Has fatherlessness been detrimental to the black community?

More so than racism itself. It seems like fatherlessness has gotten us in the predicament we are in today. Blacks are very much over mothered and under fathered and it shows. Black men don't have any fathers to show them how to be a man so they look up to these genocidal rappers. The lack of fathers in black women's lives have caused her to think a thug constitutes a real man and to feel she don't need no man to help her raise children. In some black communities (middle classed included) marriage is almost a forgotten institution so many blacks don't have that institution of marriage to learn from.

YEP

Do you think it's been more damaging than racism post civil rights days?

Fatherless has taken it's toll on the black community, sure. But all that talk about "black men want to become thugs" and "black women want to get with thugs" because of fatherless is understandable till you turn about 17, maybe even 18. But at some point, assuming you don't have illegitimate kids by then, a person needs to decide what they want to do with their life and where they want to go.

It's one thing if you don't have opportunities to do positive. It's another thing to know you can do better and use fatherlessness as a way to remain a victim. I've met black men and women who didn't have a father at home but because they had the opportunity to do better and took it, they are doing better.

So while fatherlessness is most definitely a problem, what makes it detrimental are those people who, instead of getting help to sort themselves out, decide to use fatherlessness as a reason to engage in self destructive behaviour.

Amen! Don't just shoot and leave!

King Spade, I am in complete agreement. Victim Mentality is the root of the majority of ills, for all people. Once you stop being reactive in your thoughts and actions, and start being proactive by choosing how you will act and taking control of yourself, and letting go of the negativity that has been injected into your consciousness. There is always another way to see the world, and therefore accentuate the good things about it, one must just "choose" to see it that way and make the adjustments to be able to.

Stop being victims!!! It is a waste of your prescious time on this earth. Pass on good things! Be a leader, uplift your children in the ways that will make their lives better!
Why is this such a radical concept?

Amusing.
Why do we continue to generate these ‘its your fault’ threads? Does this back and forth not get tiring? Let’s say, like a lawyer, you convince everybody that it is the 'others' fault, NOW WHAT?
This is what I have noticed about the state of SOME Black people.

Some wanted to have their own kids as soon as they can. It gives them the opportunity to receive unconditional love from the child and create their version of a family utopia.

Some did fall for the game. Some women thought they would get love from some man. Some women used it to get a free ride in life and vise versa. Some men use it to trap the woman to him and vise versa. Some men use it to control her and vise versa. Whatever the reason is, it was to get over on the other person.

Some people really do not believe in birth control. Some really believe in the ‘be fruitful and multiply’ and God will provide the rest.

Can someone provide solutions instead of recycling Black Men are thugs and Black Women are hoes?

Michele wrote:

Can someone provide solutions instead of recycling Black Men are thugs and Black Women are hoes?

Education
Education
Education
Did I say Education?

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-19...

" THE SOURCE: "Moynihan Redux: Legacies and Lessons" by Douglas S. Massey and Robert J. Sampson, in The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Jan. 2009.

THE LATE DANIEL PATRICK Moynihan strode through public life as a supremely influential sociologist, professor, ambassador, senator, and adviser to four presidents, but as an author he experienced a uniquely dark hour. It occurred not because he wrote badly, but too well. Buried in the subcabinet depths of the Labor Department and vying for President Lyndon B. Johnson's attention in 1965, Moynihan summoned his most vivid prose to build a case for a public-works program to create jobs for all able-bodied black men.

Moynihan argued that the Civil Rights Act, passed a year earlier, was insufficient to overcome the black poverty that was the legacy of the "most awful" slavery the world had ever known. This inheritance had produced a "crisis" rooted in the "Negro American" family, a "tangle of pathology" characterized by illegitimate births and fatherless households. "The very essence of the male animal, from the bantam rooster to the four-star general, is to strut," wrote Mohnihan. In a society that "measures a man by the size of his paycheck," black men were deprived of jobs and their manliness.

When these and other passages of the so-called Moynihan Report were leaked to the press, the message was wrenched out of content and boiled down to a few sensational words: "humiliated" black males and family "pathology" caused by female-headed households. Moynihan was "pilloried not only as a racist, but a sexist to boot; sociologists Douglas S. Massey of Princeton and Robert J. Sampson of Harvard write in their introduction to 12 scholarly articles in The Annals on the legacy of the report "

Running out on children is the way that the Black man has destroyed the Black community.

Kennyinbmore wrote:

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Education
Education
Education
Did I say Education?

So we supposed to act white?

Latrice wrote:

More so than racism itself. It seems like fatherlessness has gotten us in the predicament we are in today. Blacks are very much over mothered and under fathered and it shows. Black men don't have any fathers to show them how to be a man so they look up to these genocidal rappers. The lack of fathers in black women's lives have caused her to think a thug constitutes a real man and to feel she don't need no man to help her raise children. In some black communities (middle classed included) marriage is almost a forgotten institution so many blacks don't have that institution of marriage to learn from.

Yes, fatherlessness has been detrimental to the Black community.

Fatherlessness can/does cause many problems in the Black community.

Yes, in a small sense, but black women along with those feminists cannot complain this.They were the ones who said that children don't need fathers, but only their mothers and we can see how that experiment failed and resulted in the destruction of the black community.I can see the importance of having black fathers around in the black community as it gives us black men a sense of direction and guidance on how to be a real man with our fathers around to raise us right.I know that the system was originally at fault for the cause of deadbeat absentee fathers in the black community, but now that things have changed over time, it's impossible for black men to run away from their responsibility on father hood.

In all actuality, single mother hood has been detrimental to the black community, since these single black mothers are doing an irresponsibly half ass job at parenting their kids by not devoting enough time, money, and resources into their children lives.It's no wonder why our black children grow up to child molesters,women beaters, gang members, and prostitutes since these mothers don't give their children alot of love, attention and affection that they need from their mothers or didn't properly raise their sons to treat women with the utmost respect.This is why we are in dire need of marriage back in the black community, to produce stable nuclear families like we used to have before the Feminist movement took place.

Some facts about Black men you should all know about.

In a recent study of HIV-infected people, 34% of African American men who have sex with men (MSM), 26% of Hispanic MSM, and 13% of white MSM reported having had sex with women.

The rate of AIDS diagnoses for African American men was 8 times the rate for white men.

HIV/AIDS in 2005

* According to the 2000 census, blacks make up approximately 13% of the US population. However, in 2005, blacks accounted for 18,121 (49%) of the estimated 37,331 new HIV/AIDS diagnoses in the United States in the 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting [2].

* Of all black men living with HIV/AIDS, the primary transmission category was sexual contact with other men, followed by injection drug use and high-risk heterosexual contact [2].

* Of all black women living with HIV/AIDS, the primary transmission category was high-risk heterosexual contact, followed by injection drug use

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa/resources/fa ...

........MUST READ FOR AA WOMEN....YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.......

Statistics:

Source: The Institute on Domestic Violence in the African American Community (IDVAAC)

http://www.dvinstitute.org/media/publications ...

• In a nationally representative survey conducted in 1996, 29% of African American women and 12% of African American men reported at least one
instance of violence from an intimate partner.1

• African Americans account for a sproportionate number of intimate partner homicides. In 2005, African Americans accounted for almost 1/3
of the intimate partner homicides in this country.2

• Black women comprise 8% of the U.S. population but in 2005 accounted for 22% of the intimate partner homicide victims and 29% of all female
victims of intimate partner homicide.2

• Intimate partner homicides among African Americans have declined sharply in the last 30 years. Partner homicides involving a black man or a black woman decreased from a high of 1529 in 1976 to 475 in 2005, for a total decline of 69%.2

• Intimate partner deaths have decreased most dramatically among black men. From 1976-1985, black men were more likely than black women to be a victim of domestic homicide; by 2005, black women were 2.4 times more likely than a black male to murdered by their partners. Over this period, intimate partner homicides declined by 83% for black men vs. 55% for black women.

• As with other abusive men, African American men who batter are higher in jealousy and the need for power and control in the relationship.5

• As with women of other races, among African American women killed by their partner, the lethal violence was more likely to occur if there had been incidents in which the partner had used or threatened to use a weapon on her and/or the partner has tried to choke or strangle her.5

• Among African American women killed by their partner, almost half were killed while in the process of leaving the relationship, highlighting the need to take extra precautions at that time.5
• Among African American women who killed their partner, almost 80% had a history of abuse.5

HILARIOUSLY ENTERTAINING wrote:

King Spade, I am in complete agreement. Victim Mentality is the root of the majority of ills, for all people. Once you stop being reactive in your thoughts and actions, and start being proactive by choosing how you will act and taking control of yourself, and letting go of the negativity that has been injected into your consciousness. There is always another way to see the world, and therefore accentuate the good things about it, one must just "choose" to see it that way and make the adjustments to be able to.
Stop being victims!!! It is a waste of your prescious time on this earth. Pass on good things! Be a leader, uplift your children in the ways that will make their lives better!
Why is this such a radical concept?

Exactly. I mean, as a young man, I'm well aware of the need of a strong father figure in a young boy's life. Boys are socialized to be dominant and tough and when you don't have a father figure there to show you the positive way to be dominant and tough, you can easily led astray by negative male figures. So I hear that.

But at some point in life, every individual needs to look around and say "Is the way I live my life right now constructive ? Do I want my children to live like this ? Do I want my family to suffer like I suffered ?" We all have this one life to live so we might as well do right for ourselves and the people we can do right by.

Fatherlessness alone, as bad as it is, does not mean someone is destined to fail.

Das bull sh!t, I aint neer had no daddy and it aint no thing. My momma raise me and fo others and im gonna do da same. MEN ARE LIKE A FISHES BICYCLE SAID COSMO!

Nerdtician wrote:

Yes, in a small sense, but black women along with those feminists cannot complain this.They were the ones who said that children don't need fathers, but only their mothers and we can see how that experiment failed and resulted in the destruction of the black community.I can see the importance of having black fathers around in the black community as it gives us black men a sense of direction and guidance on how to be a real man with our fathers around to raise us right.I know that the system was originally at fault for the cause of deadbeat absentee fathers in the black community, but now that things have changed over time, it's impossible for black men to run away from their responsibility on father hood.
In all actuality, single mother hood has been detrimental to the black community, since these single black mothers are doing an irresponsibly half ass job at parenting their kids by not devoting enough time, money, and resources into their children lives.It's no wonder why our black children grow up to child molesters,women beaters, gang members, and prostitutes since these mothers don't give their children alot of love, attention and affection that they need from their mothers or didn't properly raise their sons to treat women with the utmost respect.This is why we are in dire need of marriage back in the black community, to produce stable nuclear families like we used to have before the Feminist movement took place.

Were ALL Black women in the feminist movement and/or were ALL Black women a feminist??

You say that Black women are doing a bad job raising children?? Well, at least Black women are there to try to put food into the mouth(s) of their child(ren). Where are the damn daddies at?? They're probably knockin' up some other female somewhere.

who my daddy?

Latrice wrote:

More so than racism itself. It seems like fatherlessness has gotten us in the predicament we are in today. Blacks are very much over mothered and under fathered and it shows. Black men don't have any fathers to show them how to be a man so they look up to these genocidal rappers. The lack of fathers in black women's lives have caused her to think a thug constitutes a real man and to feel she don't need no man to help her raise children. In some black communities (middle classed included) marriage is almost a forgotten institution so many blacks don't have that institution of marriage to learn from.

People just need to learn to stand up for themselves.
I make decisions everyday.
They need to stop making excuses.

1st decision, reject a man's request to have a one night stand, then you won't end up with a bastard child.