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Did Bala'ami said 'Azerbaijan','Varthan','Khoy' and also 'Azerbaijani borders start' bla-bla-bla?
He must have been graduated in Harward. He new border definition in Xth century. SmarT (with uppercase T at the end) men. By chance did he also said that 'Zanjan' will be renamed to 'Zangezur' in the future and he never seen Armenians around?

Samoxin wrote:

Did Bala'ami said 'Azerbaijan','Varthan','Khoy' and also 'Azerbaijani borders start' bla-bla-bla?
He must have been graduated in Harward. He new border definition in Xth century. SmarT (with uppercase T at the end) men. By chance did he also said that 'Zanjan' will be renamed to 'Zangezur' in the future and he never seen Armenians around?

No, Bal'ami (946-973)(in the 10th century Persian court chronicler of Samanids) did not graduate from Harward but what he did was , translated an abridged version of Tabari's history into Persian..
No , he mentiones about Armenia too..

Historical sources have clearly delineated the historical Azerbaijan as having been situated between the Daylamites of Northern Persia to their east, with the Araxes River as its northernmost limit. The region north/northeast of the Araxes River was known as Arran. This region was variously known as Ardan by the Parthians, as well as Alban/Albania as per the Caucasian designation. Armenian historians cite the region north of the Araxes as “Agvan”,“Agvanak”,“Alvan” or “Alvanak”. The region above the Araxes River has never been known as “Azerbaijan”. Professors Touraj Atabaki and Jalal Matini have listed numerous primary historical sources that provide indisputable evidence of the clear delineation between Arran/Albania and the historical Azerbaijan in Iran. A handful of these include:
Strabo (64/63 BC-23 AD): Cites the people of Iranian Azerbaijan (known as Media Atropatene at the time of Strabo) as Iranians and with Persian as their language. The “Persian” cited by Strabo would have most likely been of the Parthian Pahlavi variety at the time.
Arrian (92-c. 175 AD): The region north of the Araxes River is cited as “Albania” and south of the Araxes as “Media Atropatene”.
The Hodud-ol-Alam Text (10th century AD): Cites the Araxes River as the northern limit of Azerbaijan.
Ibn-Hawqal: Cites the Araxes River as the southern limit of Arran.
Al-Muqaddasi (10th Century AD): Divided Persia into eight regions which include both Azerbaijan and Arran. Defines Arran as being situated between the Caspian Sea and the Araxes River.
Yaqut Al-Hamavi (13th Century AD): Defines Arran and Azerbaijan as distinct territories with the Araxes River forming the boundary between them. Arran defined as north and west of the Araxes, with Azerbaijan to the south of the River.
Borhan-e-Qate (Completed 1632 AD): Aras (Araxes) defined as a river flowing past Tbilisi in Georgia and forming the boundary between Arran and Azerbaijan.
Sassanian emperor, Shapur I (r. 241-270 AD), cited Albania and Media Atropatene as two separate provinces of the Persian Empire. Professor Mark Whittow’s map of Oxford University clearly shows the historically attested distinction between ancient Arran/Albania and the original Azerbaijan in Iran.

One reference that has been almost totally removed from the Republic of Azerbaijan by both Soviet and pan-Turanian activists is Moses of Dasxuranci’s History of the Caucasian Albanians. Originally written in the 10th century AD, this book also reproduced older manuscripts as well. Dasxuranci has made the connection of the Albanians/Arranis to Persia absolutely clear. An example of this is the description of the Sepahbod (Marshall) of Albania and his officers who fought at the Battle of Qadissiyah in 637 AD, in which the Arabs emerged victorious. Not surprisingly, few of the educated elites in the Republic of Azerbaijan have even heard of Moses of Dasxuranci.

Sheikh Khiyabani was against the Musavat-Rasulzadeh re-invention of Arran/Albania as “Azerbaijan”. The term “Azadistan” was an attempt to disassociate from the actions of Rasulzadeh and his supporters in Baku.

gago187 wrote:

One reference that has been almost totally removed from the Republic of Azerbaijan by both Soviet and pan-Turanian activists is Moses of Dasxuranci’s History of the Caucasian Albanians. Originally written in the 10th century AD, this book also reproduced older manuscripts as well. Dasxuranci has made the connection of the Albanians/Arranis to Persia absolutely clear. An example of this is the description of the Sepahbod (Marshall) of Albania and his officers who fought at the Battle of Qadissiyah in 637 AD, in which the Arabs emerged victorious. Not surprisingly, few of the educated elites in the Republic of Azerbaijan have even heard of Moses of Dasxuranci.
Sheikh Khiyabani was against the Musavat-Rasulzadeh re-invention of Arran/Albania as “Azerbaijan”. The term “Azadistan” was an attempt to disassociate from the actions of Rasulzadeh and his supporters in Baku.

Keep producing B.S guy. If you will go with this speed of production. No body should astonish if after some 70-80 years armenians would argue that we are not immigrants in U.S we came there 13000 years ago from Beringia. That is why armenians are natives in Americas.
Or they could argue that Neil Armstrong (first man that have been in moon) was half-armenian that is why half of the moon should belong to them!

HaciDayi wrote:

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Keep producing B.S guy. If you will go with this speed of production. No body should astonish if after some 70-80 years armenians would argue that we are not immigrants in U.S we came there 13000 years ago from Beringia. That is why armenians are natives in Americas.
Or they could argue that Neil Armstrong (first man that have been in moon) was half-armenian that is why half of the moon should belong to them!

1.) Just because you dont like what you hear doesnt make it BS. You have no answer to what i said so you start to BS. I can see your not as educated as the others.
2.) I have sources which back up what i say.
3.) This is my last response to you because i know you dont know anything because i try to talk to you like a normal person and well you show your true uneducated colors.

gago187 wrote:

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1.) Just because you dont like what you hear doesnt make it BS. You have no answer to what i said so you start to BS. I can see your not as educated as the others.
2.) I have sources which back up what i say.
3.) This is my last response to you because i know you dont know anything because i try to talk to you like a normal person and well you show your true uneducated colors.

Ok my major is not history so it will be nice if i will not envolve to your talks. I just wonna appologuse if i was not kind to you, because you are one of the few people here who prefer to talk without insults. I also will not disterb you any more it will be better for me to study engeneering insted of this debates.
Wish you the best!

HaciDayi wrote:

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Ok my major is not history so it will be nice if i will not envolve to your talks. I just wonna appologuse if i was not kind to you, because you are one of the few people here who prefer to talk without insults. I also will not disterb you any more it will be better for me to study engeneering insted of this debates.
Wish you the best!

forget about it.
Instead of criticizing you shouldve just said why you think what i said was BS.
Good luck with your engineering courses.

gago187 wrote:

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forget about it.
Instead of criticizing you shouldve just said why you think what i said was BS.
Good luck with your engineering courses.

If you read my post carefully , then, you should have known, I mentioned that since kingdom of Albania disappeared ,as a ruling power in their territory , the area of Arran been known as a part of Azerbaijan, either it was mentioned as a province of Azerbaijan .

During Safavid dynasty , the terminology of Arran was entirely replaced by Azerbaijan, and this is not a BS, as you classify in your post.

Uzun Hasan wrote:

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If you read my post carefully , then, you should have known, I mentioned that since kingdom of Albania disappeared ,as a ruling power in their territory , the area of Arran been known as a part of Azerbaijan, either it was mentioned as a province of Azerbaijan .
During Safavid dynasty , the terminology of Arran was entirely replaced by Azerbaijan, and this is not a BS, as you classify in your post.

here is a map from 1856: Karte des Kaukasischen Isthmus
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...
it shows Armenia, it shows Artsakh but it does not show Azerbaijan. It shows Dageshestan, Lesghistan, Georgien. Why would he completely leave Azerbaijan out?

gago187 wrote:

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here is a map from 1856: Karte des Kaukasischen Isthmus
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...
it shows Armenia, it shows Artsakh but it does not show Azerbaijan. It shows Dageshestan, Lesghistan, Georgien. Why would he completely leave Azerbaijan out?

In this map, it shows only khanates of Azerbaijan, we all know that all these areas were known as akhanates of Azerbaijan and the map shows it this way, not a one territory, by the way your country was represented here by Erivan khanate...LOL

i forget this link , check it out, i did not see the name Armenia, only Erivan.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...

Uzun Hasan wrote:

i forget this link , check it out, i did not see the name Armenia, only Erivan.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...

So what are you trying to prove, baboon?

Fair Dinkum wrote:

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So what are you trying to prove, baboon?

As, you are personally lost case for me, therefore, i don't want to prove anything to you..LOL.

Uzun Hasan wrote:

i forget this link , check it out, i did not see the name Armenia, only Erivan.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...

well if you read what it said on the bottom left it says this territory belongs to Russia so i dont know how you got Azerbaijani khanates. Was Tiflis a khanate of Azerbaijan to now?
well in this map you can see Armenia and again no Azerbaijan
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...
plus in the map i had posted earlier Artsakh was written, not Karabakh.

gago187 wrote:

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well if you read what it said on the bottom left it says this territory belongs to Russia so i dont know how you got Azerbaijani khanates. Was Tiflis a khanate of Azerbaijan to now?
well in this map you can see Armenia and again no Azerbaijan
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...
plus in the map i had posted earlier Artsakh was written, not Karabakh.

I don't know what map you are talking about, because the map which i have seen not showing Karabakh name as Artsakh, you know it very well that since Oghuz Turks arrival this area has been known as Karabakh.

The name Armenia is shown in the territory of Turkey too, does it say that during that time these areas belonged to Armenia? Of course, No!

Armenia is historical name of geographical location and you guys need to understand this simple thing that if the name of Armenia is in the map , doesn't prove that Armenians own that area, or that area belonged to Armenia.

Try to distinguish between these two things, Armenia is historical geographical location.
Armenians -the one of the nation who live in caucasus which is part of geographical location-Armenia.
Being armenian is not a proof for you to claim for these lands, because apart from you there have been a lot of other nations living there

gago187 wrote:

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well if you read what it said on the bottom left it says this territory belongs to Russia so i dont know how you got Azerbaijani khanates. Was Tiflis a khanate of Azerbaijan to now?
well in this map you can see Armenia and again no Azerbaijan
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...
plus in the map i had posted earlier Artsakh was written, not Karabakh.

Don't waste any more time with this mammal.

Uzun Hasan wrote:

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Armenia is historical name of geographical location and you guys need to understand this simple thing that if the name of Armenia is in the map , doesn't prove that Armenians own that area, or that area belonged to Armenia.

What a genious! All historians should now rush to polish up their knowledge of history and amend their textbooks. LOL