Gay Marriage

bbb wrote:

<quoted text>Uh, isn't holding someone against their will KIDNAPPING?
this is no different than tying GTF to a light pole on central during the gay pride parade. Maybe not as much fun, but no different.

JosephOne wrote:

The one and only position of Scripture remains: Love the person with homosexual temptations by reaching out in supportive friendship and caring enough to warn of the eternal risk of serial, unrepentant homoerotic behavior.

bbb wrote:

<quoted text>Uh, isn't holding someone against their will KIDNAPPING?
this is no different than tying GTF to a light pole on central during the gay pride parade. Maybe not as much fun, but no different.

Isaac C wrote:

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This was short, so I read it, but I'm glad I did. I agree with this, and hope that you live by this suggestion. I am friends with homosexuals, and even more now,(I was introduced to one last week), but I have offered my hand as far as a Christian, but left it at that. I have spoke to Homosexuals and not say what they are doing is WRONG but offer that if they seek to change that I will help if possible.
Good job Joseph, good post.

Isaac C wrote:

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This was short, so I read it, but I'm glad I did. I agree with this, and hope that you live by this suggestion. I am friends with homosexuals, and even more now,(I was introduced to one last week), but I have offered my hand as far as a Christian, but left it at that. I have spoke to Homosexuals and not say what they are doing is WRONG but offer that if they seek to change that I will help if possible.
Good job Joseph, good post.

Isaac C wrote:

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Well from what I have seen of the story, the people on the bus actually gave in, BUT felt forced. One guy they interviewed on TV stated he did feel forced and isn't against prayer, but felt if he didn't that he wouldn't have been able to get off the bus. I wouldn't say it was kidnapping due to we don't know what would have happened if the people said "No, we're not going to pray" but IF the bus driver did state he wouldn't unless they did join in prayer, then that would be kidnapping.
I think he could have just ASKED if they wanted to pray, but he was wrong for acting the way he did.

JosephOne wrote:

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I think everyone is stretching the kidnapping definition {as they stretch marriage definition} just little too much. I must admit, this was unwise but I would rather be in that position than say on the receiving end of a muslim extremist traitors guns. Just trying to say to put the two in perspective and realize the real threat.

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Isaac C wrote:

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It's hard to stretch kidnapping definition.
Kidnapping - the unlawful act of capturing and carrying away a person against their will and holding them in false imprisonment.
The people were held in false imprisonment on the bus. Now we don't know if the bus driver would have MADE them stay on the bus, but not opening the door was automatically stepping on that kidnapping line. I personally would have pushed for kidnapping, just because if I didn't get up and the doors weren't open I would have felt that way. That's all that someone on the bus would have said to get the bus driver charged with Kidnapping, is that they felt they were in danger and the bus driver didn't open the doors when the passenger wanted to get off.
Now Joseph, I like you because you keep things civil, but I have to say that marriage doesn't have a definition that fits everyone. If you go what definition marriage has, then it should be ok for ANYONE to marry ANYONE based on love. BUT seeing your beliefs don't want that then YOU shouldn't be allowed to marry ANYONE you love.
Just to be sure I added the definitions of love and marriage for reference.
Marriage - a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves, without legal sanction
- the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce)
- two people who are married to each other;
- the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony;
- a close and intimate union;
Love - a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
- a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
- sexual passion or desire.
- a person toward whom love is felt; beloved person; sweetheart.
Now I respect your religious marriage ceremony, but I was always raised, taught and felt that marriage should be based on LOVE. At least I would hope that people are getting married for Love and not what they believe religiously or what religion they are.

JosephOne wrote:

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In order to stay civil, I really have no response to this, except to say there is a deeper and stronger definition of marriage and of love than what you put. Affections and feelings can change, they ebb and flow. Even a commitment is not strong enough. It is understood with God as an unbreakable covenant. And love...think of the love Jesus has for us and for His church, how He sacrificed Himself to save us, and that is the kind of love we need for our spouses. It goes so much deeper than emotions.

JosephOne wrote:

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In order to stay civil, I really have no response to this, except to say there is a deeper and stronger definition of marriage and of love than what you put. Affections and feelings can change, they ebb and flow. Even a commitment is not strong enough. It is understood with God as an unbreakable covenant. And love...think of the love Jesus has for us and for His church, how He sacrificed Himself to save us, and that is the kind of love we need for our spouses. It goes so much deeper than emotions.

Get That Fool wrote:

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No more than your average atheist.

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Isaac C wrote:

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Well that is up to who is marrying. I again respect your beliefs and need for God, but some believe the complete opposite. If you marry basing it on God, and thinking of love as Jesus, what's going to happen when you run into money issues, or arguments, or you don't know each other like you should or you lose faith along the way which happens.
I think you need more than religion holding a relationship. I can't see what a Church or God can bring to a relationship. I married my wife because I believed no one else could provide such feelings. If think God can do that, then why don't I just marry God (become a preacher or priest).
I agree feelings can change, or you can fall out of love, but those are challenges to life and your marriage. I think people marry or SHOULD marry because they don't see their feelings changing for the one they love, or that they can't love another.
Again I respect your view of marriage, but thinking that EVERYONE has to base their marriage on God and Jesus would go against a lot of people who have lived long happy lives and marriages. I'm sure the same goes for those who base their marriage on God and Jesus though.
I guess my point is that no one has a definition of Marriage or Love, that they make it what they want.

JosephOne wrote:

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If God is not your foundation for anything in your life how can you claim to be a christian? Don't get me wrong, you have your belief and that is okay. However, the very essence of being a christians is having God as your foundation for everything in your life. When money troubles come, when disagreements come, we go to God and ask for His wisdom and help. He hasn't failed us yet. Ultimately and humbly He is the head of our marriage. And we are gifts from Him to each other. I realize that not everyone believes this way, but then look at the state of marriage and the odds of divorce if you don't anchor yourself with the Bible and God, especially being a christian, the world and satan will find a way to get through and you will be defenseless. But again, I do respect your right to believe as you do.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>We all have our own concept of marital love and what we expect out of it. I do know that the most successful marriages, straight or gay, are based on a commitment that transcends passion and romance.

Get That Fool wrote:

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Thank you. I could not have put it as eloquently as you have. That is exactly right, and I hope those reading appreciate this blessing today.

JosephOne wrote:

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Sometimes trying to put forth the basics of christianity in something so profound as a marrage relationship is not as easy as it seems.
I pray that God will lead us to give more answers in His love and His wisdom. Even to the tough questions and basic questions. Praise Him, God IS faithful to His Word and to His Children. I pray for a fresh anointing and covering for us GTF and all the christians here to continue His work and for a salvation anointing and covering for those that still need Him. In Jesus' Name, Amen.
By the way GTF, God bless you and goodmorning. My evening was filled with mild frustration...my Zune had a hiccup and I had reload all my music and movies. Finished this morning. Whew!