Calling price too high, Yankees exit Santana chase

I hate to say it- but if the Yankees are good talent evaluators (and I think they are) - this was the best move for them to not trade away young their young pitchers. There might be some growing pains this year but in the long run they could be set for years to come.

who wouldnt want to have santana.But for the trade of hughes and cabrera we would be losing a starting CF who is growing each year and actually hit in playoffs and is very good defensively. To replace Melky, with someone other than damon, who I dont think can still play CF the same anymore, would be very costly - perhaps up to 12 to 15 million per. Than signing santana to an astronimcal contract as well - could add a total of $40 millin in payrll. Better to keep the kids and supplement around them. we do still need an ace, yes, but if we had a full year of hughes, chamberlain and kennedy, good chance last year wouldnt have been a mad scramble just to make playoffs. we could have been contending with the Red sox all year.

Great non trade

I like the team lets see if Boston can live up to the presure of must win.

I was cleaning out my basement the other day and I came across some Yankee yearbooks from 1992 and 1993. Each had a section about up and coming stars. I took a quick look and saw names like Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, and Andy Pettite. Imagine how different the late 1990's would have been for the Yankees if they traded any 2 of these players for the hottest pitcher in baseball at the time (I can't remember who that was .. maybe Clemens?). Maybe, just maybe, someone learned their lesson, and won't piss away the farm. I, for one, think that the asking price was far too steep, and the Yankees are better off using home-grown talent. If Santana goes to the Sox, then he goes to the Sox. But that's one pitcher. The Yankees may have 2 or 3 Santanas waiting in the wings. I'm looking forward to this season.

Rational thinking has perhaps finally mad its way into Yankee management.

"Don't trade away the team's future for overpriced veterans."

this could be good yes. but if boston gets santana for hardly anyone.. thats a bit suspicious after the twins demanded so much from the yankees

Defnitely a good move. With a salary cap in baseball's future, we don't want to have a pitcher that makes 25 million a year. Better to spend wisely and invest in young talent (like the Twins and Rox).

The New York Yankees let Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson or Alan Horne get in their way of getting Johan Santana. Interesting to say the least.

These prospects had better be every bit as good as the Yankees hope they are, because take a look at what the Red Sox starting rotation will be next season if they land Santana:

Johan Santana
2007 stats: 15-13, 3.33 ERA
Career stats: 93-44, 3.22

Josh Beckett
2007 stats: 20-7, 3.27 ERA
Career stats: 77-52, 3.74

Curt Schilling
2007 stats: 9-8, 3.87 ERA
Career stats: 216-146, 3.46

D. Matsuzaka
2007 stats: 15-12, 4.40 ERA
Career stats: 15-12, 4.40

Clay Buchholz
2007 stats: 3-1, 1.59 ERA

Please note that Buchholz is considered every bit as good as Phil Hughes.

That would be a great rotation in any era, in this day and age it's simply phenomenal.

THIS is typical New York Yankees fan thinking...SO much from the Yankees??? Melky Cabrera has somehow become a superstar over the off season!. One fan on this board just said something to the effect of Melky Cabrera being successful in the post season! He has hit .158 in the post season! That's special. He's an average player. Everyone likes a great story I guess! The Yankees had the untouchable Brandon Claussen and many others...The team is very good at inflating the worth of its chips. Let's not make Phil Hughes out to be Tom Seaver! The Twins were looking for a good deal, the Yankees didn't provide them with what they were looking for. Why is that so hard to understand? It's really laugh out loud funny that anytime a team doesn't trade their franchise player for a Yankee package of mediocrity, fans scream CONSPIRACY!!! Where have the Twins stated that they would take a mere package from the Red Sox? You're listening to the NY media too much.

Tyvek wrote:

this could be good yes. but if boston gets santana for hardly anyone.. thats a bit suspicious after the twins demanded so much from the yankees

I am definitely for this non-trade. This kids are gonna be good, so let's keep 'em and let Boston blow up their payroll to the point they won't be able to resign their own guys in the future. Desert Cat- I don't think they'll ever be a salary cap in baseball, since the player's union is one of the strongest union's in America.

I am glad th hear the Yankees are going to keep their young players. I thought we were building from our farm system. Santana is great but the cost is to large. I want to see the Yankees keep their youth movement. Remember the rust is showing in the older Red sox players.

Payroll for Boston isn't nearly what the Yankees is...However, the whole thing is ridiculous. Is it really any fun to root for these teams? I was listening to the radio this morning. Apparently the Marlins payroll will be close to $10 million. The Yankees pay more for than that for a few middle relievers. It's absurd. If it's a free market (big market teams always fall back on that), then let the Marlins move to Brooklyn or Manhattan, build a beautiful park, and compete. The Yankees and Mets would never let it happen...In a free market, the Yankees and Mets would have no say...it's called competition. There's a very unlevel playing field that favors the big market teams in a huge way. It's killing the game. Why would the Marlins trade their best offensive player? Why can't Minnesota keep its best pitcher? When only a few teams can afford quality players, the league needs to change.

RCUZ wrote:

I am definitely for this non-trade. This kids are gonna be good, so let's keep 'em and let Boston blow up their payroll to the point they won't be able to resign their own guys in the future. Desert Cat- I don't think they'll ever be a salary cap in baseball, since the player's union is one of the strongest union's in America.

Good move not getting Santana at that price. To give up that much young talent and then to have to pay a gazillion dollars on top to Santana is too much. If Santana is smart, he'll veto any trade, play thru this year with the Twins and make even more money next year when teams do not have to compensate the Twins too. Yanks were competitive last year without their best pitchers and the young pitchers available all season. RedSux had a bunch of careeer years and barely won the East

Cashman talked Hank et al out of it more for the money than the talent. The Twins agreed to Hughes, Melky and 2 2nd tier prospects. The cost of Santana - 20+/mil year, plus upgrading a center fielder would have put the Yanks close to $500/mil in payroll.

They are putting alot of stock into Hughes and Kennedy. On paper the Sox are unbeatable if the Twins agree - but they might not and go back to the Yanks after the winter meetings. For some reason - I do not see the Red Sox paying $20+/mil a year for one player. As we all have seen over the past 6-7 years - the Yankees need pitching and they will not win out-hitting everone else. Wang petered out in the playoffs - Mussina is if'y, Joba might not be a starter - will Pettite stay healthy, Kennedy is maybe a 4th or 5th starter at best - and why they did not through him in and take Melky out of the package. Even if Shilling goes down and Wakefield is touch and go all year - Matsuzaka, Becket, Santana, Buckholtz - if he is good as he was last year - even though it is tough to admit being a Yankee fan - will be tough to beat.

i for one am disappointed in Yanks not getting Santana. i not saying they shoulda gave the farm away but he's the type fo ace to anchor the staff that they neeed. nothing against teh young guns, as matter o fact scouts touted kennedy as even more talent than Hughes with 5 pitches in his arsenal. however they dont match up head to head with anhy of the league's top starters.
face it...nobody on staff matches Becket in a game 1. they dont match Sabathia either. IF santana lands on Sox they dont match him. Andy is best pitcher on team and i not sure he matches any of them. go to 2nd spot and who matches Carmona or Schilling? in a short series you need a top starter than can throw games 1 and 5 if needed...

man wrote:

i for one am disappointed in Yanks not getting Santana. i not saying they shoulda gave the farm away but he's the type fo ace to anchor the staff that they neeed. nothing against teh young guns, as matter o fact scouts touted kennedy as even more talent than Hughes with 5 pitches in his arsenal. however they dont match up head to head with anhy of the league's top starters.
face it...nobody on staff matches Becket in a game 1. they dont match Sabathia either. IF santana lands on Sox they dont match him. Andy is best pitcher on team and i not sure he matches any of them. go to 2nd spot and who matches Carmona or Schilling? in a short series you need a top starter than can throw games 1 and 5 if needed...

maybe but to give to give the Twins half a rotation (Hughes and Kennedy) AND a starting CF plus a prospect made no sense by even sux nation math

Fairfax wrote:

These prospects had better be every bit as good as the Yankees hope they are, because take a look at what the Red Sox starting rotation will be next season if they land Santana:
Johan Santana
2007 stats: 15-13, 3.33 ERA
Career stats: 93-44, 3.22
Josh Beckett
2007 stats: 20-7, 3.27 ERA
Career stats: 77-52, 3.74
Curt Schilling
2007 stats: 9-8, 3.87 ERA
Career stats: 216-146, 3.46
D. Matsuzaka
2007 stats: 15-12, 4.40 ERA
Career stats: 15-12, 4.40
Clay Buchholz
2007 stats: 3-1, 1.59 ERA
Please note that Buchholz is considered every bit as good as Phil Hughes.
That would be a great rotation in any era, in this day and age it's simply phenomenal.

redsx already have highest price tickets in MLB. They aren't in the market for a 2nd $100 mil pitcher.
If they do Manny and Ortiz will want theirs after 2008. As long as they stay in Fenway thay will have financial limits

Fairfax wrote:

These prospects had better be every bit as good as the Yankees hope they are, because take a look at what the Red Sox starting rotation will be next season if they land Santana:
Johan Santana
2007 stats: 15-13, 3.33 ERA
Career stats: 93-44, 3.22
Josh Beckett
2007 stats: 20-7, 3.27 ERA
Career stats: 77-52, 3.74
Curt Schilling
2007 stats: 9-8, 3.87 ERA
Career stats: 216-146, 3.46
D. Matsuzaka
2007 stats: 15-12, 4.40 ERA
Career stats: 15-12, 4.40
Clay Buchholz
2007 stats: 3-1, 1.59 ERA
Please note that Buchholz is considered every bit as good as Phil Hughes.
That would be a great rotation in any era, in this day and age it's simply phenomenal.

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