NM court upholds gay discrimination ruling

Jun 5, 2012 Full story: The State 15

The New Mexico Court of Appeals has upheld a ruling that a professional photographer who refused to take pictures of a gay couple's commitment ceremony violated state anti-discrimination laws.

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#1 Jun 5, 2012
Another defeat of the dangerous notion that one's religious beliefs are somehow a justification for breaking anti-discrimination laws. Not just against someone who happens to be Lesbian, but ANYONE. These people should be careful in what they are asking for, there's always the possibility some Court might be stupid enough to give it to them. Then we can wait for the screaming to begin when it is used against them.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2 Jun 5, 2012
Anyone who has studied the 1960s Civil Rights movement could tell this photography studio owner she cannot practice discrimination when her business is licensed to serve the public
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Now she has been told the same thing by a judge in a court of law and she wants to appeal?
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Arrogance knows no bounds

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#3 Jun 5, 2012
The Alliance Defense Fund is funding this fight for the special right of "christians" to discriminate against us and in turn, anyone else that God or whatever tells you not to associate with in the public square and she's probably not hurting financially in this either, so what does she care? Of course they are going to appeal, these folk are nothing if not consistent in in their hubris. The future headlines in this case are: Appeals Court Panel Upholds Gay Discrimination Ruling, New Mexico Supreme Court Upholds Gay Discrimination Ruling and SCOTUS Rejects Appeal of New Mexico Gay Discrimination Ruling. Some of these sequels might be a couple three years out, so stay tuned.

Since: Mar 09

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#4 Jun 5, 2012
I don't like this ruling, or the legal theory behind it.

Go figure.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#5 Jun 6, 2012
snyper wrote:
I don't like this ruling, or the legal theory behind it.
Go figure.
How so?
Tom

Lacon, IL

#6 Jun 6, 2012
Hick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>How so?
So Hick, to you think the rights of all religions should be trampled?

Do you think Hindu's should be forced to sever beef if they open a restaurant?

Do you think vegans should be forced to serve meat if they open a restaurant?

Do you think animal rights enthusiasts should be forced to do promotions for hunting if they open a production studio?

Or does this all hinge around your hatred and bigotry against Christianity because the Bible repeatedly commands against all homosexual behavior?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#7 Jun 6, 2012
Tom wrote:
So Hick, to you think the rights of all religions should be trampled?
No dear, while there are a few individuals who claim to be religious for whom the trampling idea works for me (thinking the Wildebeest migration), I actually think that the rights of religions should be protected, but this case does not involve the right of religion.
Tom wrote:
Do you think Hindu's should be forced to sever beef if they open a restaurant?
No dear, I don't and there is NOTHING under the law which would force them to do so.
Tom wrote:
Do you think vegans should be forced to serve meat if they open a restaurant?
No dear, I don't favor that idea either, again NOTHING under the law would force them to do so. You're running 0-2 in non-relevant analogies David, you really should avoid commenting when the subject is something you can't fake a clue knowing ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about.
Tom wrote:
Do you think animal rights enthusiasts should be forced to do promotions for hunting if they open a production studio?
And we reach 0-3 on irrelevant analogies. Did you not think looking up what the law actually does and doesn't do before asking me a series of stupid questions might be a good idea? Oh David, David, David. Ignorance ain't bliss, it's just ignorance.

This is the relevant section of the law:

F. any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction, directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services, facilities, accommodations or goods to any person because of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap, provided that the physical or mental handicap is unrelated to a person's ability to acquire or rent and maintain particular real property or housing accommodation;
http://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/2006/n...

This is why your analogies are completely and utterly irrelevant. The law requires no such thing. Simple, even for you.
Tom wrote:
Or does this all hinge around your hatred and bigotry against Christianity because the Bible repeatedly commands against all homosexual behavior?
David, Tom, or whatever you wanna call yourself, you believe me to hate Christianity and to be bigoted against it, but not even you could be more detached from reality. I may have issues with some self-professed "Christians" and their cockamamie beliefs, but I have no problem with Christianity, just don't believe in it. One last point cupcake, it's you who repeatedly, obsessively command against all homosexual behaviors and if you really want to believe that the Bible actually backs you up on it, more power to you, but don't expect me to buy into your delusion.

Since: Mar 09

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#8 Jun 6, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>How so?
I believe that businesses are private enterprises. Until I sell something, it's MINE. I don't have to sell it at all, and any terms of sale remain my choice.

There are some problems with this, but it protects the absolute sovereignty of the individual ... even, sadly, the freedom to be a discriminatory bigot.

Cornered animals become vicious.

The beast in religious garb is no different.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#9 Jun 6, 2012
snyper wrote:
I believe that businesses are private enterprises. Until I sell something, it's MINE. I don't have to sell it at all, and any terms of sale remain my choice.
There are some problems with this, but it protects the absolute sovereignty of the individual ... even, sadly, the freedom to be a discriminatory bigot.
Cornered animals become vicious.
The beast in religious garb is no different.
Private businesses have the right to refuse their goods and services, it's just not an absolute one. The Human Rights Act limits that right of refusal on the basis of suspect classifications. You can say I'm booked that night, you can't say that you don't do dykes because you're going to hell and expect your religion to serve as a get your ass out of some well earned trouble free card. Look up the original complaint, she had this one coming, this woman went off on them. The law allows you the right to be as bigoted as your little heart desires, it just frowns on you putting that bigotry into action and justifiably so.
Tom

Lacon, IL

#10 Jun 6, 2012
Hick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>No dear, while there are a few individuals who claim to be religious for whom the trampling idea works for me (thinking the Wildebeest migration), I actually think that the rights of religions should be protected, but this case does not involve the right of religion.
<quoted text>No dear, I don't and there is NOTHING under the law which would force them to do so.
<quoted text>No dear, I don't favor that idea either, again NOTHING under the law would force them to do so. You're running 0-2 in non-relevant analogies David, you really should avoid commenting when the subject is something you can't fake a clue knowing ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about.
<quoted text>And we reach 0-3 on irrelevant analogies. Did you not think looking up what the law actually does and doesn't do before asking me a series of stupid questions might be a good idea? Oh David, David, David. Ignorance ain't bliss, it's just ignorance.
This is the relevant section of the law: yourself, you believe me to hate Christianity and to be bigoted against it, but not even you could be more detached from reality. I may have iss
So Hick, you idiot, you really do think that only those who agree with the Bible's repeated commands against all homosexual behavior should be discriminated against?

You think those who believe in the Bible should be forced to be involved in something they this is morally very wrong and solemn mockery before God, but that shouldn't apply to the others I mentioned.

You really are the ultimate hypocrite, Hick, and amazingly ignorant.

As for what the Bible says about your lifestyle choice, Hick, you have failed to find ANY Bible translation, Judeo-Christian tradition, or ancient Bible text that places in question the Bible's MANY commands against and condemnations of all homosexual behavior:

Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB)- And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Face reality, Hick, YOU are the ignorant, hateful anti-Christian bigot. You know amazingly little about the law and are in denial about what the Bible says about the God-forbidden, unspeakable acts by which you choose to define your life.
col712

United States

#11 Jun 6, 2012
All taken out of context! Try again! Ask Jesus himself! You are going to be red faced when meeting your maker! The one and only thing you need to remember is love thy neighbor! You can't do that so we all know where you will be spending eternity! BTW! I was raised in a very religious christian family not not a hate filled one as you seemed to spew! God does not make mistakes!I see you question him. Again, we all know where that line of thinking takes you. Bring some cooling lotions
Tom wrote:
<quoted text>So Hick, you idiot, you really do think that only those who agree with the Bible's repeated commands against all homosexual behavior should be discriminated against?
You think those who believe in the Bible should be forced to be involved in something they this is morally very wrong and solemn mockery before God, but that shouldn't apply to the others I mentioned.
You really are the ultimate hypocrite, Hick, and amazingly ignorant.
As for what the Bible says about your lifestyle choice, Hick, you have failed to find ANY Bible translation, Judeo-Christian tradition, or ancient Bible text that places in question the Bible's MANY commands against and condemnations of all homosexual behavior:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB)- And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Face reality, Hick, YOU are the ignorant, hateful anti-Christian bigot. You know amazingly little about the law and are in denial about what the Bible says about the God-forbidden, unspeakable acts by which you choose to define your life.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#12 Jun 6, 2012
Tom wrote:
So Hick, you idiot, you really do think that only those who agree with the Bible's repeated commands against all homosexual behavior should be discriminated against?
Oh David, David, David, you suck as badly at reading between the lines as you do at reading the lines themselves. No dear, I do not believe that only those etcetera, etcetera, should be discriminated against and there is nothing in the law which allows them to be.
Tom wrote:
You think those who believe in the Bible should be forced to be involved in something they this is morally very wrong and solemn mockery before God, but that shouldn't apply to the others I mentioned.
Cupcake, the law in no way forces businesses to provide goods and services that they would not otherwise provide, but a wedding photographer can't make the distinction between clients on the basis of a suspect classification. Her right to be a professional photographer doing business in the state is not absolute and she must abide by the laws which regulate business, including the human rights act. She has the legal right to believe that such a wedding is a mockery before God, but she has no right to impose that belief onto others and it certainly doesn't give her the right to discriminate on the basis of such a belief. A Gay photographer cannot refuse a hetero Christian wedding on the basis that they are hetero and/or Christian based on their beliefs. Why would you imagine Christianity to have special privileges no one else can have, especially from the government?
Tom wrote:
You really are the ultimate hypocrite, Hick, and amazingly ignorant.
In your opinion and even you have to be bright enough to figure out how little I believe in that.
Tom wrote:
As for what the Bible says about your lifestyle choice, Hick, you have failed to find ANY Bible translation, Judeo-Christian tradition, or ancient Bible text that places in question the Bible's MANY commands against and condemnations of all homosexual behavior:
(regurgitated Bible spam deleted)
As for what YOU say the Bible "says" about my "lifestyle", you should know by now, that no matter how many times you enthrall me with the only Bible verses you seem to know, you ain't ever going to convince me that you can even fake a clue as to knowing what the Bible actually says about my "lifestyle" or anything else for that matter. If this is really what you want to believe, believe it to your heart's content, but as far as I'm concerned, your beliefs are your problem, not mine.
Tom wrote:
Face reality, Hick, YOU are the ignorant, hateful anti-Christian bigot. You know amazingly little about the law and are in denial about what the Bible says about the God-forbidden, unspeakable acts by which you choose to define your life.
You know, I've heard that The American pharmaceutical industry has made grade strides in psychotropic medications.

You're also free to respond if you want, but remember, I'm also free to ignore your pathetic canned rants of irrational hate.

Bye-bye again David, I'm done wasting time on you.
Tom

Lacon, IL

#13 Jun 6, 2012
Hick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Oh David, David, David, you suck as badly at reading between the lines as you do at reading the lines themselves. No dear, I do not believe that only those etcetera, etcetera, should be discriminated against and there is nothing in the law which allows them to be.
<quoted text>Cupcake, the law in no way forces businesses to provide goods and services that they would not otherwise provide, but a wedding photographer can't make the distinction between clients on the basis of a suspect classification. Her right to be a professional photographer doing business in the state is not absolute and she must abide by the laws which regulate business, including the human rights act. She has the legal right to believe that such a wedding is a mockery before God, but she has no right to impose that belief onto others and it certainly doesn't give her the right to discriminate on the basis of such a belief. A Gay photographer cannot refuse a hetero Christian wedding on the basis that they are hetero and/or Christian based on their beliefs. Why would you imagine Christianity to have special privileges no one else can have, especially from the government?
<quoted text>In your opinion and even you have to be bright enough to figure out how little I believe in that.
<quoted text>As for what YOU say the Bible "says" about my "lifestyle", you should know by now, that no matter how many times you enthrall me with the only Bible verses you seem to know, you ain't ever going to convince me that you can even fake a clue as to knowing what the Bible actually says about my "lifestyle" or anything else for that matter. If this is really what you want to believe, believe it to your heart's content, but as far as I'm concerned, your beliefs are your problem, not mine.
<quoted text>You know, I've heard that The American pharmaceutical industry has made grade strides in psychotropic medications.
You're also free to respond if you want, but remember, I'm also free to ignore your pathetic canned rants of irrational hate.
Bye-bye again David, I'm done wasting time on you.
So, Hick you dope, thank you for explaining that you have no comprehension whatsoever of the Constitution or any concept of real human rights.

Your hate based fanaticism obviously makes you think that people no longer have a right of free association and that people who don't believe in subjugating animals have a 'right' to avoid what they believe in but Christians should be forced to be part of what God Almighty repeatedly condemns.

I appreciate the fact that you enthusiastically accept your chosen role as an anti-Christian bigot and fool, Hick.
Tom

Lacon, IL

#14 Jun 6, 2012
Hick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Oh David, David, David, you suck as badly at reading between the lines as you do at reading the lines themselves. No dear, I do not believe that only those etcetera, etcetera, should be discriminated against and there is nothing in the law which allows them to be.
<quoted text>Cupcake, the law in no way forces businesses to provide goods and services that they would not otherwise provide, but a wedding photographer can't make the distinction between clients on the basis of a suspect classification. Her right to be a professional photographer doing business in the state is not absolute and she must abide by the laws which regulate business, including the human rights act. She has the legal right to believe that such a wedding is a mockery before God, but she has no right to impose that belief onto others and it certainly doesn't give her the right to discriminate on the basis of such a belief. A Gay photographer cannot refuse a hetero Christian wedding on the basis that they are hetero and/or Christian based on their beliefs. Why would you imagine Christianity to have special privileges no one else can have, especially from the government?
<quoted text>In your opinion and even you have to be bright enough to figure out how little I believe in that.
<quoted text>As for what YOU say the Bible "says" about my "lifestyle", you should know by now, that no matter how many times you enthrall me with the only Bible verses you seem to know, you ain't ever going to convince me that you can even fake a clue as to knowing what the Bible actually says about my "lifestyle" or anything else for that matter. If this is really what you want to believe, believe it to your heart's content, but as far as I'm concerned, your beliefs are your problem, not mine.
<quoted text>You know, I've heard that The American pharmaceutical industry has made grade strides in psychotropic medications.
You're also free to respond if you want, but remember, I'm also free to ignore your pathetic canned rants of irrational hate.
Bye-bye again David, I'm done wasting time on you.
Hick, you bigoted ignoramus, we already knew you deny reality and this sodomy is all that counts in life.

Do you really wonder why ALL the parents in your trailer court tell the kids not to even ride their bikes past your trailer at full speed?

You grew up in a trashy family that was willing to abandon you to God-forbidden sodomy. That's sad, but it was also your choice.

You COULD have made something of your life.

PLEASE go back to posting with the horribly dissipated photo of an unloved, abandoned decrepit old fag. It was a wonderful warning to the young of what living in open rebellion to God yields in life.

Since: Mar 09

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#15 Jun 6, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Private businesses have the right to refuse their goods and services, it's just not an absolute one. The Human Rights Act limits that right of refusal on the basis of suspect classifications. You can say I'm booked that night, you can't say that you don't do dykes because you're going to hell and expect your religion to serve as a get your ass out of some well earned trouble free card. Look up the original complaint, she had this one coming, this woman went off on them. The law allows you the right to be as bigoted as your little heart desires, it just frowns on you putting that bigotry into action and justifiably so.
She wasn't terribly circumspect, but then that is her freedom of speech ... especially in her own establishment.

As you can tell, I don't agree with decisions to the contrary. The results may be ugly, but denial of intrinsic freedoms is uglier still.

I love the freedom that, from time to time, can result in discomfort and unhappiness for me at the hands of others.

I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason ... and even to tell them what that is.

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