Armenian song strikes sour note in Azerbaijan

You can't even vote for an Armenian song in Azerbaijan and they want us and the rest of the world to believe that they will grand security to Armenians if Armenians give up Artsakh (Karabakh) to them.

Relax wrote:

You can't even vote for an Armenian song in Azerbaijan and they want us and the rest of the world to believe that they will grand security to Armenians if Armenians give up Artsakh (Karabakh) to them.

It is not up to you,(or others armenian to give or not to give Karabagh back, but Russia and US) so S T F U!!!!!

azeriana wrote:

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It is not up to you,(or others armenian to give or not to give Karabagh back, but Russia and US) so S T F U!!!!!

This is where you are so wrong! It is up to us and we already have taken it so you STFU!

azeriana wrote:

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It is not up to you,(or others armenian to give or not to give Karabagh back, but Russia and US) so S T F U!!!!!

azeris forget how it was the russians who forced Armenia to sign a ceasefire, they forget how the russians also supported them and that is the only reason why they are still around.

Cockiness, cockiness and 100 times cockiness just because of single military victory in Karabakh, oh yes!! russians saved us otherwise armens were going to wipe off Azeris from the earth..lol..
It was russians, ukranians and other CIS mersenaries who helped Armenia to win I Karabakh war..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Zinevich

Uzun Hasan wrote:

Cockiness, cockiness and 100 times cockiness just because of single military victory in Karabakh, oh yes!! russians saved us otherwise armens were going to wipe off Azeris from the earth..lol..
It was russians, ukranians and other CIS mersenaries who helped Armenia to win I Karabakh war..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Zinevich

and it were the Afghan Mujhadeen, Chechen, Russian, Ukrainian, Talish, Lezgins, etc. who lost the war for Azerbaijan.

http://ermeni.org/english/chechen-terrorists-...
http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/azerbaijan...

gago187 wrote:

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and it were the Afghan Mujhadeen, Chechen, Russian, Ukrainian, Talish, Lezgins, etc. who lost the war for Azerbaijan.
http://ermeni.org/english/chechen-terrorists-...
http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/azerbaijan...

talish and lezgi are citizens of Azerbajcan. What about armenians from Syria, and now kurds from PKK, in Karabagh?

azeriana wrote:

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talish and lezgi are citizens of Azerbajcan. What about armenians from Syria, and now kurds from PKK, in Karabagh?

they were forced to fight in the war

http://en.zhamanak.com/article/860/

The appeal claimed that the leadership of the newly independent Azerbaijan Republic then embarked on the systematic annihilation of the three ethnic groups (Avars, Tsakhurs, and Lezgins), sending "tens of thousands" of young men to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh, of whom "thousands" were killed.

the kurds did not fight in the war and incase a new war breaks out will not fight. What about the Armenians from Syria? they are Armenians and are welcome anywhere in Armenia.

gago187 wrote:

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they were forced to fight in the war
http://en.zhamanak.com/article/860/
The appeal claimed that the leadership of the newly independent Azerbaijan Republic then embarked on the systematic annihilation of the three ethnic groups (Avars, Tsakhurs, and Lezgins), sending "tens of thousands" of young men to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh, of whom "thousands" were killed.
the kurds did not fight in the war and incase a new war breaks out will not fight. What about the Armenians from Syria? they are Armenians and are welcome anywhere in Armenia.

Talyshes, Lezgies and minorities are citizens of Azerbaijan , they were no forced to fight for Karabakh, on the contrary as the country of their residence involved in the war , they had to fight, and they did it with hounor!!!
The info that you present is just another false info spreaded by armenian media, as usual they try to seed a conflict between Azeries and minorities living in Azerbaijan..
What a childesh statement you make by saying that Kurds did not fight in Karabakh, all ethnic groups are our brothers (Talyshies, Lezgins, Avars, Kurds etc.)and they fought for their country, we all have one country -motherland-Azerbaijan and we all have to fight for it when we have to do so...
in the meantime I will ask you not to spread any false that may bring you disrespect,first you need to beileve that not all infos that published by your Dashnak media is true,if you manage to do so , good for you...

false info

Uzun Hasan wrote:

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Talyshes, Lezgies and minorities are citizens of Azerbaijan , they were no forced to fight for Karabakh, on the contrary as the country of their residence involved in the war , they had to fight, and they did it with hounor!!!
The info that you present is just another false info spreaded by armenian media, as usual they try to seed a conflict between Azeries and minorities living in Azerbaijan..
What a childesh statement you make by saying that Kurds did not fight in Karabakh, all ethnic groups are our brothers (Talyshies, Lezgins, Avars, Kurds etc.)and they fought for their country, we all have one country -motherland-Azerbaijan and we all have to fight for it when we have to do so...
in the meantime I will ask you not to spread any false that may bring you disrespect,first you need to beileve that not all infos that published by your Dashnak media is true,if you manage to do so , good for you...

so according to you every news coming out of Armenia is Dashnak media? also can you show evidence of Kurds fighting with Armenia against the Azeris? It was the Armenians and Russians against the Azeris, Afghans, Cechens, Russians, and other Soviet country mercenaries. I showed you an interview done by Basayev with an Azeri tv station where he talks about fighting in the war. i have a research article where the author talks about the Afghans helping the Azeris in the war.

May 7, 1991: Joint attacks by Soviet and Azerbaijani OMON (Interior Ministry police special forces) succeed in overrunning the villages of Getashen and Martunashen. Armenians there are ethnically cleansed, and 53 prisoners are taken to nearby Ganja. Some of the prisoners are eventually released as part of a swap after Armenian fighters manage to capture 16 Russian soldiers. BBC, 5/22/91

May 13, 1991: Soviet Fourth Army troops surround the village of Aragiul. As a pretext for the mass deportation of the village’s 233 Armenians, Azerbaijani special forces arrive to check residence papers and search for armed Armenian militants. Newsday, 5/28/91

BBC and Newsday talk about the Soviets helping the Azeriis take land. Where is your evidence?

gago187 wrote:

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so according to you every news coming out of Armenia is Dashnak media? also can you show evidence of Kurds fighting with Armenia against the Azeris? It was the Armenians and Russians against the Azeris, Afghans, Cechens, Russians, and other Soviet country mercenaries. I showed you an interview done by Basayev with an Azeri tv station where he talks about fighting in the war. i have a research article where the author talks about the Afghans helping the Azeris in the war.
May 7, 1991: Joint attacks by Soviet and Azerbaijani OMON (Interior Ministry police special forces) succeed in overrunning the villages of Getashen and Martunashen. Armenians there are ethnically cleansed, and 53 prisoners are taken to nearby Ganja. Some of the prisoners are eventually released as part of a swap after Armenian fighters manage to capture 16 Russian soldiers. BBC, 5/22/91
May 13, 1991: Soviet Fourth Army troops surround the village of Aragiul. As a pretext for the mass deportation of the village’s 233 Armenians, Azerbaijani special forces arrive to check residence papers and search for armed Armenian militants. Newsday, 5/28/91
BBC and Newsday talk about the Soviets helping the Azeriis take land. Where is your evidence?

If it is true, about Russia helping both sides in that war, are we made fool of our selfs. So real issue is not Karabagh but preventing Armenia and Azerbaijan from being free and independent, and keep them busy fighting each other.

azeriana wrote:

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If it is true, about Russia helping both sides in that war, are we made fool of our selfs. So real issue is not Karabagh but preventing Armenia and Azerbaijan from being free and independent, and keep them busy fighting each other.

its is true. Most of the soviet countries had soldiers in need of money and went where ever they could get paid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

thats a video of the Russians fighting for Azerbaijan

gago187 wrote:

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so according to you every news coming out of Armenia is Dashnak media? also can you show evidence of Kurds fighting with Armenia against the Azeris? It was the Armenians and Russians against the Azeris, Afghans, Cechens, Russians, and other Soviet country mercenaries. I showed you an interview done by Basayev with an Azeri tv station where he talks about fighting in the war. i have a research article where the author talks about the Afghans helping the Azeris in the war.
May 7, 1991: Joint attacks by Soviet and Azerbaijani OMON (Interior Ministry police special forces) succeed in overrunning the villages of Getashen and Martunashen. Armenians there are ethnically cleansed, and 53 prisoners are taken to nearby Ganja. Some of the prisoners are eventually released as part of a swap after Armenian fighters manage to capture 16 Russian soldiers. BBC, 5/22/91
May 13, 1991: Soviet Fourth Army troops surround the village of Aragiul. As a pretext for the mass deportation of the village’s 233 Armenians, Azerbaijani special forces arrive to check residence papers and search for armed Armenian militants. Newsday, 5/28/91
BBC and Newsday talk about the Soviets helping the Azeriis take land. Where is your evidence?

Having two-three chechen or other nationalities to fight in Karabakh doesn't prove you claim as if you did not fight against Azeries, and only russians or other nationalisties fought in Karabakh, this completely wrong, how many mercenaries fought for Azerbaijan ? 100-200 ? and do you know that more than 20000 we lost in the war?
We lost the war not because of armenians are fighting better, we lost the war just because every each dick head in Azerbaijan wanted to become president, and all these conflict within our country were created by Russia to have Azerbaijan weakened and grab our oil wells...and they succeeded in that!!
Remember as we started fighting(Goronboy operation), we almost regained the control over 40% of Karabakh territory...
All those could not fight as good as Azeries as the driving force behined them was "Money"..

Uzun Hasan wrote:

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Having two-three chechen or other nationalities to fight in Karabakh doesn't prove you claim as if you did not fight against Azeries, and only russians or other nationalisties fought in Karabakh, this completely wrong, how many mercenaries fought for Azerbaijan ? 100-200 ? and do you know that more than 20000 we lost in the war?
We lost the war not because of armenians are fighting better, we lost the war just because every each dick head in Azerbaijan wanted to become president, and all these conflict within our country were created by Russia to have Azerbaijan weakened and grab our oil wells...and they succeeded in that!!
Remember as we started fighting(Goronboy operation), we almost regained the control over 40% of Karabakh territory...
All those could not fight as good as Azeries as the driving force behined them was "Money"..

well Basayev said in his interview there were a few thousand Chechens fighting in the war. And according to
The Mujahedin in Nagorno-Karabakh: A Case Study in the Evolution of Global Jihad (WP) by Michael Taarnby

According to Caucasus expert Thomas de Waal, Azerbaijan recruited between 1.500 and 2.500 Afghan Mujahedin. Officially they did not exist, and the Azeri government denied their presence. However, the sightings of out-of-place bearded and long-haired tribesmen in downtown Baku, some of whom wore traditional Afghan robes, was so frequent that their existence could not be denied.[7] In 1994 the Afghan President, Burnahuddin Rabbani, said in a letter to the Armenian President, Levon Ter-Petrosian, that ‘the Afghan leadership disapproves the participation of Afghan citizens in activities in Nagorno-Karabakh’.[8] Apparently, the number of Afghans migrating to Transcaucasia was noticed even in an Afghanistan in turmoil.
In 1994 Armenia complained to the UN Rapporteur of the use of mercenaries in the conflict. The fact that plenty of CIS nationals –ie, Russians and Ukrainians– were or had been serving with the Azeri forces seemed a lesser concern. The complaint stated specifically that nationals from Iran, Turkey and Afghanistan had been recruited by Azerbaijan. Here it is prudent to observe that the Turkish nationals mentioned were invited by the Azeri government and acted as instructors, that their number was estimated at several dozen and that there is no indication that they engaged in actual combat. The role of the Iranians remains unknown.

The mercenaries were paid between US$700 and US$1,000 a month. Pilots were paid US$5,000 for each successful mission. The mercenaries were primarily stationed in the village of Tolipar, Djitanov oblast; the village of Selful in Shamkhor oblast; between Kucho and Mingechaur oblasts; and, finally, in the town of Ali-Bayram. They were serving in the 860th and 723rd motorised rifle brigades, and others, presumably Russian specialists, in the air force, artillery units and the security service. The letter stated that the Afghan Mujahedin were heavily involved in the fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the estimate ran up to a tremendous 3,000 persons. Interestingly, the report said that the Afghans were engaged in ‘special tasks’, meaning punitive operations against Azeri deserters, due to their sense of discipline, or rather lack of it.

At the time the complaint was filed to the UN, only one Afghan national had been captured alive. His name was Bakhtiar Verbole Baberzai and although other sources have used the alternative spelling of Bakhtiyar Verballah Vaberzaid, the person in question is one and the same. Baberzai was born in 1974 in Afghanistan and was a resident of Mouzari Sherif village. He had served as an officer in the Azeri army from April 1994 and was captured on 20 April 1994. According to information revealed to his captors he had been fighting with the Afghan Uzbek warlord Dostum’s army from the age of 12. Baberzai came to Azerbaijan via Iran, and led a small contingent of 20 Mujahedin. During fighting on 22 April he lost and eye in combat and was taken prisoner on the Karabakh front by an unidentified Armenian unit.[10] The prisoner further said that he fought for money to support his family, but complained that of the promised pay of up to US$5,000 upon completion of his contract, he had only received token handouts amounting to a few dollars. He had fought together with a larger group of Mujaheddin of about 250 fighters.

The most significant evidence, however, originated from the battlefields in Nagorno-Karabakh. Documents captured from Mujahedin killed during the fighting in south-western Azerbaijan provided evidence that Afghan Mujahedin had indeed been hired and were directly involved in frontline activity.[11] The documents included Islamic literature printed in Afghanistan, personal notebooks, tactical charts on artillery positions and personal letters to addresses in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as well as personal photographs of Afghan Mujahedin at locations within Azerbaijan. The documents were primarily in Dari, but also in Pashto, both Afghan languages unrelated to Azeri. Some of the documents wore the letterheads of the Scientific Islamic Society of Afghanistan and the Ministry of Education of the Islamic State of Afghanistan. Many of the names listed in the documents were of typical Afghan or Pakistani origin.

Having confirmed the presence of a substantial number of primarily Afghan Mujahedin in Nagorno-Karabakh, further inquiry into the circumstances of their involvement is required. The following topics have been identified to highlight specifics elements: recruitment, training and combat.

here are the sources
[7] Thomas de Waal, Black Garden. Armenia and Azerbaijan through Peace and War, New York University Press, New York, 2003.

[8]‘Afghan Wild Goose in a Karabakh Cage’, Moscow News, nr 23, 5-12 June 1994.

[9] Letter dated 21 December 1994 from the Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Armenia addressed to the Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights on the Question of the use of Mercenaries. Available at http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/...50-390...

[10]‘Afghan Wild Goose in a Karabakh Cage’, op. cit.

[11] Daniel Sneider,‘Afghan Fighters Joined Azeri-Armenia’, Christian Science Monitor, 16 November 1993.

there is more to the article if your interested, i can paste the whole article

Mercenaries were fighting for both sides, about a.Zynevyevich i have already posted a link and now here are some infos more:
Meanwhile extensive cases of mercenaries fighting on Armenia’s side are well noted by Enrique Bernales Ballesteros, the UN Special Rapporteur on Mercenaries (see: Report of the Special Rapporteur on the Question of the Use of Mercenaries E/CN.4/1994/23). Here is an excerpt:

"(a) On 26 January 1992, a French mercenary was killed during an Azerbaijani
attack on the village of Karin-Tak, near Stepanakert;

(b) In February 1992, a foreign mercenary fighting with the Armenian
self-defence forces was killed in the attack on the Azerbaijani town of
Khojaly;

(c) From 12 to 14 June 1992, nine foreign mercenaries fighting in the
Armenian forces were killed in the battles around Askeran;

(d) On 1 July 1992, the commander of a battalion of the self-defence forces of Azerbaijan, stated to the Turan News Agency that, in a battle in the Mardakert region, a foreign mercenary who had sided with the Armenian National Army was killed;

(e) On 1 June 1993, six former Russian soldiers [members of elite Spetsnaz
forces] were captured in action, after reportedly carrying out subversive operations in Nagorny Karabakh. According to the information received, they were recruited by Russian officers to train Armenian units in Nagorny Karabakh after their Russian units in Armenia had been dissolved and they had been discharged. They were reportedly convicted as mercenaries;

(f) It is reported that foreign mercenaries working for payment for the
Nagorny Karabakh and the Armenian forces, but also for the Azerbaijani forces, have shelled houses, hospitals and churches, looted and burned houses, and intentionally terrorized and forced the civilian population out of villages, by killing and wounding civilians, including women and children,and by taking civilian hostages;"

It was also mentioned by Human rights as well:
Azerbaijan: Nagorno Karabakh

Armed conflict in and around Nagorno Karabakh, an Armenian- majority enclave located within the territory of Azerbaijan, has been the bloodiest of the armed conflicts. It began in 1988 and escalated dramatically in 1992, causing hundreds of civilian deaths and creating 256,000 refugees, according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (unhrc). In 1992 the conflict grew far more lethal as both sides-the Azerbaijani National Army and free-lance militias fighting along with it, and ethnic Armenians and mercenaries fighting in the Popular Liberation Army of Artsakh-began using missile systems, armed personnel carriers, heavy artillery and comparable conventional weapons (all readily available through a very active and lucrative private arms market) and brought the armed conflict to a new, vicious intensity. The lack of any restraining force after the collapse of the Soviet Union accelerated the conflict. The conflict became a pivotal factor in the internal politics of both Armenia and Azerbaijan, intensifying nationalist rhetoric and hardening Azerbaijan's resolve to end the conflict through combat.
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1993/WR93/H...

gago187 wrote:

At the time the complaint was filed to the UN, only one Afghan national had been captured alive. His name was Bakhtiar Verbole Baberzai and although other sources have used the alternative spelling of Bakhtiyar Verballah Vaberzaid, the person in question is one and the same. Baberzai was born in 1974 in Afghanistan and was a resident of Mouzari Sherif village. He had served as an officer in the Azeri army from April 1994 and was captured on 20 April 1994. According to information revealed to his captors he had been fighting with the Afghan Uzbek warlord Dostum’s army from the age of 12. Baberzai came to Azerbaijan via Iran, and led a small contingent of 20 Mujahedin. During fighting on 22 April he lost and eye in combat and was taken prisoner on the Karabakh front by an unidentified Armenian unit.[10] The prisoner further said that he fought for money to support his family, but complained that of the promised pay of up to US$5,000 upon completion of his contract, he had only received token handouts amounting to a few dollars. He had fought together with a larger group of Mujaheddin of about 250 fighters.
The most significant evidence, however, originated from the battlefields in Nagorno-Karabakh. Documents captured from Mujahedin killed during the fighting in south-western Azerbaijan provided evidence that Afghan Mujahedin had indeed been hired and were directly involved in frontline activity.[11] The documents included Islamic literature printed in Afghanistan, personal notebooks, tactical charts on artillery positions and personal letters to addresses in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as well as personal photographs of Afghan Mujahedin at locations within Azerbaijan. The documents were primarily in Dari, but also in Pashto, both Afghan languages unrelated to Azeri. Some of the documents wore the letterheads of the Scientific Islamic Society of Afghanistan and the Ministry of Education of the Islamic State of Afghanistan. Many of the names listed in the documents were of typical Afghan or Pakistani origin.
Having confirmed the presence of a substantial number of primarily Afghan Mujahedin in Nagorno-Karabakh, further inquiry into the circumstances of their involvement is required. The following topics have been identified to highlight specifics elements: recruitment, training and combat.
here are the sources
[7] Thomas de Waal, Black Garden. Armenia and Azerbaijan through Peace and War, New York University Press, New York, 2003.
[8]‘Afghan Wild Goose in a Karabakh Cage’, Moscow News, nr 23, 5-12 June 1994.
[9] Letter dated 21 December 1994 from the Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Armenia addressed to the Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights on the Question of the use of Mercenaries. Available at http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/...50-390...
[10]‘Afghan Wild Goose in a Karabakh Cage’, op. cit.
[11] Daniel Sneider,‘Afghan Fighters Joined Azeri-Armenia’, Christian Science Monitor, 16 November 1993.
there is more to the article if your interested, i can paste the whole article

Your information sources are mostly unreliable. The stories and articles you reffered to, are not prooved to be true, just because they been published.

Uzun Hasan wrote:

Mercenaries were fighting for both sides, about a.Zynevyevich i have already posted a link and now here are some infos more:
Meanwhile extensive cases of mercenaries fighting on Armenia’s side are well noted by Enrique Bernales Ballesteros, the UN Special Rapporteur on Mercenaries (see: Report of the Special Rapporteur on the Question of the Use of Mercenaries E/CN.4/1994/23). Here is an excerpt:
"(a) On 26 January 1992, a French mercenary was killed during an Azerbaijani
attack on the village of Karin-Tak, near Stepanakert;
(b) In February 1992, a foreign mercenary fighting with the Armenian
self-defence forces was killed in the attack on the Azerbaijani town of
Khojaly;
(c) From 12 to 14 June 1992, nine foreign mercenaries fighting in the
Armenian forces were killed in the battles around Askeran;
(d) On 1 July 1992, the commander of a battalion of the self-defence forces of Azerbaijan, stated to the Turan News Agency that, in a battle in the Mardakert region, a foreign mercenary who had sided with the Armenian National Army was killed;
(e) On 1 June 1993, six former Russian soldiers [members of elite Spetsnaz
forces] were captured in action, after reportedly carrying out subversive operations in Nagorny Karabakh. According to the information received, they were recruited by Russian officers to train Armenian units in Nagorny Karabakh after their Russian units in Armenia had been dissolved and they had been discharged. They were reportedly convicted as mercenaries;
(f) It is reported that foreign mercenaries working for payment for the
Nagorny Karabakh and the Armenian forces, but also for the Azerbaijani forces, have shelled houses, hospitals and churches, looted and burned houses, and intentionally terrorized and forced the civilian population out of villages, by killing and wounding civilians, including women and children,and by taking civilian hostages;"

your quoting an azeri made report which is not reliable in this case, i didnt quote Armenians on the issue of the Chechen's and Afghans. i could have said this:

In 1994 Armenia complained to the UN Rapporteur of the use of mercenaries in the conflict. The fact that plenty of CIS nationals –ie, Russians and Ukrainians– were or had been serving with the Azeri forces seemed a lesser concern. The complaint stated specifically that nationals from Iran, Turkey and Afghanistan had been recruited by Azerbaijan.

Michael Taarnby is not Armenian or Azeri, he quoted from numerous non-Armenian, non-Azeri sources