Pilgrim's Pride gets reprieve

Rob wrote:

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Well I passed tons of loaded chicken trucks running into Mt. Pleasant today so I don't believe they are going out of business anytime soon. Don't get too excited yet. A judgement means nothing today. An appeal can overturn it. A check in the hand, that has been cashed, is what is reality. Anything less is fiction. If people do not like making $10 or $15 dollars an hour where they are working and they think they can make more than they need to go to the job that pays more. Either they lack the skills to earn more money or they are just too lazy to get out of their comfort zone and therefore deserve what they get. If you all think these people are worth so much more than hire them. It's easy to spout off "what you think should happen," but in reality your type of thinking is why there are unions and other sorts of organizations that put the U.S. into the position that our products cannot compete with foreign competition. Union workers all make high wages, have insurance and retirement, but the products they make are so padded with the costs of this we cannot sell them. Have you never taken a business class in college or owned a small business? I run a fairly large pizza business out here and your thinking would bankrupt me. No wonder there are hundreds of meaningless comments on this site. Stop thinking like employees and start thinking like a business owner where you have to make a profit to stay in business and you will see that all your $$$ padding will put you into a 3 month ownership of a business. Because at the end of three months you are broke.

As I am not in the restaurant buisness, and don't know the dynamics of that buisness, it would be a foolish thing for me to dare offer business advise, or attempt to try and school you in said business enterprise. I have taken business courses in college, and do know that one dynamic that will work for some businesses, will not work for other businesses. For you to continue to attempt to "school" the farmers in a business that they know well, will most assuredly show nothing but your ignorance of this business, just as if I attempted to "school" you in your business. It will be interesting to see if your ignorance turns into stupidity, but time will tell. It is not fiction that a Federal Court Justice reviewed the facts, the majority of which are hard evidence from Pilgrims own internal documents, that proved their intent, and their actions. While this possible appeal is bothersome, it will most of us believe, only prolong Pilgirms illegal actions in the public spotlight, and once the justices in New Orleans review it, we are confident that this very prudent finding will be upheld. You have decieved yourself if you think that we farmers are counting our money, and spending it before we get it. The money may never materialize, but fight on we will. The nay sayers never thought we would get this far, but we had faith, and hope, and we still do more than ever. Your attempt at connecting us with Unions is however very bothersome. The majority of Farmers are indepentent, and very much against Union's, and Union theology. We have come together corporately, against a common entity, and for a greater good, but we are still independent of one another, each having our own case. If ours had not been a just cause, we would never have pursued it. If you knew these farmers, then you would know this truth. I wish you well with your restaurant business, and hope you can find, and keep good employees, who treat you right, and who you will treat right, it is a two way street. Pilgrims forgot this principle. I hope you don't.

Just a foot note. In reviewing what I wrote in the previous post, I feel it necessary that I clarify a point. We never were Pilgrims Pride employees, we had our own indepentent businesses. Pilgrims was quick to call us "partners" when it was useful to them, and didn't know us when it became otherwise. However, when I first became a poultry farmer, we had more assurances in writing, or we would never have gotten into the business.

I would imagine because of the closure of the Dallas facality in which 1,000 workers were terminated has something to do with all those chicken trucks rolling into Mt. Pleasant. Wouldn't you think so? The fact that Pilgrim's Pride has continued to scale back and other integrators seem to be expanding is what gives credence to the "rumor" that JBS is cashing out like OLD Bo did. I was in Mt. Pleasant about two weeks ago and went into a pizza place, I think it was the only one in that town, and noticed most of your customers were speaking Spanish. I can understand your defense of this company because without Pilgrim's Pride and it's employees you would have no business. No wonder you a quick to defend them.

old chicken farmer wrote:

I would imagine because of the closure of the Dallas facality in which 1,000 workers were terminated has something to do with all those chicken trucks rolling into Mt. Pleasant. Wouldn't you think so? The fact that Pilgrim's Pride has continued to scale back and other integrators seem to be expanding is what gives credence to the "rumor" that JBS is cashing out like OLD Bo did. I was in Mt. Pleasant about two weeks ago and went into a pizza place, I think it was the only one in that town, and noticed most of your customers were speaking Spanish. I can understand your defense of this company because without Pilgrim's Pride and it's employees you would have no business. No wonder you a quick to defend them.

You guys try to associate everything except the truth. The Dallas facility closed sometime back. There are alot of area farms out here, so I would imagine they are coming from them. whatever the reason, business is sitll occuring. Did not say I had a place in Mt. Pleasant and no there are not that many spanish speaking people in my business. The ones that do come in I would say have been here for years and are legal. You "christian" farmers are good at racial profiling. I guess if we were talking about the cotton field we would be talking about blacks and if the railroads the chinese. As long as people are in this country legally and working to support themselves I have no gripe with anyone. It's a shame you did not learn some of this in church today.

Rob wrote:

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You guys try to associate everything except the truth. The Dallas facility closed sometime back. There are alot of area farms out here, so I would imagine they are coming from them. whatever the reason, business is sitll occuring. Did not say I had a place in Mt. Pleasant and no there are not that many spanish speaking people in my business. The ones that do come in I would say have been here for years and are legal. You "christian" farmers are good at racial profiling. I guess if we were talking about the cotton field we would be talking about blacks and if the railroads the chinese. As long as people are in this country legally and working to support themselves I have no gripe with anyone. It's a shame you did not learn some of this in church today.

Let's see. So far you have attempted to draw association of unions to the farmers, which is a Saul Alinsky tactic. Then you attack and attempt to discredit the farmer as a racist, another Saul Alinsky tactic, then you attack his supposed faith, and seek to cast dispersions on it, another Saul Alinsky tactic. Why are you working so hard to try and discredit, or smear any conversation, or potential useful information, that may affect the farmers. Do you have something at stake in this that we are not aware? Do you not realize that if Pilgrims does fold, that there are others,just waiting to take up the slack, and there will more than likely, be little more than a hickup in the economies surrounding Mt. Pleasant. Pilgrims and its managers have brought all this on themselves, and the communities in which they are located, and not the farmers. The farmers are victims in this as are the surrounding communities.

Rob wrote:

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You guys try to associate everything except the truth. The Dallas facility closed sometime back. There are alot of area farms out here, so I would imagine they are coming from them. whatever the reason, business is sitll occuring. Did not say I had a place in Mt. Pleasant and no there are not that many spanish speaking people in my business. The ones that do come in I would say have been here for years and are legal. You "christian" farmers are good at racial profiling. I guess if we were talking about the cotton field we would be talking about blacks and if the railroads the chinese. As long as people are in this country legally and working to support themselves I have no gripe with anyone. It's a shame you did not learn some of this in church today.

Actually I was mistaken about that pizza place being in Mt. Pleasant, it was in Winnsboro. And the remark made about the Spanish speaking people wasn't racial but rather an observation. I know that even the Pilgrim's Farm trucks that go around and do farm labor and various farms are driven by people that can't speak English. And it is a FACT that Pilgrim's Pride was caught recruiting and hiring undocumented immigrants. Another thing, how long ago was the Dallas plant closed? If it was closed "a long time ago" then why are the newspapers just now reporting it. Look back at the Dallas Morning News. I just talked with a friend of mine that is a attorney in Dallas and he was talking about the closure as if it happened recently. Anyway, the true fact is that if JBS closes it poultry operation it more than likely will adversely impact your business. But there is always the commercial egg plant that is being operated in that area, along with the creamery.

Hell, Obama has impacted everyone's business more than anyone else could ever do. He has destroyed our nation and our economy all in a few short years. We all need to be after Obama. This tit for tat has led nowhere.

Oh please, Obama? It is corporate America that is taking this country on a ride. The American people seems to have gotten a gut full of their crap by evidence of the "occupy Wall Street movement".

If you would think back and remember George W nearly brought this country to the brink of total collapse.

Frank wrote:

Hell, Obama has impacted everyone's business more than anyone else could ever do. He has destroyed our nation and our economy all in a few short years. We all need to be after Obama. This tit for tat has led nowhere.

At last a statement that I can completly agree with. The problem is not with business, it is with the symbotic relationship with the elitist management in corporations, and elitist, career politicians who feed off each other, at the peril of the rest of us. These mega corporations,and those who now occupy our government are trying to grow each other, it is the lust for power that drives them, it intoxicates them, and they are addicted. Until enough of us take a stand, the middle class in this nation will continue to dissappear, and a two class system will be all that is left, the haves, and the have nots. I wish for once people would just stop, back up, and take a real hard look at what is really going on. Sometimes it is hard to see the forest, for the trees. The different moves that business, and government are making, viewed separately, mean very little. But put the puzzle parts together, and the picture becomes more and more clear.

Please allow me to add that if this business, as well as this government were run as they were intended to run, our nation would not be in touble at this time, and China would not own us, nor would JBS own Pilgrims Pride. Greed, and power, is the downfall of these politicians, and these managers, and will be the downfall of us all unless enough of us stand up and fight, as we farmers are, and have. From the socialists disguised as hippies, who are working to destroy this nation, so that they can remake it into an image that they want, to blind lemmings who believe anything on msnbc, our nation is in dire straits. It is amazing how many people in this nation allow others, who are seeming authorities, to blindly lead them without question. People need to pull their heads out of the sand, look around, and use those heads for more than hat stands. 50 years of socialistic infiltration into classrooms, industry, politics, and government has now lead to a sever dumbing down of Americans. No one works harder than small family farmers who seek the American dream, and they should be applauded for fighting for that dream, and not condemned. No farmer that I know wants anything he, or she did not work for. We must rid the business system of the crooks, we must rid the political system of the crooks, we must look at each of our intents, and do something that most of us refuse to do, judge our own intentions, actions, and see if we are treating others as we want to be treated. I never ask anyone to do anything that I would not do myself.

Does this sound like a government bail out? Sounds like Obamaism to me.

Lets hope that the government stays out of this, and does not deem Pilgrims too big to fail. I do believe that they are a government food contractor. If the government gets involved, it needs to be through the Justice Department, with arrest warrants for the crooks at Pilgrims. I hope they pursue the evidence that our lawyers dug up, and prosecute any and all who were involved in this illegal scheme.

I think I watched this episode on the X-Files tonight. LOL

Very often fact is stranger than fiction.

bankruptfarmer wrote:

Lets hope that the government stays out of this, and does not deem Pilgrims too big to fail. I do believe that they are a government food contractor. If the government gets involved, it needs to be through the Justice Department, with arrest warrants for the crooks at Pilgrims. I hope they pursue the evidence that our lawyers dug up, and prosecute any and all who were involved in this illegal scheme.

Now I think you know how I have felt about this case all the time. You the farmers wanted the Government involved, that is why you went to Federal Court. Since you have won this phase Bankruptfarmer you can't tell them who to prosecute and what agency you want to do so. If it was left up to Pilgrim it would have been tried in Pittsburg and you know what would have happen. You got to remember Texas has a Justice Department, try it out and see how do you like it compared to the Federal level. Have a GREAT DAY. We all in NEW ENGLAND was so HAPPY, HAPPY to hear about the results of the case on Pilgrim.

The farmers may not recieve any justice for what has been heaped on their, and their communities heads, but that does not mean that we will not pursue justice. In the end, no matter what, all the evil that anyone heaps on another will be returned with interest to those who served it up. It is God's law, and as such will come to pass, believe it or not, it will still come to pass.

Had a lawsuit 1.5 years to get to court all top lawyers tied in with pilgrims and banks conflict of intrest Texas judges in my opinion corrupt or paid off by good ole uncle bo! The only way to get bo is boycott his product buy land around him and grow game chickens he will pay you price.hurt the s.o.b.s anyway you can legally. That's what they did to u and yours.

You guys have got to get on with your lives and stop living in the past. This is old news. An attorney once told me that, "he whom has the most money and connections will win." Bo can do circles around all of you forever. I don't agree with either side 100%, but I do know that you are going nowhere fast here. One posting said you won in court. You won what? No one has received anything and you never will. Pick up the pieces and move on. Start over. Chalk it all up to a business education.

Casper wrote:

You guys have got to get on with your lives and stop living in the past. This is old news. An attorney once told me that, "he whom has the most money and connections will win." Bo can do circles around all of you forever. I don't agree with either side 100%, but I do know that you are going nowhere fast here. One posting said you won in court. You won what? No one has received anything and you never will. Pick up the pieces and move on. Start over. Chalk it all up to a business education.

Easy for you to say, doofus. Most of us were left without pieces to pick up. By your reasoning, anyone can do wrong as long as they can drag out the legal process so the actual crime becomes "old news". Nice.