Whoopi And Elisabeth Spar Over Jesse's N-Word: Things got heated on 'The View.'

chevelle_ss wrote:

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ok sorry I misread it the 1st time my mistake

annie wrote:

Notice how the definition said of ANY race,so am not so sure about the n word being a corruption of the word negro.

Ms_ Carlotta wrote:

I'm African American and I have a tendency to use the "N" word at times. It really is about how u use the word when ur not a "N". Use it if you must, just be careful of the company u use it in.

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Ms_ Carlotta wrote:

I'm African American and I have a tendency to use the "N" word at times. It really is about how u use the word when ur not a "N". Use it if you must, just be careful of the company u use it in.

zswe wrote:

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That sounds like a threat. What are you gonna do? start a riot? that does sound like the Websters definition!

pamiety wrote:

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Again it was a 'white man's institution in the United States. Yes their were 'indentured servants' which is different then 'slaves'. Indentured servants children were not slaves and they did not begat more indentured servants. How long did this last?(hmm...not centuries).
Yes there were black slave owners however they still did not have the same rights as a white man. You continually try to justify what has happen to the black race in the US with the same half truths. Your argument is so childish. This is how your argument sounds 'so we did it but so did XYZ. I hope when your child(ren) use that excuse you tell them I don't care, you are not to do it. So that response applies to all people who do or have done wrong. So while you continue to 'look' into the history of blacks(African-Americans) broaden your studies and look at it from two perspectives and not what you want to be.
By the way you talk about black soldiers they also were discriminated by the US gov't. For example blacks during the Civil War were paid less then the white soldiers. The Tuskegee Airmen(air force pilots) who were sent out in front of the white airmen and again the list goes on and on. Stop being bias with your investigations because you are missing the entire picture.

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chevelle_ss wrote:

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wrong obama isn't black he is only 1/2 black. as he likes to say he was embarrassed about being 1/2 white. have you really ever heard what obama has said & then watch how he flip flops like a fish in a boat?

dgshiner wrote:

I have to agree with NOT using the N word periord!
I don't care who uses it should be put in one of those categories with using the word (MF)it is a slang that negroes used but it came from whites who tried to be hurtful with it.
I really think and wish they would put this word down for a minute, I do agree with Whoopi in this sense it is just a word, and it cannot breathe unless you say it! So stop it and find something else to say.

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Chevelle, I have long heard about the identity conflicts many bi-racial children of Sen. Obama's age experienced. They were not accepted among the whites, who considered them black, therefore, they were raised as black BUT, at times, the blacks made them feel alienated for being half-white so, they became embarassed about it. I don't believe his feelings were due to some 'big bad white man' attitude. Try to understand that growing up he may have fought many battles, his identity being one of them. He also had to deal with being abandoned by his father, then, somewhat, his mother, which is why his maternal grandparents (whites) raised him. I don't believe he didn't appreciate their sacrifice--to raise a child when they thought their child rearing years were over and, yes, a black child.
You know, Chevelle, your first post to me was factual in historical recollection but, you misunderstood what I stated. I could have responded to you with harsh words, anger, and a closed mind. But, that's not my way of handling communication hiccups. I calmly confirmed my statement, you apologized, and I forgave you. On this issue, can you show the same understanding to Sen. Obama?

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Ichibanjohn wrote:

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It did not come from whites trying to be hurtful with it. Check history.

annie wrote:

Wow that is sad.No am not being sarcastic.That is truly sad.I think there are racists in every single race.

THINK ABOUT THIS wrote:

In response to Allen.
First of all, I am NOT blaming anyone. Do you know why, Allen? Because I don't believe in giving that much of my power away to anyone. I wholeheartedly agreed with Sen. Obama and Bill Cosby telling blacks to take more responsibility for their own lives. It is a philosophy to which I have subscribed for the past 30 years which is why I have voted REPUBLICAN since I was 19! I have never bought into the pity party Jesse Jackson has preached!
Your inability to balance historical facts is why my statement about slavery makes no sense to you. Because some Blacks were slave owners and were confederate soldiers does not mean it was normal. Most blacks were slaves, and your wanting to wish it away doesn't change that. I know about slavery later becoming about race, I know about some of the Roman gladiators being slaves, I know about the enslavement of many people by many different nations over a period of time. In the miniseries,'Roots', one of Kunta Kinte's captors was black. I stated it was a white man's institution because although these black slave owners existed, it was still a privilege afforded mainly to whites. Just as the black confederate soldiers were not allowed to possess firearms, as did the white confederate soldiers, until near the end of the civil war. Jefferson Davis did not trust the black soldiers with weapons.
I also know about Greenwood, OK. A 1920's small town of black business people who were so educated, well behaved, and intelligent that aristocratic New Englanders nicknamed them "The Black Wall Street". My own grandfather owned a farm and general store in Texas in 1905! He was successful because of determination but that doesn't mean obstacles did not exist for him and others. He had has been a beacon of light to my cousins and myself and we are successful today because of his example.
So, because I have always wanted to know as much as possible, I doubt there is much you can tell me. I was disappointed to have missed the documentary "Prince Among Slaves" and I have been watching for an encore presentation.
My being black or not has nothing to do with whether I should/would protest half-truths. However, I have done what I could to educate the people I know with hopes they'll tell a few, then those will tell a few more, and so on. Also, some of those whites you have defended, are also some of my ancestors.

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pamiety wrote:

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Again it was a 'white man's institution in the United States. Yes their were 'indentured servants' which is different then 'slaves'. Indentured servants children were not slaves and they did not begat more indentured servants. How long did this last?(hmm...not centuries).
Yes there were black slave owners however they still did not have the same rights as a white man. You continually try to justify what has happen to the black race in the US with the same half truths. Your argument is so childish. This is how your argument sounds 'so we did it but so did XYZ. I hope when your child(ren) use that excuse you tell them I don't care, you are not to do it. So that response applies to all people who do or have done wrong. So while you continue to 'look' into the history of blacks(African-Americans) broaden your studies and look at it from two perspectives and not what you want to be.
By the way you talk about black soldiers they also were discriminated by the US gov't. For example blacks during the Civil War were paid less then the white soldiers. The Tuskegee Airmen(air force pilots) who were sent out in front of the white airmen and again the list goes on and on. Stop being bias with your investigations because you are missing the entire picture.