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Garry
Toronto, Canada
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Why isn't Azerbaijan annexed to Iran, same language, religion, people.
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Tom
Birmingham, UK
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In Azerbaijan they speak Azeri, which is a Turkic langauge. So no Azeris and Iranians dont speak the same langauge. Infact in Iran it is estimated that between 25% to 50% of the people speak various Turkic langauges. So does that mean the areas in which they dominate should be annexed to Turkey or some other Turkic country? NO.
Also the Azeris are culturally Turkish.
In that region of the world people are ethnically diverse and your statement about the Azeris and Iranians being the same people is boarding on insanity.
In Iran alone there are many many different ethnicities of peoples. Azerbaijan also has many different ethnic groups of people as well.
Why do people in the west try and cause problems for the people in the middle east?
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Garry
Toronto, Canada
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Judged:
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Tom wrote: In Azerbaijan they speak Azeri, which is a Turkic langauge. So no Azeris and Iranians dont speak the same langauge. Infact in Iran it is estimated that between 25% to 50% of the people speak various Turkic langauges. So does that mean the areas in which they dominate should be annexed to Turkey or some other Turkic country? NO.
Also the Azeris are culturally Turkish.
In that region of the world people are ethnically diverse and your statement about the Azeris and Iranians being the same people is boarding on insanity.
In Iran alone there are many many different ethnicities of peoples. Azerbaijan also has many different ethnic groups of people as well.
Why do people in the west try and cause problems for the people in the middle east? The majority of Azeri speaking people in the world live in Iran. Why can't the Armenian Christians be left alone? Does Azerbaijan need a fight or something?
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Mike
AOL
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AZERBAIJAN SHOULD TALK TO KARABAKH, THE VICTOR.
STOP BLAMING OTHER COUNTREIS FOR YOUR FAILURES.
In 1998 Karabakh was attacked by Azerbaijan. Citizens of Karabakh were being rounded up in fields and churches, and churches were being set on fire. There was a diabolical plan by Azerbaijan.
Naturally Armenians of Karabakh, Karabakh, exercized their right to defend themselves, and were successful, successful, successful. They were heroically victorious.
NOW GO TALK TO KARABAKH THE VICTOR. Stop blaming other countries for your failures.
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Samoxin
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Any new war started by turks will end up with more looses from turks side and more liberated lands from Armenia side.
One of the goals of Artzakh Armenians were to liberate the REST of Artzakh, the entire eastern province of Gandzak. Our army was only 45 km far from today’s Gyanja (former Kirovabad and original Gandzak) Armenians were advancing to Gandzak direction every day, toward north and in Hadrut, toward south. In Azeri so-called “republic” there was a full anarchy of local and state governments. Week before the cease fire agreement in Baky metro was bombed with huge number of casualties. This made everyone feel panic in Azeri so-called state. They “force” Russians with Turkey and UE to stop any military means for a while which was the cease fire agreement basically. If Russians DID NOT stop Armenians, Armenia could have a direct border with Russia, today, through Daghstan region of south Russia at the Gandzak edge. So, if turks start this new war WE WILL solve more problems in our favor. Lets see.
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Peka
Gyor, Hungary
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Samoxin wrote: Any new war started by turks will end up with more looses from turks side and more liberated lands from Armenia side.
One of the goals of Artzakh Armenians were to liberate the REST of Artzakh, the entire eastern province of Gandzak. Our army was only 45 km far from today’s Gyanja (former Kirovabad and original Gandzak) Armenians were advancing to Gandzak direction every day, toward north and in Hadrut, toward south. In Azeri so-called “republic” there was a full anarchy of local and state governments. Week before the cease fire agreement in Baky metro was bombed with huge number of casualties. This made everyone feel panic in Azeri so-called state. They “force” Russians with Turkey and UE to stop any military means for a while which was the cease fire agreement basically. If Russians DID NOT stop Armenians, Armenia could have a direct border with Russia, today, through Daghstan region of south Russia at the Gandzak edge. So, if turks start this new war WE WILL solve more problems in our favor. Lets see. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha r u so naive? or already have driven crazy off armenism. You could never get Gandja..hahaha hey man I am from Gandja. We could all die but never leave it for armenians and stop making me laugh, stop describing the 1st Karabakh War as a WW 2 and armenians as red army. We do not want but we have to start. That is your disease of consciousness that you can not leave withoud being killed at leat once in a century. Direct border with Russia...hahahaha even an avarage Azerbaijani kid of 4-5 years old can not be persuaded by you in this way. You have yorself confessed that you didn't do it, some political internal cyrisis did it. So, now it is time to come back there.Grandsons of Andrianiks passing under between the legs of their enemies in order to survibe can not do anything more. Some years taught us that there is no effect of teaching peace and some other rules of civilization to Armenians, they want to be killed and always live like slaves of Turks,Russians. Wait for us..we are turks that is why we will knock on your doors before coming in.
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Peka
Gyor, Hungary
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Monte M wrote: <quoted text>
Where was this bravado in 1993? Keep laughing Turk...although I sense it's nervous laughter.
Also you said "...I am from Gandja. We could all die...". That's fine by me. hELLO Monte, you are the one in the other forum as well,am I right? Monte, I have asked you a question in the other forum. Could you please answer. It was just for my own clarification. And something concerning your answer: why is it fine with you if we could all die? Theoretically it is fine with you but in reality it can never make you happy as you will not see it. Humanity is very nice...just try to approach it, feel it. We can kill not only for our nation but merely and just for our dignity. But it is not fine for me when somebody,even armenian child dies. We have seen more beauties than the beauty of blood of enemy. and this is the matter of civilization and rules of humanity that not everybody easily comprehends. Think about it..and will be waiting for the answer. Peka
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Lofti
Nijmegen, Netherlands
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urgh you guys need to stop acting like children, why cant armenia just give the territories of azerbaijan back and start working together. nothing hard, we europeans did it and since you guys are also kinda europeans why not follow our footsteps and get this shit over.
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Peka
Gyor, Hungary
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Lofti wrote: urgh you guys need to stop acting like children, why cant armenia just give the territories of azerbaijan back and start working together. nothing hard, we europeans did it and since you guys are also kinda europeans why not follow our footsteps and get this shit over. The problem is that we are not Germans and French...The model that these two nations after the WW2 in Europe was the foundation of modernn EU. The model is basedon the priniple of mutual respect. Theu confess that they do not like each other but,they have to respect each other and the respect will transform the antipathy and hatred into the competition within the community and market economy. If Armenia and Azerbaijan can apply this principle to the region it can be a starting point for the establishment of Caucasian Union that can be a successful sample for small and developing community. But unfortunately nothing is being done in order to achieve anything. We are still not able to conceive that life is worth to live it and we are not able to eliminate,eradicate one another and we have to live together. While Azerbaijani statehood has been developed under the modern nationalism principle and ideology of modernism,Armenian statehood is grounded on the ideology of Dashnaksutun and racist nationalism.Still even if we can not do it and leave it for our children, future generations they will solve it,live together and blame us very much.This can also be compared with France-Germany and the state of their relations in the 19th and first half of the last century. Peka
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ali
London, UK
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Peka wrote: <quoted text>
The problem is that we are not Germans and French...The model that these two nations after the WW2 in Europe was the foundation of modernn EU. The model is basedon the priniple of mutual respect. Theu confess that they do not like each other but,they have to respect each other and the respect will transform the antipathy and hatred into the competition within the community and market economy.
If Armenia and Azerbaijan can apply this principle to the region it can be a starting point for the establishment of Caucasian Union that can be a successful sample for small and developing community.
But unfortunately nothing is being done in order to achieve anything. We are still not able to conceive that life is worth to live it and we are not able to eliminate,eradicate one another and we have to live together. While Azerbaijani statehood has been developed under the modern nationalism principle and ideology of modernism,Armenian statehood is grounded on the ideology of Dashnaksutun and racist nationalism.Still even if we can not do it and leave it for our children, future generations they will solve it,live together and blame us very much.This can also be compared with France-Germany and the state of their relations in the 19th and first half of the last century.
Peka I love you man...when I see your statements so sense-making and bright I become proud of being an Azerbaijani and a Turk. God bless you and God bless Azerbaijan. May God give sense and understanding to Azerbaijan and Turkey's enemies, so we can all live in peace like modern Europeans.
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ali
London, UK
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Tom wrote: In Azerbaijan they speak Azeri, which is a Turkic langauge. So no Azeris and Iranians dont speak the same langauge. Infact in Iran it is estimated that between 25% to 50% of the people speak various Turkic langauges. So does that mean the areas in which they dominate should be annexed to Turkey or some other Turkic country? NO.
Also the Azeris are culturally Turkish.
In that region of the world people are ethnically diverse and your statement about the Azeris and Iranians being the same people is boarding on insanity.
In Iran alone there are many many different ethnicities of peoples. Azerbaijan also has many different ethnic groups of people as well.
Why do people in the west try and cause problems for the people in the middle east? i'm azeri from iran and i believe almost all what you said is absolutely to the point and exact. i might add that we in the caucauses and middle east can and should have minorities living in our countris with no problems, just like swiss, frenc, germans italians, etc.
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Iran Forever
Burke, VA
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Iranian is a political term meaning citizen of Iran...Azeris in Iran are Iranians, since they are citizens of Iran...ethnic Persians, Kurds, Lurs, Bakhtiaris, Baluchis, Turkmens, etc. are all Iranians in that they are citizens of the same country. Iran is a model of coexistence between different ethnic groups...it is a multicultural, multiethnic society and is an inclusive, not an exclusive one. So yes, Azeris in Iran would be Iranians.
That said, Peka, you are talking negatively about what you term "Dashnak mentality", yet you should look at some of the pan-Turanist, pan-Turkist, Bozkurt websites and tell me there is no fanatacism there!
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Iran Forever
Burke, VA
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Tom wrote: In Azerbaijan they speak Azeri, which is a Turkic langauge. So no Azeris and Iranians dont speak the same langauge. Infact in Iran it is estimated that between 25% to 50% of the people speak various Turkic langauges. So does that mean the areas in which they dominate should be annexed to Turkey or some other Turkic country? NO.
Also the Azeris are culturally Turkish.
In that region of the world people are ethnically diverse and your statement about the Azeris and Iranians being the same people is boarding on insanity.
In Iran alone there are many many different ethnicities of peoples. Azerbaijan also has many different ethnic groups of people as well.
Why do people in the west try and cause problems for the people in the middle east? Tom, thank you for respecting the territorial integrity of Iran...just because northern Iran is Azerbaijani-speaking does not mean it should be annexed to the Republic of Azerbaijan. The city of Derbent and Qasimkend in Dagestan are also Azeri-speaking...does that mean they should separate from Dagestan? NO...I am glad you recognize this Tom.
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Iran Forever
Burke, VA
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Tom wrote: In Azerbaijan they speak Azeri, which is a Turkic langauge. So no Azeris and Iranians dont speak the same langauge. Infact in Iran it is estimated that between 25% to 50% of the people speak various Turkic langauges. So does that mean the areas in which they dominate should be annexed to Turkey or some other Turkic country? NO.
Also the Azeris are culturally Turkish.
In that region of the world people are ethnically diverse and your statement about the Azeris and Iranians being the same people is boarding on insanity.
In Iran alone there are many many different ethnicities of peoples. Azerbaijan also has many different ethnic groups of people as well.
Why do people in the west try and cause problems for the people in the middle east? Tom, not everyone who speaks Azerbaijani is Azerbaijani either...my grandmother spoke Azerbaijani as a native language, but she was not from Azerbaijan province but from Hamadan, so she was an Azerbaijani-speaking IRANIAN.
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Mike
AOL
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Azerbaijan should exercise leadership, maturity and intelligence and solve their problems directly with the victor, Nagorno Karabagh.
This is no time for Azerbaijan to be bashfull.
In 1988, Azerbaijan committed aggression against Nagorno Karabagh and dissolved the Soviet Autonomous region status of Karabagh, and their were pogroms against Armenians.
Azerbaijan was defeated by Karabagh autonomous region after Karabagh took control of then Soviet bases in Karabagh and neutralized Azeri aggression.
The reality is Nagorno Karabagh won the 1988 war.
Azerbaijan trying to blame Russia, Armenia, and other countries is engaged in self deception, this indicates lack of sophistication if not lack of intelligence in Azerbaijan, which in turn is wasting time of other countries.
Do come to your senses and address the issue directly.
Stop blaming your failures on other countries, as eventually
you will find out you have to go back to step one and negotiate with Karabagh the victor.
Azerbaijan should be able to carry out dialouge with Nakorno Garabagh if they are so demogratic .
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ayaz
London, UK
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Mike wrote: Azerbaijan should exercise leadership, maturity and intelligence and solve their problems directly with the victor, Nagorno Karabagh.
This is no time for Azerbaijan to be bashfull.
In 1988, Azerbaijan committed aggression against Nagorno Karabagh and dissolved the Soviet Autonomous region status of Karabagh, and their were pogroms against Armenians.
Azerbaijan was defeated by Karabagh autonomous region after Karabagh took control of then Soviet bases in Karabagh and neutralized Azeri aggression.
The reality is Nagorno Karabagh won the 1988 war.
Azerbaijan trying to blame Russia, Armenia, and other countries is engaged in self deception, this indicates lack of sophistication if not lack of intelligence in Azerbaijan, which in turn is wasting time of other countries.
Do come to your senses and address the issue directly.
Stop blaming your failures on other countries, as eventually
you will find out you have to go back to step one and negotiate with Karabagh the victor.
Azerbaijan should be able to carry out dialouge with Nakorno Garabagh if they are so demogratic . azerbaijan defeated by karabach, georgia defeated by abkhazia, moldova defeated by transdniester,.... 50 000 defeat 3, 4, 8 million...I am now a believer in miracles!!!! holy guacamole!!!
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Ali Turkoglu
Kettering, UK
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Samoxin wrote: Any new war started by turks will end up with more looses from turks side and more liberated lands from Armenia side.
One of the goals of Artzakh Armenians were to liberate the REST of Artzakh, the entire eastern province of Gandzak. Our army was only 45 km far from today’s Gyanja (former Kirovabad and original Gandzak) Armenians were advancing to Gandzak direction every day, toward north and in Hadrut, toward south. In Azeri so-called “republic” there was a full anarchy of local and state governments. Week before the cease fire agreement in Baky metro was bombed with huge number of casualties. This made everyone feel panic in Azeri so-called state. They “force” Russians with Turkey and UE to stop any military means for a while which was the cease fire agreement basically. If Russians DID NOT stop Armenians, Armenia could have a direct border with Russia, today, through Daghstan region of south Russia at the Gandzak edge. So, if turks start this new war WE WILL solve more problems in our favor. Lets see. Sammy... as usual you are dreaming and deluding again man!
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Ali Turkoglu
Kettering, UK
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Iran Forever wrote: <quoted text>
Tom, not everyone who speaks Azerbaijani is Azerbaijani either...my grandmother spoke Azerbaijani as a native language, but she was not from Azerbaijan province but from Hamadan, so she was an Azerbaijani-speaking IRANIAN. everybody knows that you don`t know what you are! a confused cretin!
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Ali Turkoglu
Kettering, UK
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Peka wrote: <quoted text>
hELLO Monte, you are the one in the other forum as well,am I right? Monte, I have asked you a question in the other forum. Could you please answer. It was just for my own clarification.
And something concerning your answer: why is it fine with you if we could all die? Theoretically it is fine with you but in reality it can never make you happy as you will not see it. Humanity is very nice...just try to approach it, feel it. We can kill not only for our nation but merely and just for our dignity. But it is not fine for me when somebody,even armenian child dies.
We have seen more beauties than the beauty of blood of enemy. and this is the matter of civilization and rules of humanity that not everybody easily comprehends.
Think about it..and will be waiting for the answer.
Peka Peka you shall wait a very long time for an answer from that confused, diminishing and almost non-existent old man!
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Gershon
Annandale, VA
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ayaz wrote: <quoted text>
azerbaijan defeated by karabach, georgia defeated by abkhazia, moldova defeated by transdniester,.... 50 000 defeat 3, 4, 8 million...I am now a believer in miracles!!!! holy guacamole!!! Yeah, it is pretty embarrasing, isn't it. You can only imagine how bad they'll kick your ass if you attack again.
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