Calling price too high, Yankees exit Santana chase

paljoe00 wrote:

Having been a Yankee fan for seventy years my comments go to the heart of the "new" Yankees. I am glad they did not give up the great young talent for Santana. I don't care if the Red Sox get him, and I don't care if the Yanks fall short this seaso.
In 2007 one could look into the Yankee dugout and see smiles, and confidence. Cano and Cabrera surrounding ARod after his homer and leaping for joy.
Joba out of the bullpen and completely dominant. Pedttite who should have won 20 games that the bullpen crossed out. Arod and Jeter Hitting like mad, and Posada having his alltime best season.
No, the yanks are young, the manager is young, the front office is young. This is the future of the Yankees but it won't happen overnight. We don't want Santana... We stillhave to find a way of dumping Farnsworth and Pavano, and let Pavano be the lesson. He has been a disgrace. Keep it young stay pat, for we have the nucleus of a dynasty once again, in the maqking.

Drew wrote:

The Red Sox are a better baseball team now, obviously. Let the he Red Sox add stars! That's funny...as if the Yankees are winning with kids making the MLB minimum!
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man wrote:

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if Sox sign Santana they should worry about what Becket will want. he lead then to 2 championships. dont thing they're that concerned over paying Manny,it no secret that although they love his production the've been trying to move him for thelast 4 years but no takers due to high salary and attitude.
i agree HughesMelky AND kennedy was high price...but as stands rightnow they have Wang, Pettite, Hughes, Kennedy, Joba, Mussina (forget Pavano i dont count onhim as player but if does that makes 7 starters).
so Wang and Pettite have starter roles. they seem committed to Joba as starter. Hughes is starter. so who goes into pen. your prized prospect that you wouldn't trade cuz he's a future star or $17million Mussina?
i say Wang, Pettite, Hughes, KEnnedy, Mussina and Joba set up for Mo in 7 & 8.

Jackson FL wrote:

This whole thing is full of question marks. Is Hughes really that good. Will Joba as good a starter as he looked in relief. I think Kennedy looks good. So it's all a big question. If these guys are good and there is talent in the minors this is a good no trade. If not then a bad move. Why did we not go after Cabrera and Willis for a bunch of minor leaguer's. Put Cabrera or A-Rod on first.

Drew wrote:

THIS is typical New York Yankees fan thinking...SO much from the Yankees??? Melky Cabrera has somehow become a superstar over the off season!. One fan on this board just said something to the effect of Melky Cabrera being successful in the post season! He has hit .158 in the post season! That's special. He's an average player. Everyone likes a great story I guess! The Yankees had the untouchable Brandon Claussen and many others...The team is very good at inflating the worth of its chips. Let's not make Phil Hughes out to be Tom Seaver! The Twins were looking for a good deal, the Yankees didn't provide them with what they were looking for. Why is that so hard to understand? It's really laugh out loud funny that anytime a team doesn't trade their franchise player for a Yankee package of mediocrity, fans scream CONSPIRACY!!! Where have the Twins stated that they would take a mere package from the Red Sox? You're listening to the NY media too much.
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Drew wrote:

Pettitte should have won 20 games??? Based on what? Perhaps if he had the wherewithal to pitch more than 6 1/3, he could have wrapped up those games on his own!
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HarleyRider wrote:

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Willis is now in the A.L., and about to get his head handed to him. As for first base, I'd rather have Carlos Pena (TB)

HarleyRider wrote:

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I completely agree with this, except for 1 thing. I would have Pettite, Wang, Hughes, Kennedy and then either another pitcher from the farm, or one gotten via trade/free agency, and not start Moose. Keeping Joba in the pen is key. The bullpen lost alot of games for us until Joba showed up.
Remember back in the late 90's, when other teams only had 6 innings to score on us, and the bullpen was lights out?

paljoe00 wrote:

Having been a Yankee fan for seventy years my comments go to the heart of the "new" Yankees.

but seriously wrote:

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I had no need for your first point, as it is useless. As for your second point, that the Red Sox are the "better" team. I believe the Yankees won the series 10-8 this year, no? And they did it with the kids making the MLB minimum! As it has been stated before, and will definitely be stated again, it is not necessarily the better team that wins. It is the hotter team. Make fun of me for being a "Yankee fan who lives in the past" as much as you want but try not to forget that the Sox were also down 3 games to 1 to the Indians. Blab all you want that it was a 7 game series. I'm not going to deny that. I'm just going to say that they were in the same position as the Yanks. Just got a little lucky they had longer to win.

Drew wrote:

Pettitte should have won 20 games??? Based on what? Perhaps if he had the wherewithal to pitch more than 6 1/3, he could have wrapped up those games on his own!
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BigAl wrote:

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Hey Mutsie,
Nobody is saying Cabrerea is a superstar. He is an improving CF who is already solid on defense and will be a 290-300 Hitter with 15-20 HR at least-Pretty Solid
Yanks were smart not giving in to the Twinkees demands to include Hughes, Kennedy & Cabrera. Hughes & Joba barring injury, will be solid starting pitches at the very least.
Muts are dying for any starting pitcher under the age of 40!!!
Let the Muts offer Reyes & Pelfrey for Santana.

man wrote:

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yeah that was when Mo set up for Wetland. it was a 6 inning game. thaty's what we could have back with job athrowing 7 and 8 and mo throwing 9. but they seem committed to Joba as starter. it's a virtual unknown how hitters will adjust to him the 2nd and 3rd time through the order seeing him. it's tough to put Mussina in the pen. he's earning what 17-18 million this yr. how do you put that kinda $ on the back shelf?
if no Santana i keep who we have. i DONT think we should move Hughes for Haren or anyone else. Willis is gone to detroit. Boston gonna be awful hard to cope with when they throw out Becket, Santana, Schilling, Dice-k and Bucholtz/Wakefield. where's the weakness. that's ridiculous.

Drew wrote:

The Red Sox won the World Series. They clearly are the best team in the game. When the Yankees win the World Series, I state that they are the better team. The Red Sox had Bucholtz throw a no hitter, Ellsbury, Pedroia and a few other not making much cash...Every team does. But, let's not pretend that these two teams spend a fortune on their players.
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Bob wrote:

Busey--
I certainly hope the rumor of Cano and Hughes for Sheets is wrong! Ack!

Drew wrote:

The Red Sox won the World Series. They clearly are the best team in the game. When the Yankees win the World Series, I state that they are the better team. The Red Sox had Bucholtz throw a no hitter, Ellsbury, Pedroia and a few other not making much cash...Every team does. But, let's not pretend that these two teams spend a fortune on their players.
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HarleyRider wrote:

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Back in the day, yes that would have been true. In this day and age, pitchers usually pitch 6, 7 or sometimes 8 innings, and then give way to the relievers. It is so rare for a pitcher to pitch a complete game, it is spotlighted on ESPN every time it happens. In 2007, Pettite lost at least 5 games in which he pitched at least 6 innings, giving up 2 ER's or less.

but seriously wrote:

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I believe the Yankees won the series 10-8 this year, no? And they did it with the kids making the MLB minimum! As it has been stated before, and will definitely be stated again, it is not necessarily the better team that wins. It is the hotter team.