a war. They lost and we won. If they had won, we'd be speaking Spanish.
California may have been part of Mexico in theory, but it was never the case in reality. They never actually had control of the territory for the almost twenty-five years of ownership. There were always more American landowners here. Besides, if you don't pay your military for five years, it is difficult to expect them to defend your territory. It all it took to "steal" California was a small exploratory part, John Sutter, and a flag at the top of a hill with a bear that looked more like a pig. We were at the top of the hill and the Mexicans were at the bottom. They never even tried to storm the castle.

MexicanJumpingUrFence wrote:

I'm jumping your fence any which way you put it!!!
I'm poking your white daugthers too!!!

That Dude wrote:

Someone in NJ needs to sell their horse and buy a boat and head back to Europe.
Upon arriving, their home!!!!
The Indians were robbed, this is their land Cowboy!

Dawn Garcia wrote:

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Now here is a person with brains!

MexicanJumpingUrFence wrote:

I'm jumping your fence any which way you put it!!!
I'm poking your white daugthers too!!!

Jim wrote:

<quoted text>Two weeks ago California was complaining that they didn't have enough mexican workers because of the bad publicity the illegals got. Today California wants Federal money to pay minimum $450.00/per Wk. to these illegals to keep them in California until the next picking season at the same time the pickers who are not illegals will get $200.00 a week from unemployment! Sounds right to ME!

Desmond wrote:

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I am so NOT interested in the whining masses crying about how we "stole" California. There was a war. They lost and we won. If they had won, we'd be speaking Spanish.
California may have been part of Mexico in theory, but it was never the case in reality. They never actually had control of the territory for the almost twenty-five years of ownership. There were always more American landowners here. Besides, if you don't pay your military for five years, it is difficult to expect them to defend your territory. It all it took to "steal" California was a small exploratory part, John Sutter, and a flag at the top of a hill with a bear that looked more like a pig. We were at the top of the hill and the Mexicans were at the bottom. They never even tried to storm the castle.

Desmond wrote:

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Less than three percent of the people who come to California illegally from Mexico are actually even seasonally employed in agriculture. I grew up in the Central Valley, and I can tell you there just are not all that many crops left that are picked by hand.

runnin bare wrote:

<quoted text>The person with the brains is the one who figures how to give the land back to the Indians without any Europeon or Mexicans decendents or immigrants on it.

Ddh34 wrote:

This was a federal law that was passeb by president Bush and must be built !!!

kmfloyd wrote:

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Let's not even get started on the numbers of indigenous groups that the US basically ran over to settle the West with no thought of the consequences, but that's another thread for another day.

John wrote:

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Also, let's not get started on the numbers of indigenous groups that Mexico is running over today. Mexico City is built upon the ruins of the culture it's grandfathers destroyed.