Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

MUQ:

"If you follow Islam correctly, it well never go out of hand, that is to say it will always lead you to the middle and natural path."

Islam is noted for its extreme and intolerant beliefs, it has never followed a middle or moderate path. Look at the world if you doubt it. Who is causing trouble in the Western world by their refusal to abide by the laws and mores of the country they live in? Suicide bombers and terrorists act in the name of Islam, encouraged by religious teachers (like Bashir in Indonesia), and many Muslims upport them. Are all these Muslims and their teachers wrong?

MUQ: "I doubt if any Judeo-Christian system is applicable in any of the Western Countries. They are secular or atheist in their approach."

Western countries are secular in the sense that we have seperated religion and the state, but Western laws and mores are based on the Ten Commandments and Christianity.

MUQ: "Islam asks people to come to the right path that is its mission. Why it should not give that call in every page?"

Why should Islam not give the same right to other religions? If Islam is so demonstrably 'right', why do Muslims ban the study of other beliefs? You may believe that you are right, but to Western eyes, the religion of Islam rests on the words of Mohammed, which makes the whole belief system circular reasoning.

There is no proof that Islam is right, it all rests upon faith. And there is no good reason, judging by the state of the Muslim world and the Muslims who post here, why anyone should believe in Islam over Christianity, Judaism, or any other belief.

Gottaliv wrote:

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1. I don't have to, as you say,'tell clearly' anything , the videos say it for me. It's all relevant.
2. I stated the only comment I wished to make.
3. We are in any sort of business we want to be in theses threads. Just like you're in the 'business' here of trying to convert people to your religion under the guise of debating. Remember freedom of speech is practiced in this country and you ARE preaching in an Australian forum.
4. You do you think YOU are telling ME what I 'should' and should not be doing? I don't tell anyone what I think they 'should' be doing and I don't tell you how or what to write. Do you own this forum?
The choice is yours weather you read or click on anything I post. Just like the choice is mine to not read your long and drawn out Muslim preachings.

At least my preachings are in front of you, you read or ignore is your choice.

Your info is hidden on a website? What conclusion you draw is not known.

These threads are for discussions and exchange of opinions, not for exchanging webside addresses.

I have ignore this post for a long time due to other priorities. But I wont ignore it fore ever as I am strongly against any war mongering religion. They are all war mongering especially the Muslim religion in our life time.
The Jews are trying to catch up, but I think they are far smarter than the Muslim's in general.
I am sure there will be a few thousand blown up Iranians before to long Armanijad (who cares how you spell it) is one screwed up muslin. He is in the same class of freak as Kim Jong ill.

I am really not threatened my muslims, at all.
I really think they are at threat by the other big religions, Like tom cruise's COS. Aliens will blow you all up. So Tom will have us all belive.

The Holy Father??? is very sorry that some passages of his speech may have sounded offensive to the sensibilities of Muslim believers

Tarcisio Bertone

Vatican secretary of state
Why fear muslims.

Moiz Qidwai wrote:

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At least my preachings are in front of you, you read or ignore is your choice.
Your info is hidden on a website? What conclusion you draw is not known.
These threads are for discussions and exchange of opinions, not for exchanging webside addresses.

There is no rule about website addresses, it's perfectly acceptable to refer someone to a website.

Moiz Qidwai wrote:

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At least my preachings are in front of you, you read or ignore is your choice.
Your info is hidden on a website? What conclusion you draw is not known.
These threads are for discussions and exchange of opinions, not for exchanging webside addresses.

Links I provide are certainly not hidden anywhere, millions of people have access to them and they reflect my views. So they are my conclusions, otherwise I wouldn't be posting them. And I do not have to spend hours typing anything.

You have made this thread your own personal mission to spread the word of Islam, but you need to remember it is an 'open' Forum for all people of all races and religions to comment in, in whatever way they wish. And people ARE allowed to have an opposing point of view here. So do not be so superior as to tell me what I should be posting or not. Superiority is apparently a Muslim trait and not one welcomed by the average Australian.

The title of this thread is "Why should Australians fear from Muslims?"

You are providing your one-sided written point of view - I am providing visual and audio information for those who wish to view. Here are a few more for those interested.

"When Muslims say that Islam is the religion of peace they are referring to the peace that will come to the world when the whole world is obeying Islamic Law, and that peace must be reached through violence."

The truth about Mohammed
http://au.youtube.com/watch...

The Terror of the Female Circumcision in Islam V
http://au.youtube.com/watch...

Women's Rights in Islam: Married to Four Wives
http://au.youtube.com/watch...

Gottaliv wrote:

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Links I provide are certainly not hidden anywhere, millions of people have access to them and they reflect my views. So they are my conclusions, otherwise I wouldn't be posting them. And I do not have to spend hours typing anything.
You have made this thread your own personal mission to spread the word of Islam, but you need to remember it is an 'open' Forum for all people of all races and religions to comment in, in whatever way they wish. And people ARE allowed to have an opposing point of view here. So do not be so superior as to tell me what I should be posting or not. Superiority is apparently a Muslim trait and not one welcomed by the average Australian.
The title of this thread is "Why should Australians fear from Muslims?"
You are providing your one-sided written point of view - I am providing visual and audio information for those who wish to view. Here are a few more for those interested.
"When Muslims say that Islam is the religion of peace they are referring to the peace that will come to the world when the whole world is obeying Islamic Law, and that peace must be reached through violence."
The truth about Mohammed
http://au.youtube.com/watch...
The Terror of the Female Circumcision in Islam V
http://au.youtube.com/watch...
Women's Rights in Islam: Married to Four Wives
http://au.youtube.com/watch...

"When Muslims say that Islam is the religion of peace..

Taqqiya. Here is another one - when Muslims claim that the OT prophets, and Jesus were all Muslims, it's a dishonest play on words. The word 'Muslim' has two meanings:

1. a follower of Mohammed's teachings
2. one who has submitted himself to God (the literal meaning of the word 'Muslim')

Islam is the only religion that gives its followers permission to lie -'in defence of Islam', whatever that may mean.

To the Western mind, it's just plain lying.

If you want to see what Islam will do to the Western world if the West accepts it just look at all the Muslim countries around the planet. Look at the ones that border non Muslim countries. Israel is one of the most high tech countries on Earth. India is the only bright spot in South Asia, sharp contrast from Bangladesh and Pakistan which are nearly in anarchy.

Muslims show much hatred for the US but wait til the European Superpower shows its face to the world, they will exterminate Islam.

Gottaliv wrote:

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Links I provide are certainly not hidden anywhere, millions of people have access to them and they reflect my views. So they are my conclusions, otherwise I wouldn't be posting them. And I do not have to spend hours typing anything.
You have made this thread your own personal mission to spread the word of Islam, but you need to remember it is an 'open' Forum for all people of all races and religions to comment in, in whatever way they wish. And people ARE allowed to have an opposing point of view here. So do not be so superior as to tell me what I should be posting or not. Superiority is apparently a Muslim trait and not one welcomed by the average Australian.
The title of this thread is "Why should Australians fear from Muslims?"
You are providing your one-sided written point of view - I am providing visual and audio information for those who wish to view. Here are a few more for those interested.
"When Muslims say that Islam is the religion of peace they are referring to the peace that will come to the world when the whole world is obeying Islamic Law, and that peace must be reached through violence."
The truth about Mohammed
http://au.youtube.com/watch...
The Terror of the Female Circumcision in Islam V
http://au.youtube.com/watch...
Women's Rights in Islam: Married to Four Wives
http://au.youtube.com/watch...

I am not using this thread to preach Islam or Islamic teachings. My aim is to clarify doubts and misunderstandings that people have about Islam. And to me, most people have doubts and misunderstandings about Islam, one way or other.

I usually respond to comments of individuals and I expect that people answering my posts would follow the same.

I never expect that every one will accept my point of view. Any one differing should post his views. Referring to a web site dilutes the force of your comments. People may differ as to the content of that web site.

It is not fair for you to be so much pissed about a normal request from my side.

Moiz Qidwai wrote:

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I am not using this thread to preach Islam or Islamic teachings.

* Yes you are.

MQ: My aim is to clarify doubts and misunderstandings that people have about Islam.

* You are verifying them for me.

MQ: Referring to a web site dilutes the force of your comments.

* I happen to think differently.

MQ: People may differ as to the content of that web site.

* That is their choice.

MQ: It is not fair for you to be so much pissed about a normal request from my side.

* You did not 'request'- you 'told'. There is a big difference between and request and an order.

That is all well and good but why do women have to have their clitorus removed? Pardon my ignorance but perhaps Moiz Qidwai might like to explain that to me because I am very unclear on that one.

Joe wrote:

If you want to see what Islam will do to the Western world if the West accepts it just look at all the Muslim countries around the planet. Look at the ones that border non Muslim countries. Israel is one of the most high tech countries on Earth. India is the only bright spot in South Asia, sharp contrast from Bangladesh and Pakistan which are nearly in anarchy.
Muslims show much hatred for the US but wait til the European Superpower shows its face to the world, they will exterminate Islam.

The Western world will never be ruled by a 7th century theocracy.

According to the UN's HDI (Human Development Index) Western societies are the most advanced in the world whereas Muslim societies are the most backward.

In 2001 UNDP reported an average of 60% literacy in Islamic countries and between 95% to 100% in the West. Among Western 'literates', less than 2% of the population did not complete school-level education whereas 50% of the so-called literates of the Muslim world had never attended modern schools.

In Western society, literacy implies at least a primary level education whereas in Muslim society a person who can read and write is considered literate. If the Western criterion is taken into account, hardly 10% of the population of Muslim countries can claim to be literate.

Germany alone has a GDP of 3 thousand billion dollars - almost twice that of the entire Muslim World. Spain publishes more books in one year than the entire Muslim world.

Muslims are a minority in most Western countries - truly, if we allowed Islam to defeat the most adavnced culture the world has ever seen, we know who is to blame.

Gold_Fire wrote:

That is all well and good but why do women have to have their clitorus removed? Pardon my ignorance but perhaps Moiz Qidwai might like to explain that to me because I am very unclear on that one.

I'd be interested in his explanation as well.

Kazzi how on earth did you get your avatar on there? It is so cool

When you say "It is not fair for you to be so much pissed about a normal request from my side."
That is the same thing the Nazi said to the Jew- the jew should not be upset at the Nazi Polotico- afterall- all that Anti- jewish talk in 1936 was just talk afterall...

Moiz Qidwai wrote:

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I am not using this thread to preach Islam or Islamic teachings. My aim is to clarify doubts and misunderstandings that people have about Islam. And to me, most people have doubts and misunderstandings about Islam, one way or other.
I usually respond to comments of individuals and I expect that people answering my posts would follow the same.
I never expect that every one will accept my point of view. Any one differing should post his views. Referring to a web site dilutes the force of your comments. People may differ as to the content of that web site.
It is not fair for you to be so much pissed about a normal request from my side.

Gold_Fire wrote:

Kazzi how on earth did you get your avatar on there? It is so cool

Thanks. It is pretty cool isn't it? It's just a picture that I found. I love purple. Saved it on my 'puter, and imported it to here!

Very striking indeed Kazzi I have just joined so I will have to wait before mine apears

LOL - Saudi Arabia-by-the-Thames .. what have the Brits done by importing primitive religious sickos like this one. Funny how those panting for Islamic law to be enacted never want to live in the countries under Islamic law, isn't it. But not so funny really - they are in the West primarily to stir up trouble and push their brand of religious oppression onto us. Will the Brits one day wake up, round up and deport every last one of them?

"Hardline Muslim preacher in the UK calls for Islamic-amputation and lashings
http://tinyurl.com/5z9xnr

London July 14: An extremist Muslim preacher in the UK has reportedly called for Islamic-like punishments in the country, suggesting amputation of hands of thieves and lashing those who indulged in unmarried sex.

His demand for Islamic-style punishments was revealed as the row continues over the Lord Chief Justices recent support for Sharia law, reported The Sun.

Abu Zahra, the Muslim preacher, belongs to hardline Islamic group Hizb Ut Tahrir which once faced a ban. In his sermon at London s Regents Park mosque last evening, he slated British democracy as criminal, added the paper.

Zagras remark has evoked a strong reaction from the British leaders, even as Tory MP Philip Davies said: Its unacceptable.

According to the paper, in his speech Zahra declared: Male and female thief amputate their hands. Those who kill their life is not secure.

And, he slammed unmarried sex, saying: Lash them, added the paper.

Earlier this month, Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips had declared that Islamic legal principles could be applied by courts to resolve certain family, marital, or contractual cases. In a speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips had said that Sharia law could be applied so long as it did not conflict with English law.

But, Philips assertion has been criticized by many lawyers over concerns with the incorporation of religious values and a concern among womens groups that Sharia law was prejudicial to women and principles of equality." (ANI)

dee wrote:

LOL - Saudi Arabia-by-the-Thames .. what have the Brits done by importing primitive religious sickos like this one. Funny how those panting for Islamic law to be enacted never want to live in the countries under Islamic law, isn't it. But not so funny really - they are in the West primarily to stir up trouble and push their brand of religious oppression onto us. Will the Brits one day wake up, round up and deport every last one of them?
"Hardline Muslim preacher in the UK calls for Islamic-amputation and lashings
http://tinyurl.com/5z9xnr
London July 14: An extremist Muslim preacher in the UK has reportedly called for Islamic-like punishments in the country, suggesting amputation of hands of thieves and lashing those who indulged in unmarried sex.
His demand for Islamic-style punishments was revealed as the row continues over the Lord Chief Justices recent support for Sharia law, reported The Sun.
Abu Zahra, the Muslim preacher, belongs to hardline Islamic group Hizb Ut Tahrir which once faced a ban. In his sermon at London s Regents Park mosque last evening, he slated British democracy as criminal, added the paper.
Zagras remark has evoked a strong reaction from the British leaders, even as Tory MP Philip Davies said: Its unacceptable.
According to the paper, in his speech Zahra declared: Male and female thief amputate their hands. Those who kill their life is not secure.
And, he slammed unmarried sex, saying: Lash them, added the paper.
Earlier this month, Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips had declared that Islamic legal principles could be applied by courts to resolve certain family, marital, or contractual cases. In a speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips had said that Sharia law could be applied so long as it did not conflict with English law.
But, Philips assertion has been criticized by many lawyers over concerns with the incorporation of religious values and a concern among womens groups that Sharia law was prejudicial to women and principles of equality." (ANI)

Extremist alright and I am extremely shocked that he was not jailed out right for even suggesting something outrageous such as amputation of hands of thieves and lashing those who indulged in unmarried sex.

Purrlease

Adultery is the act of unfaithfulness in marriage that occurs when one of the marriage partners voluntarily engages in sexual activity with a person other than the marriage partner. It is prohibited both in act and in desire in Two of the Ten Commandments of the Decalogue, "You shall not commit adultery", "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife" (Deut.5:18,21, Ex.20). The punishment for adultery is death by stoning for both parties in the Holiness Code of Law, "If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death" (Lev.20:10, Ezk.16:40, Jn.8:3). Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God (1Cor.6:9).

Adultery has its origin within (Mat.15:19), and in the Law of Love of Jesus, adultery is committed even with the mind, and lust is as much a violation of the law's intent as is illicit sexual intercourse, as Jesus says: "You have heard that it was said, "you shall not commit adultery". But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mt.5:27-28).

Adulterers can be forgiven, as the adulteress was forgiven by Jesus in Jn.8:3-11, and once sanctified by Confessing the sin with repentance, faith, and God's grace, they are included among God's people (1Cor.6:9-11).

The adultery of King David with Bathsheba is one of the best known in the Bible (1Sam.11). David sinned like any other King, but he wept his sin like no other King did. The Lord punished him severely in 7 ways, starting with the death of the son conceived in adultery, the incest with his other son Ammon with his sister Tamar, the death of Ammon, the fled of his most beloved son, Absalom, his further rebellion, and death…(see 1Sam.11 to 18)… and David repented, and wrote the 7 classical Penitential Psalms: 6, 32, 38, 51, 102, 130, 143.