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Edwin Encarnacion

METS 7, REDS 5: First is gift-wrapped

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The Mets took a long road to get there, but when they face the Phillies tomorrow at Shea Stadium, the teams will be in a flat-footed tie for first place in the National League East.

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Jack The Cabbie

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#1
Jul 21, 2008
 
With all that has happened this season, it's nice to see The Mets in a position to take over first. Of course there is still a lot of baseball left, but hopefullywinning 2 out of 3, would be a good thing. GO METS!!
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Jul 21, 2008
 
Unless the Braves get into the trade market before the deadline, this looks like a three way race with the Mets,Phillies and Marlins. I would like to know the opinion of my fellow posters: Do we stand pat or go into the July 31st deadline and try to upgrade the team? Can we count on Church coming back? Would Heillman be somone we could dangle?
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#3
Jul 21, 2008
 
Lou wrote:
Unless the Braves get into the trade market before the deadline, this looks like a three way race with the Mets,Phillies and Marlins. I would like to know the opinion of my fellow posters: Do we stand pat or go into the July 31st deadline and try to upgrade the team? Can we count on Church coming back? Would Heillman be somone we could dangle?
Have to pray to the baseball gods that Church comes back. You can never have enough pitching. I think the series againt the Phillies should be a good litmus test to see what we have.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
Lou wrote:
Unless the Braves get into the trade market before the deadline, this looks like a three way race with the Mets,Phillies and Marlins. I would like to know the opinion of my fellow posters: Do we stand pat or go into the July 31st deadline and try to upgrade the team? Can we count on Church coming back? Would Heillman be somone we could dangle?
I think Omar should look for a quality starting corner outfielder. Someone with fire and youth, not old and spanish. As much as I like Tatis and Endy, you have to be wondering if they can continue to play this way until September and hopefully beyond. Church will remain a question mark and since the Mets mishandled his 1st comeback, they will surely be very conservative about bringing him back so quick. I don't see any reason to not put Heilman out there, perhaps a team that would want to make him a starter. However, if we can't find a good trade, then bring up F-Mart and give the kid a shot out there.
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#5
Jul 21, 2008
 
The Mets, seemingly doing everything they could to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, fled Cincy with only a vestige of the glow from the win streak still intact. Runners stranded galore, defensive blunders, baserunning curiosities, bullpen ineptitude; it was all on display once again during this sobering 4-game set. Yes, they're in 1st place, but this style of play will never hold up against a quality team - if such an animal exists in this terrible league. But of all the flaws, none is as deflating as the lack of clutch-hitting. It has reached a point where loading the bases with less than 2 outs may now be considered a disadvantage for the Mets. It's time once again to try for that elusive RBI man, wherever he may be and whatever he costs. Futile? Maybe. But not much more futile than yet another potential big-inning meltdown. If Omar does nothing else before 7/31, he must secure an RBI bat. The Majors' oldest team is gasping and wheezing as they stumble towards the distant finish line with a chance to win. But they need assistance as the elderly often do. Don't let them expire without a chance, Omar. Get it done!

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Jul 21, 2008
 
YanksBlow wrote:
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I think Omar should look for a quality starting corner outfielder. Someone with fire and youth, not old and spanish. As much as I like Tatis and Endy, you have to be wondering if they can continue to play this way until September and hopefully beyond. Church will remain a question mark and since the Mets mishandled his 1st comeback, they will surely be very conservative about bringing him back so quick. I don't see any reason to not put Heilman out there, perhaps a team that would want to make him a starter. However, if we can't find a good trade, then bring up F-Mart and give the kid a shot out there.
In regards to Heilman, and I'll probably get blasted for this, but.... I wouldn't trade him unless I got solid value for him, a proven major league talent.
As a Mets die hard, I know his 'streakiness' can get crazy at times. But heres the thing. Heilman serves in the most underappreciated slot on any team. Middle reliever only gets noticed when he blows it. If he is successful, he can go right under the radar, which Aaron has at different points during his career. His overall numbers over the course of his career aren't all that bad. He's been as big part of our bullpen successes (2006) as our failures.
The other thing is...and I know this probably won't go over well; I believe Mets management see's Aaron as a potential closer down the road. I think they are waiting for his career to develop that way, like Aggie and Isringhausen. Otherwise, they could have dealt him at any time over the last two years and gotten value, as there has been plenty of interest.
And WHY is there plenty of interest?
Could it be that other scouts see the same thing Mets management sees? Is Heilman one pitch away from potential dominance? When he's on, there is plenty of life on that ball.
I'm not saying keep Heilman at all costs. I'm just saying don't give him away because he's had a tough stretch.
As far as who is out there, so far not much. I agree that Endy/Tatis is a pretty risky combo to be counting on.
I'll say this, if big Carlos is indeed back near form, it's all a moot point. That guy has been missing from the offense going back to the beginning of last year. Having an 85% Carlos DelGado will cure all this teams offensive problems.
I really thought big Carlos was more or less old with not much left. It's starting to look like I was wrong. Sometimes being wrong turns out to be a good thing!
fadinfast

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#7
Jul 21, 2008
 
Not knowing what goals (if any)Manuel has set for the team, a mind set of winning 2 of 3 is GREAT. While that is a pretty lofty goal,it would most certaintly assure a 1st place finish.
Wagner and Martinez are feeling their age,and are question marks for the remainder of their careers. Oh they will have their days, but not enough of them to achieve winning 2 of 3 for the remainder of the seasons. Is there a quality closer available? is there a starter available? if so at what price? Church is a huge question mark but getting him back is crucial to beating both Philly and Florida.
metschoke 06 07 08

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Jul 21, 2008
 
The Yankees would be in sole possession of first place if they played in the inferior National League LEAST.

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Jul 21, 2008
 
metschoke 06 07 08 wrote:
The Yankees would be in sole possession of first place if they played in the inferior National League LEAST.
And they've had the championship robbed from them 7 years straight. I think you need to write your congressman, young fella. It's just not fair.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
metschoke 06 07 08 wrote:
The Yankees would be in sole possession of first place if they played in the inferior National League LEAST.
Actually, the Yanks would be getting their a-ss-es handed to them in the NL East. The Mets took 4 of 6 from them and outscored them horribly. What do you think the Phils and the Marlins would do to them. Oh wait we already know what the Marlins would do to them. The Yankees would also have to bat their pitcher and we all know what happenes when the Yanks pitchers have to bat, hello DL.
Please, the AL East is by far the weakest Division in MLB. Their is only one good team in there, the Red Sox. Tampa is unproven and until they finish it off that's where they stay, and the yankees are a shell of what they used to be. The fact that only the Sox or Yanks have won the division for the last 15 years shows exactly how weak a division it is. And the fact that the Yanks have choked for 7 consecutive seasons proves it even more. Maybe if that division were tougher they would be battle tested by the time the post season comes along, but they never are. They beat up on the weak in their division and then get beat up in the post season.
So get a clue, sherlock. The Yanks couldn't compete in any NL Division, ok well maybe the NL West, but definitely not the NL East.

Yanks
Lose 4 of 6 to the Mets
Lose 2 of 3 to the mighty Reds
Lose 2 of 3 to the even mightier Pirates

Yeah, and you think the yanks would be in first? Ok, Rainman! lol
Mac

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#11
Jul 21, 2008
 
If we go into Philly playing like we did against the Reds, we're in big trouble. We squandered too many scoring opportunities, with inning-ending double plays, pop ups, and strikeouts, made too many errors, and gave up too many runs. Most of our baserunners came from walks or singles. We need more big hits with runners on base. We might not have won yesterday if it weren't for the Reds' defense.

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Mac wrote:
If we go into Philly playing like we did against the Reds, we're in big trouble. We squandered too many scoring opportunities, with inning-ending double plays, pop ups, and strikeouts, made too many errors, and gave up too many runs. Most of our baserunners came from walks or singles. We need more big hits with runners on base. We might not have won yesterday if it weren't for the Reds' defense.
Yeah, the Cincy series wasn't perfect. I think we (as in me, too) can get a little over analytical at times. We took two of four on the road. We just finished up a ten game winning streak. I don't know, but I think we may have turned the corner and be on our way. I don't expect to win ten in a row, two loss, eight in a row, three loss, eight in a row.
If we did we'd be the '27 Yankees, only better. Just keep winning series, and all will be good.
Actually winning two out of three series is enough for a wildcard if you think about it.
jimsha

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#13
Jul 21, 2008
 
The most consistent player this weekend clearly was carlos. No not delgado but beltran. Saturday night in the 7th inning with the bases loaded and the game on the line, what does he do? No quess here. Takes a clled third strike on a pitch right down the middle. Yesterday in the same situation but with no one out, what does he do? Again, no quess here, he swings (as i've seen more times than i can remember) at an offspeed pitch in the dirt. If i didn't know better (and maybe i don't) that man is clueless at the plate!
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Jul 21, 2008
 
metschoke 06 07 08 wrote:
The Yankees would be in sole possession of first place if they played in the inferior National League LEAST.
I like how the National League east is the inferior league, how about the NL West with not one team over .500
Lou

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Ken Strong wrote:
<quoted text>In regards to Heilman, and I'll probably get blasted for this, but.... I wouldn't trade him unless I got solid value for him, a proven major league talent.
As a Mets die hard, I know his 'streakiness' can get crazy at times. But heres the thing. Heilman serves in the most underappreciated slot on any team. Middle reliever only gets noticed when he blows it. If he is successful, he can go right under the radar, which Aaron has at different points during his career. His overall numbers over the course of his career aren't all that bad. He's been as big part of our bullpen successes (2006) as our failures.
The other thing is...and I know this probably won't go over well; I believe Mets management see's Aaron as a potential closer down the road. I think they are waiting for his career to develop that way, like Aggie and Isringhausen. Otherwise, they could have dealt him at any time over the last two years and gotten value, as there has been plenty of interest.
And WHY is there plenty of interest?
Could it be that other scouts see the same thing Mets management sees? Is Heilman one pitch away from potential dominance? When he's on, there is plenty of life on that ball.
I'm not saying keep Heilman at all costs. I'm just saying don't give him away because he's had a tough stretch.
As far as who is out there, so far not much. I agree that Endy/Tatis is a pretty risky combo to be counting on.
I'll say this, if big Carlos is indeed back near form, it's all a moot point. That guy has been missing from the offense going back to the beginning of last year. Having an 85% Carlos DelGado will cure all this teams offensive problems.
I really thought big Carlos was more or less old with not much left. It's starting to look like I was wrong. Sometimes being wrong turns out to be a good thing!
I also recognize Heilman's talen but do you think he is a "head case", in other words is his pitching problems more mental than physical?

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#16
Jul 21, 2008
 
Lou wrote:
<quoted text>I also recognize Heilman's talen but do you think he is a "head case", in other words is his pitching problems more mental than physical?
Actually, I think you hit it right on the "HEAD".
LOL.
I do believe that that is probably the case. It seems like they are taking their chances with him, that maybe that he'll 'clear up'.
Not that I'm some kind of well adjusted person or expert, but from what I understand Aaron is a 'brainiac' styled person. I know a couple of people like that in my day to day life that are great folks and talented people.
Sometimes they get hung up trying to "reinvent the wheel", if you know what I mean. Maybe thats Heilman.
Muhammad

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Jul 21, 2008
 
How do figure when the Mets slapped the yankees around 40 runs to 25 when they played??!!!
metschoke 06 07 08 wrote:
The Yankees would be in sole possession of first place if they played in the inferior National League LEAST.
JTA

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#18
Jul 21, 2008
 
How can Rickey Henderson be 5th on the list of triples with 31 when he played less than 2 full seasons? According to baseball-reference.com , Henderson had 0 triples with the Mets during that time.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
JTA wrote:
How can Rickey Henderson be 5th on the list of triples with 31 when he played less than 2 full seasons? According to baseball-reference.com , Henderson had 0 triples with the Mets during that time.
I thought the same thing when I first saw the list.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
metschoke 06 07 08 wrote:
The Yankees would be in sole possession of first place if they played in the inferior National League LEAST.
. Oh Yea with that great SP staff of Ponson/Rasner and Steroid Giambi hitting his 320 foot hrs, NOT just an outfield out. Oh no DH in NL so Jeter will be even more lame, BTW Jose Reyes with his 300 Avg, 43 RBI's from the leadoff spot, 70 runs scored, 35 stolen bases, triples galore oh and what is a Derek Jeter stat sheet, errrrrrrrrrr no comparison
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