Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

Nov 30, 2010 Full story: taintedgreen.com 9,227

Toyota has fallen to GM on the MPG front. The Japanese company continues to lose market.

Full Story
First Prev
of 462
Next Last

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#1 Nov 30, 2010
This is good press.

Judged:

667

667

667

Reply »
Report Abuse Judge it!
Pablo Silvia

Mount Ulla, NC

#2 Nov 30, 2010
I am glad to see the Chevrolet Volt has leaped past the Prius. Toyota got lazy and let others pass it by.
liner

Hicksville, NY

#3 Nov 30, 2010
The Volt leaped past the Prius in window stickers. They ain't sold any cars yet.
Consumer

Columbus, IN

#4 Nov 30, 2010
I love this Volt and I am glad to see it gets better MPG than a Prius.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#5 Nov 30, 2010
The dealers have purchased all of the Volts and production is now increased to meet demand. Only problem is that demand is much heavier than capacity. This is a good problem. You can't hold America back!
liner

Hicksville, NY

#6 Nov 30, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
The dealers have purchased all of the Volts and production is now increased to meet demand. Only problem is that demand is much heavier than capacity. This is a good problem. You can't hold America back!
Agree. Very curious to see how it does out in the world.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#7 Nov 30, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
This is good press.
Let's tell the truth here.

First, no Volts have been sold.
The only stats so far have been mileage---stats determined by notoriously controlled test conditions. We all know how realistic these are.

Second, they will only be sold in 7 states for now.
Only 10,000 volts will be manufactured in the first year.
They will not be available anywhere else in the world for at least a year.

Third, they will be base priced at $41,000--and higher depending on options.
How much fuel economy will it take to amortize the much higher cost for these vehicles?

Last but not least, how many recalls will there be for these newly introduced models--when the begin to see the road?
Anybody wanna guess?
liner

Patchogue, NY

#8 Nov 30, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's tell the truth here.
First, no Volts have been sold.
The only stats so far have been mileage---stats determined by notoriously controlled test conditions. We all know how realistic these are.
Second, they will only be sold in 7 states for now.
Only 10,000 volts will be manufactured in the first year.
They will not be available anywhere else in the world for at least a year.
Third, they will be base priced at $41,000--and higher depending on options.
How much fuel economy will it take to amortize the much higher cost for these vehicles?
Last but not least, how many recalls will there be for these newly introduced models--when the begin to see the road?
Anybody wanna guess?
The marketplace will decide....as it always does. I hope it does well. What doesn't make sense to me is the EPA rating. The Volt gets "96 MPG" and is a plug-in hybrid. The Nissan Leaf is a pure plug-in, doesn't even have a gas tank and it gets "99 MPG". Per gallon of what? I know it's an "equivalent" rating, but I can't see the average person understanding it.
Gm man

Washington, MI

#9 Nov 30, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's tell the truth here.
First, no Volts have been sold.
The only stats so far have been mileage---stats determined by notoriously controlled test conditions. We all know how realistic these are.
Second, they will only be sold in 7 states for now.
Only 10,000 volts will be manufactured in the first year.
They will not be available anywhere else in the world for at least a year.
Third, they will be base priced at $41,000--and higher depending on options.
How much fuel economy will it take to amortize the much higher cost for these vehicles?
Last but not least, how many recalls will there be for these newly introduced models--when the begin to see the road?
Anybody wanna guess?
Volt started being sold today.
Who cares where they are sold, just as long as they are being sold, and will soon reach all 50 states. If anything, real world mileage should be better, long before the volt was introduced I knew much about this kind of gas/electric thing, and they are super efficient in their nature, same thing used in trains and some big ships to be stronger and save on fuel.

Realize I heard this all over the radio today, how there is a HUGE party at Hamtrammak where the volt is made (only the best cars are for here, volt, DTS, and Lucerne), and they said production will start slow, but they are leaving much space so If demand increases, production can increase....BY ALOT if need be.

Also,$41k isnt bad considering what you get, the newest in gas engine, electric engine, battery, and electronic technology. The Volt comes with a much better standard interior than the prius, will be a LOT more reliable (GM engine, combined with electric engine.....i'll be darned if it dosent last 20+ years). The volt was designed to take conditions like any other car, and be able to work, also considering the Prius has an older nickel hydride (??) battery and the volt has a newer, longer lasting, more powerfull lithium-ion battery. The volt is worth the pricetag, not just because of the efficieny, but because its more reliable, and upscale.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#10 Nov 30, 2010
Gm man wrote:
<quoted text>
Volt started being sold today.
Who cares where they are sold, just as long as they are being sold, and will soon reach all 50 states. If anything, real world mileage should be better, long before the volt was introduced I knew much about this kind of gas/electric thing, and they are super efficient in their nature, same thing used in trains and some big ships to be stronger and save on fuel.
Realize I heard this all over the radio today, how there is a HUGE party at Hamtrammak where the volt is made (only the best cars are for here, volt, DTS, and Lucerne), and they said production will start slow, but they are leaving much space so If demand increases, production can increase....BY ALOT if need be.
Also,$41k isnt bad considering what you get, the newest in gas engine, electric engine, battery, and electronic technology. The Volt comes with a much better standard interior than the prius, will be a LOT more reliable (GM engine, combined with electric engine.....i'll be darned if it dosent last 20+ years). The volt was designed to take conditions like any other car, and be able to work, also considering the Prius has an older nickel hydride (??) battery and the volt has a newer, longer lasting, more powerfull lithium-ion battery. The volt is worth the pricetag, not just because of the efficieny, but because its more reliable, and upscale.
Great propaganda, but propaganda nontheless.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#11 Nov 30, 2010
Bloomberg, November 30, 2010

The Volt can drive for 35 miles solely on electric power and an additional 340 miles on the gasoline engine, GM said today in a statement.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimated the Volt's energy use as the equivalent of 93 miles per gallon in electric-only mode and 60 mpg in gasoline-electric driving, In gasoline-only mode, when the battery is drained, the car would get 37 mpg, GM said.

GM fell 23 cents to $33.57 at 10:13 a.m. today in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The shares have gained 1.7 percent from their $33 sale price in an initial public offering earlier this month.
Gm man

Washington, MI

#12 Nov 30, 2010
actually, the Volt can drive 25-50 miles, all depending on how much your foot likes to travel, and what kind of accesories you are using in the car. The volt will be the car the prius wanted to be, safe, reliable, and the volt actually looks like an actual car that people want, not somthing that came out of an elephants rear end.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#13 Nov 30, 2010
Gm man wrote:
actually, the Volt can drive 25-50 miles, all depending on how much your foot likes to travel, and what kind of accesories you are using in the car. The volt will be the car the prius wanted to be, safe, reliable, and the volt actually looks like an actual car that people want, not somthing that came out of an elephants rear end.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Doesn't mean they're always right, nor does it mean they always make sense.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#14 Nov 30, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's tell the truth here.
First, no Volts have been sold.
The only stats so far have been mileage---stats determined by notoriously controlled test conditions. We all know how realistic these are.
Second, they will only be sold in 7 states for now.
Only 10,000 volts will be manufactured in the first year.
They will not be available anywhere else in the world for at least a year.
Third, they will be base priced at $41,000--and higher depending on options.
How much fuel economy will it take to amortize the much higher cost for these vehicles?
Last but not least, how many recalls will there be for these newly introduced models--when the begin to see the road?
Anybody wanna guess?
The dealers have purchased these cars.
Production is now increased. You have old numbers.
You talk about a base price of 41K, who cares? If they can sell it for 41or 50K then so be it.
liner

Hicksville, NY

#15 Dec 1, 2010
Gm man wrote:
<quoted text>
Volt started being sold today.
Who cares where they are sold, just as long as they are being sold, and will soon reach all 50 states. If anything, real world mileage should be better, long before the volt was introduced I knew much about this kind of gas/electric thing, and they are super efficient in their nature, same thing used in trains and some big ships to be stronger and save on fuel.
Realize I heard this all over the radio today, how there is a HUGE party at Hamtrammak where the volt is made (only the best cars are for here, volt, DTS, and Lucerne), and they said production will start slow, but they are leaving much space so If demand increases, production can increase....BY ALOT if need be.
Also,$41k isnt bad considering what you get, the newest in gas engine, electric engine, battery, and electronic technology. The Volt comes with a much better standard interior than the prius, will be a LOT more reliable (GM engine, combined with electric engine.....i'll be darned if it dosent last 20+ years). The volt was designed to take conditions like any other car, and be able to work, also considering the Prius has an older nickel hydride (??) battery and the volt has a newer, longer lasting, more powerfull lithium-ion battery. The volt is worth the pricetag, not just because of the efficieny, but because its more reliable, and upscale.
GM PR couldn't have said it any better.
Whether or not the Volt will be more reliable than the Prius remains to be seen, don't you think?
GM makes crap

Wauconda, IL

#16 Dec 1, 2010
A total PR snowjob at its best for sure.

Too few hybrid Volts will be produced at too high of a price for the average American for the hybrid Volt to be a game changer. The fuel efficiency is a little above average at best. Save your money and buy the plug in Prius. It's more reliable, less expensive and will consistently return the highest fuel economy of all cars in the U.S.

And that's the fact Jack.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#17 Dec 1, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
<quoted text>The dealers have purchased these cars.
Production is now increased. You have old numbers.
You talk about a base price of 41K, who cares? If they can sell it for 41or 50K then so be it.
Complain to Bloomberg---they're the ones publishing those numbers.
Given your somewhat 'biased' track record here, I'll stick with Bloomberg.

That said, I believe the Volt's very high price point makes for a precarious position in the economy car market.
"If" (as you say) they can sell at that price point is a big elephant in their room right now.
Remains to be seen just how serious that "If" will be.

I also agree with GMMC's point about the PR campaign for the Volt.
I think of it as a "Hail Mary" play by GM.
They've certainly gone to the wall on this.
They've gotta be seen to be successful to keep alive, simply because they've still got an uphill fiscal challenge on their hands.
The possibility of another bankruptcy is still there.

Regardless---please understand I wish GM success and longevity.
Debbie

Lincolnton, NC

#18 Dec 1, 2010
We would love to buy a Volt but it is to expensive for us. Hopefully the price will come down because this is a cute and smart car.
Debbie

Lincolnton, NC

#19 Dec 1, 2010
GM makes crap wrote:
A total PR snowjob at its best for sure.
Too few hybrid Volts will be produced at too high of a price for the average American for the hybrid Volt to be a game changer. The fuel efficiency is a little above average at best. Save your money and buy the plug in Prius. It's more reliable, less expensive and will consistently return the highest fuel economy of all cars in the U.S.
And that's the fact Jack.
We looked at a Prius but just could not get over the looks. It looks like a toy but the car is cheap so the price is right. Also it has several recalls and that is not a chance we want to take on a new car.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#20 Dec 1, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
Complain to Bloomberg---they're the ones publishing those numbers.
Given your somewhat 'biased' track record here, I'll stick with Bloomberg.
That said, I believe the Volt's very high price point makes for a precarious position in the economy car market.
"If" (as you say) they can sell at that price point is a big elephant in their room right now.
Remains to be seen just how serious that "If" will be.
I also agree with GMMC's point about the PR campaign for the Volt.
I think of it as a "Hail Mary" play by GM.
They've certainly gone to the wall on this.
They've gotta be seen to be successful to keep alive, simply because they've still got an uphill fiscal challenge on their hands.
The possibility of another bankruptcy is still there.
Regardless---please understand I wish GM success and longevity.
So basically the only issue you have with my post is the production numbers? Fine, I can live with that.

Now, as for the “PR” campaign, they really aren’t advertising much for this car as its availability is limited and only offered in certain markets. What you are seeing is the press “advertising” the car for GM. Expect more as this car continually loads up the awards and smacks around the competition. This is good press.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 462
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Chevrolet Volt Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Gays: First adopters? (Nov '11) Dec 3 fergdser 5
Out of their league: 6 vehicles with shocking s... Nov 28 Solarman 1
Los Angeles: Mullen 700e proves there's no coda... Nov 25 Mitchell 1
Energy storage seen as next spark for 'green' p... (Jun '14) Nov 22 Green -cash- Cons... 48
GM's bold platform plan aims to reduce complexi... Oct '14 Solarman 1
UPDATE 1-GM's Cadillac to introduce high-end se... Sep '14 Solarman 1
Why Hybrid and Electric Cars Have Lost Their Spark Sep '14 Solarman 1
More from around the web