Chrysler to take over supplier-run Toledo Jeep paint shop

Kvnpolar1 wrote:

<quoted text>Not while they're raising production and getting the cars they need with 2 shifts. By the end of August we'll be making 50 more cars a day between the 2 shifts.
Of course that's the assembly side, no word on Paint or Body as to wether they will keep up as is.

SHAP has a third shift production in BIW, it is only a skeleton shift.

Does Toledo have that at least in BIW?

If it weren't for third shift and early start BIW would never be able to keep up.

are the current wranger employees at the paint shop out of a job on August 17?

How many retires is there in paint working???

adub wrote:

How many retires is there in paint working???

I dont see anywhere here about why the suppiler park was ever built? Can some one explain that. If people were hired at wranger paint before chrysler bought it in 2006 and have worked there ever since what has changed now in 2012 that Jeep Unit wants to get rid of Wranger Paint Unit both belong to UAW Local 12?

guest wrote:

<quoted text> I dont see anywhere here about why the suppiler park was ever built? Can some one explain that. If people were hired at wranger paint before chrysler bought it in 2006 and have worked there ever since what has changed now in 2012 that Jeep Unit wants to get rid of Wranger Paint Unit both belong to UAW Local 12?

Supposedly it was built for convenience. In my mind it's just a NEW version of what we had at the old plant on Central ave. yes, they belong to Local 12, but until recently they were separate co.'s! The co. that owned the Paint shop was ineffective so Chrysler (Fiat) took it over.

kvnpolar1 wrote:

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Supposedly it was built for convenience. In my mind it's just a NEW version of what we had at the old plant on Central ave. yes, they belong to Local 12, but until recently they were separate co.'s! The co. that owned the Paint shop was ineffective so Chrysler (Fiat) took it over.

Not correct when Hayden went bankrupt in 2006 chrysler had to buy the whole buliding and assets in 2006 they never sold the paint shop they have always have owned the building and all equipment. The reason for suppiler park was because chrysler was not going to build another plant for the wranger when the old plant closed. The wranger was to be moved out of Toledo. With the agreement of the suppiler park to be 3 different companys each building there own building and paying for all eqiptment in building the Wranger was to stay in toledo. People who work for Jeep were to get preferal hiring u did not have to have 30 years or be retired to go over to one of the 3 suppilers. As i heard your chairman had a friend who had 28 yrs and was put in job bank and also got to work over there for several years and also got a buyout while in the job bank.

Awhile back Chrysler and the UAW negotiated the supplier park. They first went to laid off workers and offered them jobs at the paint shop which was going to be owned by Haden. They couldn't get anyone to go work over there so they Chrysler and the UAW came up with a plan to offer people with 30 years to retire and go work at the paint shop. Sounded good, the people could get their pension and have a job after they retired and then there would be job openings at jeep for the laid off workers. Shortly after Haden went bankrupt and Chrysler had to buy back the building. They got Magna to manage the plant. So everything was going good until the 2009 bailout and new Chrysler ownership who decided they were not into the whole supplier park. They want everything under one roof. Well that led to the problems we have today. They made an agreement years back and now want to take it all back and not only get rid of the Retirees but also all of the workers who have been hired in since then. The company has told the union that their intentions are to get rid of all 172 employees and would consider hiring them back at a lower wage. The workers there are devastated by the news and just want to support their family. The Retirees have said they will be ok but can't believe they are doing this to the 20,30,40 year olds who are in the process of raising kids. The UAW needs to let the company know this is not how we do business. If it happens here it can happen anywhere.

Guest wrote:

Awhile back Chrysler and the UAW negotiated the supplier park. They first went to laid off workers and offered them jobs at the paint shop which was going to be owned by Haden. They couldn't get anyone to go work over there so they Chrysler and the UAW came up with a plan to offer people with 30 years to retire and go work at the paint shop. Sounded good, the

people could get their pension and have a job
after they retired and then there would be job
openings at jeep for the laid off workers. Shortly
after Haden went bankrupt and Chrysler had to
buy back the building. They got Magna to
manage the plant. So everything was going good
until the 2009 bailout and new Chrysler
ownership who decided they were not into the
whole supplier park. They want everything under
one roof. Well that led to the problems we have
today. They made an agreement years back and
now want to take it all back and not only get rid
of the Retirees but also all of the workers who
have been hired in since then. The company has
told the union that their intentions are to get rid of
all 172 employees and would consider hiring
them back at a lower wage. The workers there
are devastated by the news and just want to
support their family. The Retirees have said they
will be ok but can't believe they are doing this to
the 20,30,40 year olds who are in the process of
raising kids. The UAW needs to let the company
know this is not how we do business. If it
happens here it can happen anywhere.

Thanks for the correction Guest, and you're right, if it can happen here, it can happen anywhere!

Does the UAW really care about the current workers at the paint shop? What happened to the solidarity? Come on Union work for these workers.

Are enough workers from the jeep plant wantng to go overto the paint shop? Maybe they could take a stand for their brothers and sisters and not go over there.

kvnpolar1 wrote:

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Supposedly it was built for convenience. In my mind it's just a NEW version of what we had at the old plant on Central ave. yes, they belong to Local 12, but until recently they were separate co.'s! The co. that owned the Paint shop was ineffective so Chrysler (Fiat) took it over.

I dont know why there cant be 2 different units of Local 12 for the Wranger & TNAP after all St. V's has 3 different units listed on Local 12 website.

I really don't think the people wanting to take the paint shop peoples jobs are going to back them up on keeping their jobs, their more concerned with themselves then trying to help some of the young parents who are supporting their families with this job. They just want someone other then them to suffer then it comes to layoffs.

When Jeep employee are laid off dont they get 90% of their pay? I would be happy with that and help my fellow brothers and sisters out. SOlidarity must not mean jack crap. That's to bad and shame on them.

suebee wrote:

When Jeep employee are laid off dont they get 90% of their pay? I would be happy with that and help my fellow brothers and sisters out. SOlidarity must not mean jack crap. That's to bad and shame on them.

You need to understand that those supplier jobs were Jeep jobs before our union and company agreed to try outsourcing them. Now that the trial period is coming to an end and our current parent company does not like the lack of quality control, those jobs are once again returning to US, from whence they came. While I understand that there are newer employees there with families, understand that we have employees that should have been hired PERMANANTLY many years ago but were denied that. These people have been working as temporary employees off and on for over 11 years, most of the time fulltime/overtime hours with none of the benefits of permanent employees. Imagine working somewhere 11 years and being told that you dont get profit sharing, holiday pay or signing bonuses because you are still temporary? Effed up, right? so while i hear what you are saying, dont assume you know of what you speak unless you know the whole story. We arent being greedy, it about seniority. Hopefully you will all get jobs with Chrysler as they hire in the coming year, AFTER our current laid off employees are given their rightfully owed permanent status.

Well said jpr2 yes 11 years say you start at twentyfive well now your thirysix year old and still no pension.

Then shouldn't the union at that time stood up for those temporary employees and gave them the jobs at the pait shop? I will tell you that the quality control you speak of well your supervisors from CHrysler are the ones inspecting so maybe you need to speak to that issue with CHrysler and who they pick to put on supervison. Chrysler doesn't think twice and yes I mean the whole complex to take the pat one the back when awards for quality, performance, etc. are awarded to the people painting the wrangler. Have you ever wondered that maybe these temporary employees you speak of weren't good enough to hire on as full time and with their performance and work ethic is why they were not offered a fulltime job. I know many people that were hired in as temps within years so maybe those employees you speak of were not good workers. Well jpr2 I know we don't see eye to eye on this issu but as a union brother or sister i would think you would support your fellow union paying member.

jpr2 wrote:

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You need to understand that those supplier jobs were Jeep jobs before our union and company agreed to try outsourcing them. Now that the trial period is coming to an end and our current parent company does not like the lack of quality control, those jobs are once again returning to US, from whence they came. While I understand that there are newer employees there with families, understand that we have employees that should have been hired PERMANANTLY many years ago but were denied that. These people have been working as temporary employees off and on for over 11 years, most of the time fulltime/overtime hours with none of the benefits of permanent employees. Imagine working somewhere 11 years and being told that you dont get profit sharing, holiday pay or signing bonuses because you are still temporary? Effed up, right? so while i hear what you are saying, dont assume you know of what you speak unless you know the whole story. We arent being greedy, it about seniority. Hopefully you will all get jobs with Chrysler as they hire in the coming year, AFTER our current laid off employees are given their rightfully owed permanent status.

The Jobs u r refering to were never going to be Jeep jobs u should read above that Chrysler was going to move the Wranger out of Toledo to a different plant. Chrysler was not going to build thoes plants that the suppilers have built.In order for the suppilers to build thoes plants there was a 15 year agreement withe thoes companys to supply painted Wrangers to wranger trim(jeep). That layed off workers were offered jobs 1st. There r people working at Wranger Paint who were out of work since 2000 who got hired in 2005 at Wranger Paint. Wranger Paint is classifed as a teir 1 plant, what the company wants to do is make it a teir 2 plant, so the people making $28 will be making $15 and change. They also want to do away with Wranger Paint contract and go to lower wages.

jeeper83 wrote:

Well said jpr2 yes 11 years say you start at twentyfive well now your thirysix year old and still no pension.

There are also several people working at Wranger Paint who came over about 1 1/2 years ago that were layed off who have 27 years. They came over just like if they were to go to another Chrysler plant with day 1 plant, 27 yrs for retirement & vacation time.

Jeep Comittee is on the wrangler paint shop's employees side. They do not want them to lose their jobs or wage.

There was a meeting today anybody hear anything?????