Fort Hood Shooter is a Terrorist

Forrest wrote:

We live in a free society where everyone has the right to say what they think. I think there were some very troubling signs that this man's loyalty was not with our country. The Major is every bit as much a terrorist as the 9/11 folks. I am really beginning to question our political correctness when it comes people being afraid to question some ones actions for fear of being labelled a racist. We need to protect our freedom or we won't have it for long. Our enemies are using our own rules against us at the same time they are planning our demise. We have to many weak politicians who never served a day in uniform making decisions about our future.

Yes...yes. I agree.

Forrest wrote:

We live in a free society where everyone has the right to say what they think. I think there were some very troubling signs that this man's loyalty was not with our country. The Major is every bit as much a terrorist as the 9/11 folks. I am really beginning to question our political correctness when it comes people being afraid to question some ones actions for fear of being labelled a racist. We need to protect our freedom or we won't have it for long. Our enemies are using our own rules against us at the same time they are planning our demise. We have to many weak politicians who never served a day in uniform making decisions about our future.

You pretty much nailed it.

Get That Fool wrote:

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The military only supplies you with a weapon in a 'hostile' area, not at a stateside base, unless you are a military cop or are in training.
A lot of people by separate guns in the military.

Thanks for your answer above which brings up another question, if those in the military buy guns off base do they have the right to bring them on base, if yes must they register or in some way let the base know they have a personal firearm on base?

What about rules for personal firearms on base, any restrictions?

There is no doubt in my mind he had it concealed up to the time he pulled it out and started his rampage but again wonder what rules or/and laws they have to obey on any military base.

Bluntly Spoken wrote:

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Interesting indeed, I knew about giving away his personal things to neighbors etc but some of that is new.
Won't blame the gun store but would wonder if they gave thought to a military person on active duty buying a gun when they are supplied to them.
Still does not say a word about why no one had a weapon or about MP being there, not being a former military person I have not first hand knowledge on whether they carry weapons at all times on bases or not here in the USA.
I am sure overseas and for sure in war zones they do but here, I would think they would if it is part of the uniform.
Still hope they give him an expedited trial and death by firing squad before the end of the year.
And allow family members of the deceased to take shots at him if they want to.

Hey Blunt, I live about 30 miles down the road from Ft Hood and the place is buzzing with crazy stories about what happened up there. About the guns, all guns on base are kept in the armory and issued for live fire drills or for the firing range only. No one is supposed to be walking around with a weapon save the MP's and civilian cops on base. Of course, one can hide a handgun pretty easy in the waist band under the BDU blouse.

The thing I can't understand is how this guy managed to shoot 40 some soldiers without any on them bull-rushing him early in the shooting. After all, I've read most of them were combat veterans. Maybe they were all rear-echalon types and not really combat oriented. Can you imagine a guy getting on a table in a room with 50 Navy Seals and getting off 50 shots, including reloading 3 times? I can't.

They're reporting here that the shooter could have killed even more but he chased a wounded soldier outside to finish him off and got shot for his troubles by that female cop and her partner.

Also, Fox News is reporting that this guy, Hasan, frequented strip clubs in the Killeen area, paying for lap dances, and tipping big time. Guess even the hardest Jihadist gets lonely for female companionship every now and then. Couldn't wait for those 72 Virgins, I guess.

Bluntly Spoken wrote:

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Thanks for your answer above which brings up another question, if those in the military buy guns off base do they have the right to bring them on base, if yes must they register or in some way let the base know they have a personal firearm on base?
What about rules for personal firearms on base, any restrictions?
There is no doubt in my mind he had it concealed up to the time he pulled it out and started his rampage but again wonder what rules or/and laws they have to obey on any military base.

Yes. All weapons on base need to be registered with the base. However, just like in the civilian world, some people don't respect the process. They actually perform car searches every so often on bases for this and other reasons.

Crackers and Get That Fool,

Thanks for all the good information, I am learning about military rules here and I welcome it.

Cracker from what you said and the mention of Navy Seals I am at a lost to why those Seals did not react quickly, they are one of best trained groups and just the sound of a gun going off is enough for them to take action, in a friendly base or not, that is what I understand about them.

I also cannot understand how so many did nothing the minute he started shooting, and as you said he stopped to reload 3 times, regardless of how fast he can drop a clip and insert another there is time there for someone to tip that table over, grab a chair and throw it at him or some other thing.

He must have been planning this for a long time and scouting and testing things to know how long it would take before MP and Police could get there.

I bet from this point on all bases will tighten up MP duty and have more around too.

It is still scary that this could happen on a base here in the USA and now I would hope all branches double check all who are enlisted regardless of last name to verify they are not our enemy within.

Get That Fool, makes me wonder how many others have hand guns on base that they have not registered or reported.

Does the military have the right to just search each persons locker and vehicle without any court order?

Okay folks, Hasan has lawyered-up, and his lawyer is asking that no one ask him any questions.

Here we go...

I am wearing a black arm band today for our lost servicemen and women, the dead and the injured (the civilians involved as well).

Forrest wrote:

"...Our enemies are using our own rules against us at the same time they are planning our demise."

That's very true. The ACLU uses this tactic, too.

My latest drill weekend, there wasn't any particularly extra security that I noticed to get on base, which surprised me.

Bluntly Spoken wrote:

Does the military have the right to just search each persons locker and vehicle without any court order?

Oh yeah! The Military is bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). A lot of our normal constitutional rights don't necessary apply to military personel. You sign when you join that you understand that you must answer to a different set of rules. I'm told that vehicle searches are carried out randomly at Ft Hood, approximately every 50 vehicles. With some 15,000 cars arriving on base daily, it's a huge problem stopping and searching them all. I would imagine Hasan, having an officer's sticker on his car, would be less likely to be searched.

Crackers wrote:

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Oh yeah! The Military is bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). A lot of our normal constitutional rights don't necessary apply to military personel. You sign when you join that you understand that you must answer to a different set of rules. I'm told that vehicle searches are carried out randomly at Ft Hood, approximately every 50 vehicles. With some 15,000 cars arriving on base daily, it's a huge problem stopping and searching them all. I would imagine Hasan, having an officer's sticker on his car, would be less likely to be searched.

Hasan has lawyered-up. It will be interesting to see if this falls under the UCMJ as it should, or some civil court. It should be UCMJ, but he killed and wounded civilians too.

I wouldn't want to be an MP at Ft. Hood right now! Damn.

Military and law enforcement investigators have located e-mails from Hasan to people associated with Al Qaeda, two U.S. officials told Fox News on the condition of anonymity.

These officials would not say if Hasan actually received any replies from the "extremists" he tried to contact, but one official said the intelligence suggests the people he was trying to reach "did not take Hasan seriously."

Both officials would not confirm an earlier ABC News report that this information was known by intelligence officials months ago.

U.S. intelligence officials on Monday denied that the intelligence community "sat" on valuable information about the alleged Fort Hood shooter before last week's massacre, after one lawmaker questioned whether agencies like the CIA could have done more to warn military and government officials.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, announced Monday that he's asked the heads of the FBI, NSA and CIA to "preserve" all documents and material connected to the attack. He said the administration has "critical information" that it is "refusing to release" to Congress and the public about the attack, and that lawmakers will want to "scrutinize" how intelligence officials handled information about the shooter before the attack.

nmweatherman wrote:

Forrest wrote:
"...Our enemies are using our own rules against us at the same time they are planning our demise."
That's very true. The ACLU uses this tactic, too.

Well, I'll bite. Would you mind explaining how the ACLU does this, please.

The mincing effeminacy of the army and the FBI has the red and yellow tinge of craven cowardice.

Please consider the following actions by the ACLU:

Filed a suit that led to a U.S. Defense Department order banning military units from sponsoring Boy Scout troops

Agreed to represent North American Man/Boy Love Association at no cost after two members were accused of raping and murdering a 10-year-old boy

Sued to bar dinnertime prayers at Virginia Military Institute

Asked a federal judge to overturn a state abstinence-only education program for schoolchildren

Sued successfully to drive Boy Scouts out of a local park because Scouts do not permit homosexual leaders, then won $940,000 tax dollars for their attorney fees and court costs.

Intimidated the L.A. County Board of Supervisors into removing a tiny symbol of a cross from the official county seal — and pledged to target all other government agencies with similar religious symbols in their seals, even when nobody had objected.

Worked against the president’s right to detain terrorists requested that officials at a New Orleans public school be “fined or jailed” for failing to stop prayer before a high school baseball game — claiming that prayer at school-related functions is “un-American and immoral.”

These, alarmingly, are just the tip of the iceberg. Like an American Taliban, the ACLU has moved on to support illegal immigration, flouting our laws. You would think lawyers would respect those laws, but not lawyers of the ACLU.

Instead, as Judicial Watch reports, Los Angeles became the model about 30 years ago for local, county, and city governments throughout the country who followed the ACLU's misguided lead in seeking to protect illegal immigrants from capture and deportation.

The L.A. police department instituted “Special Order 40,” a policy that prohibits LAPD officers from cooperating with federal immigration agents or even inquiring about the immigration status of individuals, including those they suspect are in the country illegally and may have engaged in criminal activity.

This special order turned L.A. and many other American cities into “sanctuary cities,” magnets for illegal immigrants and ballooning gang, drug, and lethal activity that inevitably resulted.

Do you not see the stark comparison between the Taliban and the ACLU? Each seeks to disrupt the traditions and guidelines that identify and protect society — and to impose its own perverted will and ideology on a bewildered people.

And the ACLU has gone the Taliban one better! It is getting the courts (other lawyers, not legislators) to award it millions and millions of taxpayer dollars to pay for its intimidation, litigation, and corruption.

You and I are funding its all-out assault on everything that’s precious to us.

I expect that there have been, and currently are, altruistic and well-meaning young attorneys who think they’re defending liberties and helping the helpless. But I hope they’ll read this and honestly reassess the ACLU record.

Meanwhile, our citizenry has to be aroused and informed. As we expect Iraqis and Afghans to resist their Taliban, so we have to confront ours aggressively.

The American Center for Law and Justice (www.aclj.org ) and Judicial Watch (www.JudicialWatch.org ) are taking it to the ACLU and facing it down. On our behalf, they are opposing our Taliban in municipalities across our nation and sometimes all the way to the Supreme Court.

They are attacking bad legislation such “Special Order 40,” with prospects of regaining some respect for our immigration laws, and they’re on the front lines defending the Boy Scouts and our freedom of religion and morality. They need our support.

Now is the time for all of us to come to the aid of our country. The ACLU is an American Taliban that cannot be allowed to take over our republic.

General George Casey should be courts martialed for derelection of duty, before this country is totally taken over by obamacommunism.

If you are familiar with intelligence operations, Army Intelligence was onto Hasan but was waiting to see how this would play out, and they let him think he was undetected. They gave him a lot of rope to hang himself with.

Unfortunately he went off the deep end, and now Army Intelligence has blood all over its face.

The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."

Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America's culture and traditions:

Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Political correctness is literally killing us.

This man was known to be in contact with a man who advocates violent terrorism and insurrection against America and its citizens.

And nothing was done.

Good thing we didn't hurt the feelings of any Muslims by questioning this man and checking him out, maybe finding a receipt for a gun designed for mass murder.

I just read a news report that the FBI had conducted an assessment on Maj Hasan a year ago. How would you like to have been the agent or agents who conducted the assessment and found that he did not pose a threat.