Pacers lay down the law

Full story: The Indianapolis Star

Shawne Williams will face just three traffic-related charges from his arrest earlier this week, but Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird isn't waiting to hear a verdict.

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To the Miffed

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#86
Sep 14, 2007
 
Zwingli the Miffed wrote:
There is something rather fascistic about some of the punishments you guys are suggesting for a traffic ticket.
Now who's over the top, Toe?
Zwingli the Miffed

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#87
Sep 14, 2007
 
To the Miffed wrote:
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Now who's over the top, Toe?
Perhaps, but perhaps not. Suggesting that a person be banished from the NBA for a traffic violation seems to be a disproportionately extreme punishment. Not to mention people's expressed desires to drum Williams out of the league without any due process. Or suggesting that the police should have blood tested him without the benefit of a warrant. Being an NBA athlete does not waive their Constitutional rights. If you were in the same position, you'd probably like a few protections from overzealous cops as well.

Hypercriminalization or disproportionately severe punishments for minor infractions (ie. traffic violations) are one of the hallmarks of a Fascist state. By criminalizing everything, you keep a population pliant.
NBA Thugs

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#88
Sep 14, 2007
 
I am done with the NBA, and done with the Pacers. 3 games? Lay down the law? A good kid? Are you kidding me.
This is a joke. For whatever reason, the league will not impose any sort of standards to ensure that street thugs such as this do not have a chance to play.
In my view, a year suspension without pay would be appropriate here.
I have no desire to watch a bunch of overpaid, hip hop, thugs, run and jump out of the Gym anymore.
OUT.
Oneal fan

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#89
Sep 14, 2007
 
Larry is finally doing something to change the team but the suspension is way too short.
curious

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#91
Sep 14, 2007
 
Zwingli the Miffed wrote:
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Hypercriminalization or disproportionately severe punishments for minor infractions (ie. traffic violations) are one of the hallmarks of a Fascist state. By criminalizing everything, you keep a population pliant.
I'm sure you didn't mean to suggest that Indiana is a Fascist state. That would be a bit inflamatory, don't you think? I think most of the thoughtful people contributing to this forum feel that Mr. Williams has every right to fair treatment, the benefit of assumption of innocence, and proportionality of punishment under the LAW. And our legal system will not fail him - he'll get a tiny tap on the wrist - a small fine and nothing else. And rightly so; the charges are misdemeanors. However, Mr. Williams has no right to expect the same treatment in the court of public OPINION. He is an adult (not a little boy), a professinal athelete. It would be condescending of any of us to assume that he fails to understand that he is paid an enormous amount of money to do just two things 1) play winning basketball with all his heart, and 2) represent his team and his fans by good conduct on and off the court. Mr. Williams had to know that his behavior would be under scrutiny by the public. Do you really think this guy was unaware that he had pot in his car, unaware that he was riding with someone carrying an unlicensed weapon, unaware that his plates were expired, unaware that he was not allowed to drive a vehicle in our state? Where do you think his behavior was leading that night? Mr. Williams may have only been moments away from running a traffic light and crashing into an innocent victim. Or maybe that gun would have been used later that night in a brawl outside a strip club (those things seem to happen with the Pacers). Or maybe Mr. Williams unknowingly that night had, himself, a date to become a victim of the senseless gun violence that plagues our city. The good people who live in this state expect a high standard from their athletes (maybe Connecticut has different expectations than Indiana) and are so very weary of having our state's and our franchise’s reputation sullied by overpaid punks who probably can't even find Indiana on a map let alone understand the basketball tradition that this state represents. We just want a team again that plays with heart, sportsmanship and class. Have you ever been in Conseco Fieldhouse? If you have, what do you feel when you walk the halls there? Well, I'll tell you what I and most of the others commenting in this forum feel. The place is a veritable shrine to Indiana professional basketball history. A Hoosier basketball fan will get goose bumps just walking the corridors surrounded by the mementos of the proud history of our ABA and NBA teams. And it hurts us all to watch, time and time again, these punks display total disregard for the privilege they've been given to play for this franchise. And it hurts us to see owners and management that seem to have forgotten the responsibility they have to acts as stewards of our state's traditions and values. Someone in this forum suggested just going to watch Butler University play instead. Not a bad idea. So while Mr/Ms Newhaven Ct here can go to all the Pacer games they like, maybe those of us sickened by what this team has become should spend our evenings when the Pacers are in town watching local college and prep school action. Maybe that is the only way to kill this cancer and revive the values and traditions that are our Indiana heritage. Maybe Mr. Williams will use one of his free evenings this fall to take in a Butler game too – let’s just make sure he gets a pat down at the door and let's all pray that someone calls him a cab.
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#92
Sep 15, 2007
 
Ryan wrote:
Wow, its great to see "Fans" complaining about the Pacers just because its the pupular opinion right now that they cant do anything right. 3 games might not seem like much but its the normal type of suspension a player recieves for such an offense. The Pacers organization is doing what they need to cut them some slack. Some people will complain regardless just to complain.
The "complainers" are the fans in the community and the NBA had better clean up their act quickly or risk losing tons of revenue from many sources. Thats the facts.
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#93
Sep 15, 2007
 
What-A-Joke wrote:
Three games are you kidding! This team consists of over payed, below average skilled thugs and punks! I wouldn't want anyone from that team for a neighbor. I wished the Pacers would leave town! What-A-Joke!
Are YOU kidding?! This is not even a big deal whoopdy doo a few TRAFFIC violations and everyone starts up the talk about "those Pacers, their all thugs!" I mean it's ridiculous. Tinsley maybe, but I wouldn't classify him that harshly. But PLEASE stop with the thug talk when only 1 player is even worthy of being consdidered to be one.
Michael

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#94
Sep 15, 2007
 
With the exception of a few of you, posters here are so hypocritical!
jonny

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#95
Sep 16, 2007
 
I think Larry Bird should have let him sit out for a year and take his money!Godbless,Jonny

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