created by: Sluggo needs a nap | Dec 4, 2009

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Why is New Mexico so violent?

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  • Gangs.
  • Drugs/Alcohol abuse.
  • Illegal Immigrants.
  • Poverty/Despair
  • Government/Leadership
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“I got out of bed for this?”

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In light of recent news events involving violent crime, mostly against children...

What is happening to New Mexico? As a lifelong native I can tell you it has not alway been such a violent place to raise a family.

Your observations are welcomed.

“You Think You Know...”

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Personally I think it's a mix of everything. I mostly think drugs seeing it links to a lot of them. Families using drugs, gangs revolve around drug use, Illegal immigrants bringing drugs across the border...etc.

I have to say that New Mexico isn't a MAJOR state for violence though. I live in Virginia currently, lived in Farmington, New Mexico previously. Virginia/DC area has A LOT more violence. I understand some think it's a lot because they haven't seen outside of New Mexico, but be thankful it's not as bad.

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Family values play a HUGE role in raising children. If everyone around lies, cheats, steals or has disrespect & disdain for the law or others, so too will the vast majority of children in that home. This isn't just a NM or Hispanic thing by any means. It runs rampant throughout the entire US.

Having said that, we all must admit that there are certain 'cultural' aspects that also contribute to the decline of family values. This too spans the gambit of ethnicity, its not limited to just one or two. NM has a violent past, and some of the same customs and traditions from long ago I think contribute to this too. But other cultures have problems too.

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Sluggo needs a nap wrote:
In light of recent news events involving violent crime, mostly against children...
What is happening to New Mexico? As a lifelong native I can tell you it has not alway been such a violent place to raise a family.
Your observations are welcomed.
Speaking about crimes against children, I really believe that many people do not think nor do they hold like valuable. If they did, children would not suffer the consequences they do here. That's not to say it does not occur elsewhere, but this thread is about NM, not elsewhere. I think drugs and gangs have been a major factor towards all of this, a callousness towards others. That and the pathetic term gangsters so often use "DISRESPECT", as if they had any for anyone else.

Children are not objects to be abused, regardless of how bad off or mad anyone may be. Gotta leave this now, I'm getting ill just thinking about he last two incidents.

“MRS. CHIX”

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I think the root of our problems starts with the breakdown of family/values. All the other problems, gangs,drugs, alcohol abuse,etc are as a result of that. There has always been poverty here, but, the violence wasn't here with it. The illegals and gangs and poor government are all a result of the breakdown, the lack of family values.

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CornDaddy wrote:
Family values play a HUGE role in raising children. If everyone around lies, cheats, steals or has disrespect & disdain for the law or others, so too will the vast majority of children in that home. This isn't just a NM or Hispanic thing by any means. It runs rampant throughout the entire US.
Having said that, we all must admit that there are certain 'cultural' aspects that also contribute to the decline of family values. This too spans the gambit of ethnicity, its not limited to just one or two. NM has a violent past, and some of the same customs and traditions from long ago I think contribute to this too. But other cultures have problems too.
You can pound Family Values into children but their environment will take over. Children spend more time at school and with their friends than they do with Family. You can teach them that drugs are bad, but if they all see their friends doing it, peer pressure will most times, but sadly win.

I think that the clashing of cultures, and traditions does play a part. Also with gangs being ethnicity driven and violence on the rise between gangs that plays a big part.

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CornDaddy wrote:
Family values play a HUGE role in raising children...
Agreed...

Drugs, alcohol and gangs have left many of New Mexico families a single parent affair.

Think about it: Teen gets pregnant, dad gang bangs, dad gets popped or capped, teen raises family...Repeat.

End result, disfunctional family.

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What pops into my mind are the following words: drugs, alcoholism, violence, poverty, ignorance, the disintegration of the family, bad schools, bad teachers, bad and greedy school administrators, incivility, no self-control, lack of basic morals and ethics, lack of support for the police, gangs, and an out of control meth problem. Sprinkle with crime. Lather, rinse, and repeat.

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Isaac C wrote:
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You can pound Family Values into children but their environment will take over. Children spend more time at school and with their friends than they do with Family. You can teach them that drugs are bad, but if they all see their friends doing it, peer pressure will most times, but sadly win.
I think that the clashing of cultures, and traditions does play a part. Also with gangs being ethnicity driven and violence on the rise between gangs that plays a big part.
Family values isn't the sole cause for sure. Its a mix of things but most fall (IMO) under that general heading. That loss in part leads to drugs, boredom and laziness which simply feeds the problem. If every child was taught differently, the problem would not be as large yet diverse as it is since kids would see fewer and fewer being anti-society.
Yes, culture and ethnicity have a bearing on this too, however as soon as it is identified, many scream racism which creates a red herring situation and from there the discussion dissolves into name calling. Note I didn't say Mexican, Spanish or Hispanic but someone will quickly call me to task for saying 'culture' and 'ethnicity' instead of stepping back and looking at the problem from different angles.

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Sluggo, you forgot to add an "all of the above" option to your poll because "all of the above" is the problem here and in other parts of the country as well.

And at the top of your list you should have said "Welfare". Because government handouts, welfare, has done more to destroy the family structure than any other government program ever enacted.

Over 150 years of welfare, we will feed you, we will furnish a home for you, we will give you money to eat, big brother will take care of you, has done our Native Americans a whole lot of good hasn't it. Close to 50% unemployment on the reservations in our country, alcoholism and drug abuse, violence against family members, children born out of wedlock and abandoned or allowed to run wild. Yessiree, I would say the welfare system has done a whole lot of good for the Native American people in our country. Their family structure, morals and pride in self has almost been completely destroyed by "Big Brother".

Flash forward to todays Hispanic culture in this state and you see the same thing happening. And, before any of you get your panties in a knot, I am a born and raised New Mexican and Spaniard blood runs deep in my veins.

We are seeing fourth generation welfare recipients, mostly among the Hispanic population. We are seeing more violence, more family members hurting other family members, than ever before. We are seeing more drug and alcohol abuse, more children born out of wedlock. More and more single mothers on welfare and deadbeat fathers either in prison or dead. Gangs along with an atrocious high school dropout rate, and the majority of this is happening in our Hispanic communities. Then all the over educated idiots and government fools sit and wring their hands wondering why.

Here is your sign people: NO FAMILY VALUES. No disipline. No work ethic. No pride in self and family. This is the problem we have in the Hispanic community and it will never change unless we get away from the welfare mentality.

Who cares if I have 4 kids from 3 different men, I can get more foodstamps and welfare to take care of them. Who cares if I have 4 kids with 3 different women, I don't have to take care of them. They can get foodstamps and welfare to do it for me.

Why shoud I work when I can live with someone who has a bunch of children and is getting foodstamps and welfare? I can lay around the house, provided by H.U.D. for next to nothing, do drugs or drink all day and my "woman" gets a fat check each month anyway. Why worry about going to prison? I can do what I want and if I get caught the gooberment will take care of my family and I'll be out in a year or two.

You see where I am going with this folks? The welfare mentality is what is destroying the family from within. And since the majority of our states population is Hispanic this is where we are seeing the results of "Big Brotherism".

As the oldest son and grandson I was raised primarily by my grandparents, in the traditional Spanish way. I was taught how to work for my living and take nothing I did not earn. I was taught pride in family and self. I was taught humility and courtesy towards others at all times. I was also taught to help my neighbor if he needed it, without thinking of how much he could pay me. I do it because it is the right thing to do.

Sad to say this kind of teaching is long gone. And it isn't just the Hispanics in our country that have drank the kool-aid of our gimme, gimme government, the welfare state has infiltrated every culture in our once great country.

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Sluggo needs a nap wrote:
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Agreed...
Drugs, alcohol and gangs have left many of New Mexico families a single parent affair.
Think about it: Teen gets pregnant, dad gang bangs, dad gets popped or capped, teen raises family...Repeat.
End result, disfunctional family.
True dat, but we need to break that cycle. And school is a good place to do that. Kids see the examples set by others. They take those examples home and display them. Perhaps mm and dad will remember that same example from their upbringing.

We can't blame it on the economy. When times were prosperous we were falling farther into the abyss. With bad times it will likely get worse because of those who don't care and exist on the fringe of society, some as entitlement people, others who just plain do not give a rats behind. The latter being products of the 60's that sadly my generation encouraged.

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squirrelnutkin wrote:
What pops into my mind are the following words: drugs, alcoholism, violence, poverty, ignorance, the disintegration of the family, bad schools, bad teachers, bad and greedy school administrators, incivility, no self-control, lack of basic morals and ethics, lack of support for the police, gangs, and an out of control meth problem. Sprinkle with crime. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
No argument from me on that, but the Q now is how we address it and turn society around. I think everyone has a good handle on the problem. The resolution will not be as easy though.
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Over 150 years of welfare, we will feed you, we will furnish a home for you, we will give you money to eat, big brother will take care of you, has done our Native Americans a whole lot of good hasn't it. Close to 50% unemployment on the reservations in our country, alcoholism and drug abuse, violence against family members, children born out of wedlock and abandoned or allowed to run wild. Yessiree, I would say the welfare system has done a whole lot of good for the Native American people in our country. Their family structure, morals and pride in self has almost been completely destroyed by "Big Brother".
Flash forward to todays Hispanic culture in this state and you see the same thing happening. And, before any of you get your panties in a knot, I am a born and raised New Mexican and Spaniard blood runs deep in my veins.
We are seeing fourth generation welfare recipients, mostly among the Hispanic population. We are seeing more violence, more family members hurting other family members, than ever before. We are seeing more drug and alcohol abuse, more children born out of wedlock. More and more single mothers on welfare and deadbeat fathers either in prison or dead. Gangs along with an atrocious high school dropout rate, and the majority of this is happening in our Hispanic communities. Then all the over educated idiots and government fools sit and wring their hands wondering why.
Here is your sign people: NO FAMILY VALUES. No disipline. No work ethic. No pride in self and family. This is the problem we have in the Hispanic community and it will never change unless we get away from the welfare mentality.
Who cares if I have 4 kids from 3 different men, I can get more foodstamps and welfare to take care of them. Who cares if I have 4 kids with 3 different women, I don't have to take care of them. They can get foodstamps and welfare to do it for me.
Why shoud I work when I can live with someone who has a bunch of children and is getting foodstamps and welfare? I can lay around the house, provided by H.U.D. for next to nothing, do drugs or drink all day and my "woman" gets a fat check each month anyway. Why worry about going to prison? I can do what I want and if I get caught the gooberment will take care of my family and I'll be out in a year or two.
You see where I am going with this folks? The welfare mentality is what is destroying the family from within. And since the majority of our states population is Hispanic this is where we are seeing the results of "Big Brotherism".
As the oldest son and grandson I was raised primarily by my grandparents, in the traditional Spanish way. I was taught how to work for my living and take nothing I did not earn. I was taught pride in family and self. I was taught humility and courtesy towards others at all times. I was also taught to help my neighbor if he needed it, without thinking of how much he could pay me. I do it because it is the right thing to do.
Sad to say this kind of teaching is long gone. And it isn't just the Hispanics in our country that have drank the kool-aid of our gimme, gimme government, the welfare state has infiltrated every culture in our once great country.
And for every one person that abuses the welfare system there are 10 that use it for a short time to get on their feet and become upstanding taxpaying citizens afterward. But judgemental people like you only dwell on the negative because you pick & choose what you want to believe reported by the various media outlets. Positive news about people that have found success after welfare is never reported cause it doesn't sell. You have reached somewhat of a measure of success but have little compassion for those who have not.....humility? I think not.
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It's a small ecosystem. Everything is rigged. Opportunities are limited. There are lots of semi-illiterate people with short attention spans and low intelligence who take the path of least resistance and resort to crime as a way to earn a living. There are lots of highly educated people who seize on the opportunity to join in the rampant corruption and lawlessness in the upper ranks of business, government and society and line their pockets. Alcohol and drugs offer escape from the stark realities of New Mexico life: A HORRIBLE place where Constitutional guarantees and the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are only available to the politically-connected, and/or wealthy. All this takes place within an environment of great natural beauty. The two are hard to reconcile and pose a great deal of incongruity to people with even a modicum of intelligence, so they seek escape through substance abuse, even the rich and powerful. The apologists for New Mexico are like the King's hangers-on in the fable "The Emperor's New Clothes": They repeat the party line ad nauseam and perpetuate the myth of "The Land of Enchantment".
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PS No one said it better than author/sociologist
Elena de la Souchere:

"In this hostile kind of atmosphere, there came into being a willful kind of person, withdrawn into himself....."

"Finding no chance to act, to shine in a worthwhile
collective enterprise, due to his lack of education, traditions, socialization, etc., he will strive to assert himself outside or even against society- by crime, destructiveness, violence. For to destroy is one way to make a mark upon reality, to leave one's "stamp" upon it".

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Mike8 wrote:
<quoted text>And for every one person that abuses the welfare system there are 10 that use it for a short time to get on their feet and become upstanding taxpaying citizens afterward. But judgemental people like you only dwell on the negative because you pick & choose what you want to believe reported by the various media outlets. Positive news about people that have found success after welfare is never reported cause it doesn't sell. You have reached somewhat of a measure of success but have little compassion for those who have not.....humility? I think not.
Have you a credible source to put forth numbers? Of course not. The last thing the Government is interested in is eliminating the entitlement people from those who truly need a helping hand. An extension of Don't ask, Don't tell. Any stats they may promote would be to promote their agenda, not identify the problem and work towards a resolution.

So where do you get your 'positive' news from - liberalwire dot gov, or smoke-n-mirrors.gov ?
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CornDaddy wrote:
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Have you a credible source to put forth numbers? Of course not. The last thing the Government is interested in is eliminating the entitlement people from those who truly need a helping hand. An extension of Don't ask, Don't tell. Any stats they may promote would be to promote their agenda, not identify the problem and work towards a resolution.
So where do you get your 'positive' news from - liberalwire dot gov, or smoke-n-mirrors.gov ?
You ask the question but try answering yourself as usual. As for the positive news, the ones your mentioned are the same as yer favorite questionable Fox News...hehehe what an oxymoron.
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Why are other "Northern" state, including Europe so peaceful?

Mexicans - either F'ing or fighting

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squirrelnutkin wrote:
What pops into my mind are the following words: drugs, alcoholism, violence, poverty, ignorance, the disintegration of the family, bad schools, bad teachers, bad and greedy school administrators, incivility, no self-control, lack of basic morals and ethics, lack of support for the police, gangs, and an out of control meth problem. Sprinkle with crime. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
I agree with most everything you have said but there is another element. Why do criminals commit crimes over and over. They do because they have no fear of punishment. How many times has a violent crime been committed by a person who should already be in jail for a previous crime. If you want to prevent crime come down hard on criminals for their first offense and there may not be a second offense. Here judges give criminals second, third, tenth chances and still don't jail the career criminals. The system is broken and the police know it and the criminals take advantage of it.

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Elementary Watson wrote:
It's a small ecosystem. Everything is rigged. Opportunities are limited. There are lots of semi-illiterate people with short attention spans and low intelligence who take the path of least resistance and resort to crime as a way to earn a living. There are lots of highly educated people who seize on the opportunity to join in the rampant corruption and lawlessness in the upper ranks of business, government and society and line their pockets. Alcohol and drugs offer escape from the stark realities of New Mexico life: A HORRIBLE place where Constitutional guarantees and the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are only available to the politically-connected, and/or wealthy. All this takes place within an environment of great natural beauty. The two are hard to reconcile and pose a great deal of incongruity to people with even a modicum of intelligence, so they seek escape through substance abuse, even the rich and powerful. The apologists for New Mexico are like the King's hangers-on in the fable "The Emperor's New Clothes": They repeat the party line ad nauseam and perpetuate the myth of "The Land of Enchantment".
I think you have gone off the deep end. You don't know what horrible is or you wouldn't consider New Mexico or for that matter anywhere in the United Sates as horrible. I have been in places in this world that are horrible and this isn't one of them. In this country you can be what you want to be if you are willing to work for it. The only problem is so many are not willing to work for their future. Yes there are problems but there are none that can't be overcome.

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