New York Primary Election Sept 14: Will you vote?

taxcheatsforromney wrote:

I have nothing aginst mormons your side started it with obama being a muslim.it is you that is the racist.If christianity counted for obama why doesnt it count for romney.its because you hate muslims and are just to gutless to admit it.I have printed no lies about mormonism,everything I said is in the book of mormon or a proven historical fact,that is not bigotry,thats telling the truth.If they are ashamed of their religion,that's their proplem not mine.

RACIST.
BIGOT.
HATER.
MORON.

That's it, ya goombah! You've hit the Quad-Fecta!

Mom must be so proud.

Teddy R wrote:

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RACIST.
BIGOT.
HATER.
MORON.
That's it, ya goombah! You've hit the Quad-Fecta!
Mom must be so proud.

The irony of calling someone a bigot because they think mormons are either weird or horrible...is ironic because their religion is by definition bigotrous. Their religion teaches you will have black slaves in heaven.....

when i find those lost gold tabets,or see the rabbit joe smih talked to then maybe.If you are a christian the book of mormon is heresy and pure blasphemy.so backing romney shows your bigotry,religion mattered when the candidate was black,but not when he's white.this actually works to obamas' advantage because the question of religion can't be brought up,without mentioning romneys not a christian and believes god lives on a star named kolob.

taxcheatsforromney wrote:

when i find those lost gold tabets,or see the rabbit joe smih talked to then maybe.If you are a christian the book of mormon is heresy and pure blasphemy.so backing romney shows your bigotry,religion mattered when the candidate was black,but not when he's white.this actually works to obamas' advantage because the question of religion can't be brought up,without mentioning romneys not a christian and believes god lives on a star named kolob.

Downright dispicable and pathetic. What church do you attend? My guess is Westboro Baptist. If this is what your church teaches you then they are just as bad as Westboro. Teddy R you can add liar and evil to your list as well.

Name one mistruth I have spoken about the mormons.I have only quoted from their book and historically proven incidences.I just said they aren't christians,I didn't say their fairy tale was any less unbelieveable then the christian fairy tale is.All I said Obamas' christianity was a big deal in 2008,and now in 2012 we have an avowed white non christian running and no one on the right is upset.This speaks of bigotry and hypocrisy,or in other words a twofer.I did not call into question their ethics,moral values or patriotism,like your side did with Obama.I just said they aint Christians,and any respected theologian will agree with me.

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In a posting on Monday on his influential blog, the theologian, R. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., spelled out why traditional Christians do not consider the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to be simply a different denomination of Christianity.

“Mormonism rejects the Bible as the sole and sufficient authority for the faith, and insists that the Book of Mormon and other authoritative Latter-Day Saints writings constitute God’s final revelation,” he wrote.“By its very nature, Mormonism borrows Christian themes, personalities, and narratives. Nevertheless, it rejects what orthodox Christianity affirms and it affirms what orthodox Christianity rejects.”

Dr. Mohler conspicuously did not use the term “cult” and he said,“It is neither slander nor condescension to state clearly that Mormonism is not Christianity.”

While individual Mormons may be persons of good conscience, Mormonism itself is a belief system that would reduce the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit from being the three Persons of the one, true, and infinite God to being three limited, finite deities among an uncounted multitude of deities, all of whom merely reshaped small parts of a preexisting cosmos.

Mormonism teaches that human beings may, by practicing the tenets of its faith, become gods and goddesses themselves, with their own planets full of people worshiping them.

While the Catholic Church would reject nothing that is true or good in Mormonism or any other world religion, Catholic theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is blasphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups.

The Catholic Church views Mormons as pagans, since Mormon theology teaches that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities, albeit, they are all progressing to the same ultimate stage. This fundamental difference in their theology, having three gods, is paganism. The claims of Joseph Smith are not given credence by the Catholic Church, nor is the Book of Mormon received as Divine Revelation. The fact that the Mormons dare place it alongside the Bible is viewed as blasphemy. For the Mormon Church to be true, it must be assumed that God's Church on earth, instituted by Jesus Christ, somehow failed and that revelation was not completed with the death of the last apostle but instead was withheld until God saw it fit to reveal it to Joseph Smith centuries upon centuries after Christ had died to inaugurate the New Testament. The Church finds this idea repugnant, for the idea assumes Christ died in vain if His saving grace somehow became lost to the world at any point in history. Mormon ordinances (their version of the sacraments) are not received as valid by the Church, nor does the Church respect the Mormons' authority to preach on Christ or His salvation.

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The Bible teaches to be an example, to let your light shine, to pay tithing, to go into the world and teach and baptise, to love your enemy and to serve others and to give to the poor and to be perfect and says by their fruits you will know his true people. Isn't it ironic that the Mormons seem to be doing a much better job than most of the other so called "legitimate or real Christians". Sounds to me like that gentleman needs to remove the beam from his own organizations eye before he points the finger at others. Critics of the Mormons reminds me of what Abe Lincoln said whe he kept hearing so much bad about Grant including accusations he was a drunk. Lincoln said well maybe we need to find out what Grant's drinking and give some of that to my other Generals as well.

phul of it phil:Where was his attitude in 2008.When the right was all in a tizzy over rumors that Obama might be a secret muslim.Are you saying muslims are not good people,who don't love their god.And what about the swearing in ceremony if god forbids he wins.Will he place his hand on the holy bible to take the oath of office,or will he refuse to do it and place his hand on the book of mormon.Thus becoming the first president to deny Christianity is the main religion in america.After all the right is always saying our founding fathers were god fearing christians?You are a fool who has a bad case of situational morality.

Phul of it phil:You still haven't proven anything that i said was a lie or not true.Telling the truth is not bigotry,but hiding what you religion is really about speaks volumes.Obama quotes the bible a lot,how come mittens never quotes the book of mormon.Especially the part about Satan and Christ being brothers,or that god lives on a star named Kolob?Just wondering.

I see the Skunk Parade has started. This country is in dire economic peril, and the skunks have their tails up to start spraying the opposition. Preserve clown central at all costs, lie, lie, and then lie some more, the feeble minded will believe anything, if they believe "yes we can", they will believe anything.

Roberts listed three elements “that everyone must be clearly aware of when it comes to Mormonism. These elements make it an aberrant expression of the Christian faith.”

Those three elements are helpful in examining the differences between Mormon beliefs and biblical truths.

First, Roberts said,“Mormonism radically redefines and doctrinally reconstructs the Christian faith.”

“There is no major doctrine of the faith, whether it be God, Jesus, salvation or inspiration of the Scriptures that Mormonism has not severely and completely altered and changed from its original intent…”

Second, Roberts claimed Mormonism “radically redefines the Christian worldview.” And, as McKeever told the CP, they like to use “Christian” terms.

“We are talking in a different language. They (Mormons) have become masters at using our language,” McKeever said.

Thirdly, Roberts said,“Mormonism is disingenuous in its approach to proselytization.”

“While claiming to be true to the Christian faith, Mormonism has seriously redesigned and recreated it,” he wrote.“The whole basis of the church is built on the [passage in] Joseph Smith’s religious autobiography. Joseph Smith claimed that God and Jesus commanded him not to join any church because ‘they were all wrong … their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors [members] were all corrupt.’”

Therefore, Roberts asserted,“Mormonism, in fact, has set itself apart from mainstream Christianity.”

Alan Gomes, professor at Talbot School of Theology, agreed. "Mormons, however, do qualify as cults of Christianity because they claim to be Christian – indeed, to be the only true Christian group on earth."

Other key issues where the Bible and Mormonism significantly diverge are their basis of salvation by works, not faith, and the continuing revelation of Scripture and the belief that God was once a man, said Kurt Goedelman, founder of Personal Freedom Outreach, a Christian education organization.

The bottom line lies in Mohler’s concluding post in a 2007 Beliefnet blog debate titled,“Mormonism Is Not Christianity.”

“Mormonism is not just another form of Christianity – it is incompatible with ‘traditional Christian orthodoxy,’” Mohler wrote.

Roberts would agree, writing that “Mormonism is clearly, absolutely, completely, and thoroughly a ‘religious cult.’”

Dr. Richard Land, The Christian Post's executive editor and president of The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, explained in a CNN interview in October that,“When we use the word ‘cult,’ that’s a theological definition of a movement that claims to be within the confines of the Christian faith and clearly is not within the confines of the Christian faith. It is a new religion.”

Land acknowledged that Mormons are “middle-class, moral, respectable people. They are anything but a cult in a cultural and social sense.” But although he does not prefer the word “cult” to describe the LDS Church, it is “theologically accurate” to use that word, he said.

The evangelical leader, however, prefers to describe Mormons, as found in his Oct. 18 editorial in The Christian Post, as “the Fourth Abrahamic religion – the first three being Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. In this formulation Mormonism would be analogous to Islam with Joseph Smith analogous to the prophet Mohammad and the Book of Mormon and analogous to the Koran.”

“Mormonism is a new religion and not a particular branch of the Christian faith,” Land concluded, highlighting that a 2011 LifeWay Research study found that a significant majority of Protestant pastors do not accept Mormonism as Christian.

really wrote:

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The irony of calling someone a bigot because they think mormons are either weird or horrible...is ironic because their religion is by definition bigotrous. Their religion teaches you will have black slaves in heaven.....

BIGOT.
RACIST.

Another contestant steps forward, and scores a perfecta right out of the box!

Keep posting - we know your inner hater and cretin are dying to reveal themselves.

are we really defending mormonism here? What about post death baptisms that they perform? The Mormon church got in deep shit a while ago for having a list of jews that were imperfect because they were jews so they would baptise them after death in order for them to go to the proper heaven. They would baptise what dead they can, and if they can't get the dead bodies they would make a surraget to pose as the dead jew as they baptise their soul, without the dead persons consent?

So shitty founded religion (which isn't saying much) doing shitty things. Their number 1 target is elie wiesel who found out and hes pissed

philisophical Phil wrote:

<quoted text> Downright dispicable and pathetic. What church do you attend? My guess is Westboro Baptist. If this is what your church teaches you then they are just as bad as Westboro. Teddy R you can add liar and evil to your list as well.

Quite right - but I only run the Superfecta betting window.

The "Sex-Fecta" window is two booths down - also labelled "Trolls Served Here." Nobody works that window, of course, as Trolls like our pet Northwoods Ponytailed Hippie are best ignored completely. Eventually they go back to polishing off a couple bottles of T-Bird before lunch and acting out their incoherent arguments with imaginary right-wing demons on their bench in Veteran's Memorial Park on Andrews Street.

Teddy R wrote:

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BIGOT.
RACIST.
Another contestant steps forward, and scores a perfecta right out of the box!
Keep posting - we know your inner hater and cretin are dying to reveal themselves.

Actually i'm not a hater. I believe all jeudeo/christian religions are bad. Christianity is a religion of fear and it shows heavily in our government. Thats why if you look at statistics, the number one readers of the bible are atheists (no i'm not an atheist, i'm a universalist) followed by evangalists, and at the very bottom of the list is southern baptists followed by catholics.

However with mormonism....the religion itself is just.....what? A man says he found golden plates that no one can see, transcribes it out of a top hat with magic stones, can't say it correctly more than one time, teaches jesus died in rome, but made a pittstop to america before he left earth to leave these plates that teach nothing that coorelates with his journey in rochester ny. The teachings of the plates are very specific to things going on at the time of joseph smith finding the plates?

yea overall....you cant really look at that religion and take it totally seriously ....

really wrote:

are we really defending mormonism here?... The Mormon church got in deep shit a while ago for having a list of jews that were imperfect because they were jews so they would baptise them after death in order for them to go to the proper heaven. They would baptise what dead they can, and if they can't get the dead bodies they would make a surraget to pose as the dead jew as they baptise their soul, without the dead persons consent?

Opening up a new thread are we, Cali-Phonia? You seem deeply concerned about religious persecutions of jews now all of a sudden, for some reason.

Since you're brought up the topic, perhaps you and our pet Northwoods Ponytailed Troll would care to share your deeply-held views on the blood libel perpetrated by his fellow Northwoods folk in Massena:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massena_blood_li...

Or, alternatively, you could spare us all any further of your detestable and off-topic bigoted rants on religion ...

I'm going out of state that day. Do I suggest absentee ballet.